Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Dear Tim, Krishnamurti seems to say that if a person's conditioning is removed or transcended, then the person can think freely. This seems naive and silly to me. If you took away a person's conditioning -- his or her education, his upbringing, everything he learned in life -- he couldn't think at all. He would have no ideas or knowledge or neural pathways to think with. He would have the intelligence of a fetus. The solution is not to try to eliminate conditioning and think freely at the same time. This is impossible. The point is to stop thinking, because in so doing, we stop responding automatically and emotionally to things. Love, Laura you take away a person's conditioning -- his education, his upbringing, everything he learned in life -- - Tim Gerchmez <core <Nondual-Moment > Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:44 AM [Nondual-Moment] Victor/Re: On Conditioning... > Tim Gerchmez <core > > > Dear Victor, > > At 07:36 AM 2/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Victor Torrico <vtorrico > > >A couple of questions come to mind: > > > >Is " conditioning " per se a problem and why? > > According to some ( " gurus " ) it is, because the conditioning of the mind > since birth means that thought becomes overactive and troublesome, and that > there is nothing original in the mind... it was all given by others. So to > de-condition is to basically start over as an authentic individual, not > someone whose mind was created by society. > > >To what or whom is " conditioning " happening? > > To the mind. The " I " or " small self " is part of the conditioning according > to the gurus who to the " conditioning theory. " > > >How does one get conditioned and can it be avoided? > > One gets conditioned (normally) by every experience that happens and > especially by " mental knowledge. " This conditioning is stored in memory, > and supposedly makes an individual inauthentic and produces carbon copies > of society. > > Supposedly, it can be avoided by simply (deeply) understanding the process > by which it operates, and can even be " erased " in this way. > > I refer you to this page: > > http://www.kfa.org/poona58.html > > (note, this site requires some tolerance and some careful reading, as J. > Krishnamurti can seem rather obtuse and snobbish in the way he talks). > > >Is it necessary to somehow remove conditioning and how is > >this accomplished? > > According to J. Krishnamurti, removing conditioning involves " seeing the > totality of that conditioning without thought " (his words). He includes > not only conditioning in this lifetime, but the conditioning caused by > centuries of civilization. Some gurus feel that it's necessary to remove > conditioning, some don't. > > With Love, > > Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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