Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 >> > As long as you rest in your innate awareness, this >> > self-arising and self liberating quality of thought is unbroken and >> > continuous - like a design drawn on water. >> > > > ------------------ snip ----------------------- > > Dear Joyce, > > This would seem to be the crux of the matter -- how does > one actually develops the capacity to rest in their innate > awareness? All else would seem to follow from this > capacity. The problem is that it is so obvious and easy, we tend to look for grand states that we expect to happen in some kind of future. But ask " Who Am I " and attend carefully to what happens next. Or " Who is sitting at the computer " .....letting body/mind really RELAX - and watch. Or give a good shout of PHAT like the text suggests. Theres the bright empty awareness isnt there? then immediately a thought or perception of something or other will pop in - perhaps a feeling - and at that moment you RECOGNIZE that arising, no matter and not separate to it, what it is to actually be of the same nature as your bright empty awareness. And you practice this. One of the points of the text says that you do have to decide and have confidence. But hey presto - freed from the habit of duality, splitting up subjects and objects, events and someone they are happening to or is doing them. After awhile mind spends most of its time relaxed and not obsessing over anything, spacious as the sky and it becomes easier to watch arisings as a display of awarenss. No struggle over anything at all because there is NOTHING which is not just a glorious display of awareness of our essential being. In the basic ground of our every day awareness - thoughts arise and dissolve, thinking mind arises, or happy mind arises, or angry mind arises, or mind creating subject and object arises. With each arising there is " birth " and with each dissolution there is " death " and a return into presence of awareness that knows no birth or death. But the important point is the RECOGNITION that these arising are a display of awareness. Even when the habit of separate self arises this too - a display - hearing, seeing, thinking, feeling all a display of the Great Perfection. EMAHO! The Tibetans say that its just a matter of getting used to it. A good friend tells me - " all ya gotta do is maintain the view. " J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Hi again - my message that I tried to post to all was returned so i sent to your email - if i cant post to all perhaps you could just forward along? ---------- >Victor Torrico <vtorrico >Realization , Nondual-Moment > Joyce/Re: Trekcho >Thu, Feb 10, 2000, 11:43 > > Victor Torrico <vtorrico > > Quoting Joyce Short <insight: >> " Joyce Short " <insight >> >> >> > >> > Dear Joyce, >> > >> > I am sincerely interested in Dzogchen. It would be so kind >> > of you to continue with your post. >> > >> > Victor >> >> Okey doke - Im going to send you the Root Text and then proceed bit by bit >> with the teaching on it as I have it from Khenpo Sonam Rinpoche. You need >> to follow the text as you follow the elaborated teaching on it. It is >> offered to all serious practioners (heart disciples) with the motivation >> that all sentient beings being free and happy. So - after you recive this >> and want to continue let me know. You can also find this in a good book >> called The Golden Letters by John Reynolds. >> >> The Three Words that Strike the Vital Point (Tsiksum Nedek) >> >> An oral commentary on Patrul Rinpoche's Root Text >> >> THE ROOT TEXT >> >> Homage to the guru. >> The view is Longchen Rabjam (Inifnite Great Expanse) >> The meditation is Khyentse Oser (light rays of Knowledge and Love) >> The action is Gyalwai Nyugu (Son of the Victorious Ones) >> For the one who practices in this way, >> There is no doubt about enlightenment in one lifetime. >> But even if not, there is still happiness - a la la. >> >> The view, Longchen Rabjam, is as follows: >> To hit the vital point with the three lines, >> First, let your mind rest loosely. >> Without projecting, without concentrating - without thoughts. >> While relaxed and remaining evenly in that state >> Suddenly exclaim a mind shattering PHAT! >> Forceful, short and sharp - emaho! >> Nothing whatsoever - totally blank. >> A blankness which is utterly open. >> A total openness which is indescribable. >> Recognize this as the dharmakaya awareness. >> TO RECOGNIZE YOUR NATURE; THAT IS THE FIRST VITAL POINT. >> >> After this, whether you are thinking or still, >> Whether you are angry, or attached, happy or sad, >> At all time and on all occasions >> Acknowledge the recognized dharmakaya (this is our basic awareness) >> And let the child luminosity unite with the already known mother. >> Rest in the state of inexpressible awareness. >> Destroy again and again stillness, bliss, clarity and thinking. >> Let the syllable of knowledge and means suddenly strike down. >> No difference between meditation and post meditation. >> No division between sessions and breaks. >> Rest continuously in the undivided state. >> However, as long as you have not attained stability, >> It is essential to give up distractions. >> Divide your meditation into sessions. >> At all times and in all situations >> Maintain the single continuity of dharmakaya ( basic presence of awareness) >> Resolve that there is nothing other than this. >> TO DECIDE ON ONE THING; THAT IS THE SECOND VITAL POINT. >> >> At this time, your likes and dislikes, joys and sorrows >> And all your passing thoughts without exception >> Leave no trace in the state of recognition. >> By recognizing dharmakaya (basic awareness) in what is liberated, >> As in the analogy of drawing on water, >> There is unceasing self-occurring self-liberation. >> Whatever occurs is fresh food for the empty awareness. >> Whatever is thought is an expression of the dharmakaya king. >> Traceless and naturally free - a la la. >> The way thoughts occur is the same as before, >> But the way they are freed is the most essential key pojnt. >> Without this, meditation is but the path of confision. >> Possessing it is the uncultivated state of dharmakaya (awareness) >> TO GAIN CONFIDENCE IN LIBERATION; THAT IS THE THIRD VITAL POINT. >> >> This view endowed with three vital points >> And the meditation of combined knowledge and compassion, >> Is aided by the general actions of the sons of the victorious ones. >> Even if the victorious ones of the three times were to confer together, >> They would have no oral instruction superior to this. >> >> The dharmakaya treasure revealer of awareness-display >> Discovered this as a tresasure from the expanse of knowledge. >> It is unlike extracts of earth and stone. >> It is the testament of garab Dorje. >> It is the heart of the three lineages. >> It is entrusted with secrecy to heart disciples. >> It is the profound meaning and words from the heart. >> It is words from the heart, the essential meaning. >> Do not let the essential meaning fade away. >> Do not let the instruction dissipate. >> >> This was the special teaching of Khepa Shri Gyalpo >> Translation by Tulku Thondrop and Tulku Pema Wangyal >> > > Dear Joyce, > > Please continue. I am trying to learn what's what in > non-duality and I feel that others are also sincerely > interested. Your posting of the complete series regarding > Trekcho will be very helpful. > > Victor > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve! Apply now! 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Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Quoting Joyce Short <insight: > " Joyce Short " <insight > > > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > I am sincerely interested in Dzogchen. It would be so kind > > of you to continue with your post. > > > > Victor > > Okey doke - Im going to send you the Root Text and then proceed bit by bit > with the teaching on it as I have it from Khenpo Sonam Rinpoche. You need > to follow the text as you follow the elaborated teaching on it. It is > offered to all serious practioners (heart disciples) with the motivation > that all sentient beings being free and happy. So - after you recive this > and want to continue let me know. You can also find this in a good book > called The Golden Letters by John Reynolds. > > The Three Words that Strike the Vital Point (Tsiksum Nedek) > > An oral commentary on Patrul Rinpoche's Root Text > > THE ROOT TEXT > > Homage to the guru. > The view is Longchen Rabjam (Inifnite Great Expanse) > The meditation is Khyentse Oser (light rays of Knowledge and Love) > The action is Gyalwai Nyugu (Son of the Victorious Ones) > For the one who practices in this way, > There is no doubt about enlightenment in one lifetime. > But even if not, there is still happiness - a la la. > > The view, Longchen Rabjam, is as follows: > To hit the vital point with the three lines, > First, let your mind rest loosely. > Without projecting, without concentrating - without thoughts. > While relaxed and remaining evenly in that state > Suddenly exclaim a mind shattering PHAT! > Forceful, short and sharp - emaho! > Nothing whatsoever - totally blank. > A blankness which is utterly open. > A total openness which is indescribable. > Recognize this as the dharmakaya awareness. > TO RECOGNIZE YOUR NATURE; THAT IS THE FIRST VITAL POINT. > > After this, whether you are thinking or still, > Whether you are angry, or attached, happy or sad, > At all time and on all occasions > Acknowledge the recognized dharmakaya (this is our basic awareness) > And let the child luminosity unite with the already known mother. > Rest in the state of inexpressible awareness. > Destroy again and again stillness, bliss, clarity and thinking. > Let the syllable of knowledge and means suddenly strike down. > No difference between meditation and post meditation. > No division between sessions and breaks. > Rest continuously in the undivided state. > However, as long as you have not attained stability, > It is essential to give up distractions. > Divide your meditation into sessions. > At all times and in all situations > Maintain the single continuity of dharmakaya ( basic presence of awareness) > Resolve that there is nothing other than this. > TO DECIDE ON ONE THING; THAT IS THE SECOND VITAL POINT. > > At this time, your likes and dislikes, joys and sorrows > And all your passing thoughts without exception > Leave no trace in the state of recognition. > By recognizing dharmakaya (basic awareness) in what is liberated, > As in the analogy of drawing on water, > There is unceasing self-occurring self-liberation. > Whatever occurs is fresh food for the empty awareness. > Whatever is thought is an expression of the dharmakaya king. > Traceless and naturally free - a la la. > The way thoughts occur is the same as before, > But the way they are freed is the most essential key pojnt. > Without this, meditation is but the path of confision. > Possessing it is the uncultivated state of dharmakaya (awareness) > TO GAIN CONFIDENCE IN LIBERATION; THAT IS THE THIRD VITAL POINT. > > This view endowed with three vital points > And the meditation of combined knowledge and compassion, > Is aided by the general actions of the sons of the victorious ones. > Even if the victorious ones of the three times were to confer together, > They would have no oral instruction superior to this. > > The dharmakaya treasure revealer of awareness-display > Discovered this as a tresasure from the expanse of knowledge. > It is unlike extracts of earth and stone. > It is the testament of garab Dorje. > It is the heart of the three lineages. > It is entrusted with secrecy to heart disciples. > It is the profound meaning and words from the heart. > It is words from the heart, the essential meaning. > Do not let the essential meaning fade away. > Do not let the instruction dissipate. > > This was the special teaching of Khepa Shri Gyalpo > Translation by Tulku Thondrop and Tulku Pema Wangyal > Dear Joyce, Please continue. I am trying to learn what's what in non-duality and I feel that others are also sincerely interested. Your posting of the complete series regarding Trekcho will be very helpful. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Hi Joyce, This is great. Can we turn this into an article for the website? Love, Laura - Joyce Short <insight <Realization > Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:33 AM Re: Joyce/Re: Trekcho > " Joyce Short " <insight > > > > >> > As long as you rest in your innate awareness, this > >> > self-arising and self liberating quality of thought is unbroken and > >> > continuous - like a design drawn on water. > >> > > > > > ------------------ snip ----------------------- > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > This would seem to be the crux of the matter -- how does > > one actually develops the capacity to rest in their innate > > awareness? All else would seem to follow from this > > capacity. > > The problem is that it is so obvious and easy, we tend to look for grand > states that we expect to happen in some kind of future. But ask " Who Am I " > and attend carefully to what happens next. Or " Who is sitting at the > computer " .....letting body/mind really RELAX - and watch. Or give a good > shout of PHAT like the text suggests. Theres the bright empty awareness isnt > there? then immediately a thought or perception of something or other will > pop in - perhaps a feeling - and at that moment you RECOGNIZE that arising, > no matter and not separate to it, what it is to actually be of the same > nature as your bright empty awareness. And you practice this. One of the > points of the text says that you do have to decide and have confidence. But > hey presto - freed from the habit of duality, splitting up subjects and > objects, events and someone they are happening to or is doing them. After > awhile mind spends most of its time relaxed and not obsessing over anything, > spacious as the sky and it becomes easier to watch arisings as a display of > awarenss. No struggle over anything at all because there is NOTHING which > is not just a glorious display of awareness of our essential being. In the > basic ground of our every day awareness - thoughts arise and dissolve, > thinking mind arises, or happy mind arises, or angry mind arises, or mind > creating subject and object arises. With each arising there is " birth " and > with each dissolution there is " death " and a return into presence of > awareness that knows no birth or death. But the important point is the > RECOGNITION that these arising are a display of awareness. Even when the > habit of separate self arises this too - a display - hearing, seeing, > thinking, feeling all a display of the Great Perfection. EMAHO! > > The Tibetans say that its just a matter of getting used to it. A good > friend tells me - " all ya gotta do is maintain the view. " > > J > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative5CL " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Sorry to be so thick but Im not sure what you mean by " this " and how you'd turn it into an article. Im always more comfortable with things that just happen - whats below is all there is until the spirit moves again. But thanks for enjoying. Ive been posting via Victor as Im not great with this computer - its an iMac and I bought it because it was pretty. I note people are on about a new chat page or java or something - havent a clue what yer all on about - so whatever gets posted from me is a demonstration of the miraculous. Joyce ---------- > " Laura Olshansky " <editor ><Realization > >Re: Joyce/Re: Trekcho >Fri, Feb 11, 2000, 06:30 > > " Laura Olshansky " <editor > > Hi Joyce, > > This is great. Can we turn this into an article for the > website? > > Love, > > Laura > > > - > Joyce Short <insight > <Realization > > Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:33 AM > Re: Joyce/Re: Trekcho > > >> " Joyce Short " <insight >> >> >> >> >> > As long as you rest in your innate awareness, this >> >> > self-arising and self liberating quality of thought is unbroken and >> >> > continuous - like a design drawn on water. >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------ snip ----------------------- >> > >> > Dear Joyce, >> > >> > This would seem to be the crux of the matter -- how does >> > one actually develops the capacity to rest in their innate >> > awareness? All else would seem to follow from this >> > capacity. >> >> The problem is that it is so obvious and easy, we tend to look for grand >> states that we expect to happen in some kind of future. But ask " Who Am I " >> and attend carefully to what happens next. Or " Who is sitting at the >> computer " .....letting body/mind really RELAX - and watch. Or give a good >> shout of PHAT like the text suggests. Theres the bright empty awareness isnt >> there? then immediately a thought or perception of something or other will >> pop in - perhaps a feeling - and at that moment you RECOGNIZE that arising, >> no matter and not separate to it, what it is to actually be of the same >> nature as your bright empty awareness. And you practice this. One of the >> points of the text says that you do have to decide and have confidence. But >> hey presto - freed from the habit of duality, splitting up subjects and >> objects, events and someone they are happening to or is doing them. After >> awhile mind spends most of its time relaxed and not obsessing over anything, >> spacious as the sky and it becomes easier to watch arisings as a display of >> awarenss. No struggle over anything at all because there is NOTHING which >> is not just a glorious display of awareness of our essential being. In the >> basic ground of our every day awareness - thoughts arise and dissolve, >> thinking mind arises, or happy mind arises, or angry mind arises, or mind >> creating subject and object arises. With each arising there is " birth " and >> with each dissolution there is " death " and a return into presence of >> awareness that knows no birth or death. But the important point is the >> RECOGNITION that these arising are a display of awareness. Even when the >> habit of separate self arises this too - a display - hearing, seeing, >> thinking, feeling all a display of the Great Perfection. EMAHO! >> >> The Tibetans say that its just a matter of getting used to it. A good >> friend tells me - " all ya gotta do is maintain the view. " >> >> J >> > >> >> --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- >> >> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent >> Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. >> <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative5CL " >Click Here</a> >> >> ------ >> >> ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... >> >> Email addresses: >> Post message: Realization >> Un: Realization- >> Our web address: http://www.realization.org >> >> By sending a message to this list, you are giving >> permission to have it reproduced as a letter on >> http://www.realization.org >> ................................................ >> > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative5CL " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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