Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 2-10-00 James Bean spiritualawakening Am forwarding on to you a post and reply on encountering the Mystic Sound during meditation. ____________________ Dear John: Many of the sacred world music instruments were originally designed to imitate the inner Sounds of the Spirit: the sitar, Tibetan bells, bowls, and gongs, for instance. Various forms of chant do this also. The goal of the mystics is to eventually get us to progress beyond all outer sounds, connecting us to the inner Sound Current (Nada, Shabda, Logos) that comes from beyond the silence. Wow! Very good. The astral Bell is often the first inner Sound that people hear during inner Sound-meditation practice. Your centering prayer meditation sit became surat shabda yoga: meditation upon the inner Sound Current. In Sant Mat, the path that teaches Sound meditation, when you hear the inner Sound Current, this becomes your mantra, and you can at that point, for the rest of the meditation sit, leave of the repetition of a sacred name. The Sound Current (Holy Spirit) is viewed by the Masters and mystics as being the True Name, Cosmic or unpronounceable Name of God, the Y-H-V-H and Ein Sof of the Jewish tradition, the Logos or Word of the Gnostics and other mystic-Christians, the Saunt-i Sarmand of the Sufis, the " Name that's above every other Name " that Saint Paul talked about, and the Naam of the Sikhs. One of the Masters said, " Listen to the Sound that issues forth from the Light. It is this internal Music which will numb the body and allow the consciousness to leave its ordinary dwelling. By riding this Current of Light and Sound, like a fish going upstream, the soul will be able to go back to its original Home. " For guidance on this approach to contemplative meditation, there's a great book called " Empowering Your Soul Through Meditation, " by Rajinder Singh, Element Books. His other book, which also has teachings on inner Sound meditation practice, is " Inner And Outer Peace Through Meditation, " also Element Books. Naam Bhakti & Naamaste,' James > >Message: 6 > Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:33:53 PST > " John Bickham " <swamiyo >Re: Sound Mysticism in Christianity/Experiences > > >Just so happens I experienced one today during Centering Prayer. I really >don't use a sacred word so much now and often go right into silence. >Today, >around 6:30am I was in Centering Prayer with some other folks and when I >came out of silence my head was a " singing bowl " . You know, those bowls >from Japan and Nepal that sing. My head was this singing bowl and my mind >was the singing bowl resonating and then it took me back to silence. It >was >a full sound with vibrations. I guess you could say it became my sacred >word/sound. I'm still resonating with. It was/is " awe " some. > >Namaste, SwamiYo >____ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >_____________________ ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 I think being the multi dimensional beings that we are--and so diverse in thought and feelings--there is nothing " ridiculous " about the way a mantra would come from our lips and through our heart center. Wayne Dyer put a CD out years ago about Manifestation and the many attributes of sacred sound. It was my first introduction to the scared sounds and vibration. Can there be any right or wrong in mantra? Cosmic blessings everyone. Soulspecks <Dianna> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Thanks for this post, James. I'm going to print it as a letter to the editor. I'm going to assume you want your email address included. If you don't, let me know, and I'll take it off right away. Cheers, Laura - james bean <spiritualawakening <agochar Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:45 PM Sound Mysticism-experiences > " james bean " <spiritualawakening > > 2-10-00 > > James Bean spiritualawakening > > > Am forwarding on to you a post and reply on encountering the Mystic > Sound during meditation. > ____________________ > > Dear John: > > Many of the sacred world music instruments were originally designed > to imitate the inner Sounds of the Spirit: the sitar, Tibetan bells, bowls, > and gongs, for instance. Various forms of chant do this also. The goal of > the mystics is to eventually get us to progress beyond all outer sounds, > connecting us to the inner Sound Current (Nada, Shabda, Logos) that comes > from beyond the silence. > > Wow! Very good. The astral Bell is often the first inner Sound that > people hear during inner Sound-meditation practice. Your centering prayer > meditation sit became surat shabda yoga: meditation upon the inner Sound > Current. > > In Sant Mat, the path that teaches Sound meditation, when you hear > the inner Sound Current, this becomes your mantra, and you can at that > point, for the rest of the meditation sit, leave of the repetition of a > sacred name. The Sound Current (Holy Spirit) is viewed by the Masters and > mystics as being the True Name, Cosmic or unpronounceable Name of God, the > Y-H-V-H and Ein Sof of the Jewish tradition, the Logos or Word of the > Gnostics and other mystic-Christians, the Saunt-i Sarmand of the Sufis, the > " Name that's above every other Name " that Saint Paul talked about, and the > Naam of the Sikhs. > > One of the Masters said, " Listen to the Sound that issues forth from > the Light. It is this internal Music which will numb the body and allow the > consciousness to leave its ordinary dwelling. By riding this Current of > Light and Sound, like a fish going upstream, the soul will be able to go > back to its original Home. " > > For guidance on this approach to contemplative meditation, there's a > great book called " Empowering Your Soul Through Meditation, " by Rajinder > Singh, Element Books. His other book, which also has teachings on inner > Sound meditation practice, is " Inner And Outer Peace Through Meditation, " > also Element Books. > > Naam Bhakti & Naamaste,' > > James > > > > >Message: 6 > > Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:33:53 PST > > " John Bickham " <swamiyo > >Re: Sound Mysticism in Christianity/Experiences > > > > > >Just so happens I experienced one today during Centering Prayer. I really > >don't use a sacred word so much now and often go right into silence. > >Today, > >around 6:30am I was in Centering Prayer with some other folks and when I > >came out of silence my head was a " singing bowl " . You know, those bowls > >from Japan and Nepal that sing. My head was this singing bowl and my mind > >was the singing bowl resonating and then it took me back to silence. It > >was > >a full sound with vibrations. I guess you could say it became my sacred > >word/sound. I'm still resonating with. It was/is " awe " some. > > > >Namaste, SwamiYo > >____ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > >_____________________ > > > > > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0.0 > percent Intro APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden > fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve. > Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative6CL " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 At 03:45 PM 2/10/2000 EST, you wrote: > " james bean " <spiritualawakening > In Sant Mat, the path that teaches Sound meditation, when you hear >the inner Sound Current, this becomes your mantra, and you can at that >point, for the rest of the meditation sit, leave of the repetition of a >sacred name. The Sound Current (Holy Spirit) is viewed by the Masters and >mystics as being the True Name, Cosmic or unpronounceable Name of God, the >Y-H-V-H and Ein Sof of the Jewish tradition, the Logos or Word of the >Gnostics and other mystic-Christians, the Saunt-i Sarmand of the Sufis, the > " Name that's above every other Name " that Saint Paul talked about, and the >Naam of the Sikhs. Hope nobody forgets about OM. It's the only sound I will ever chant, and the only " mantra " worth chanting, in my opinion. Just as another opinion, polluting the purity of OM by chanting " OM Namah Shivaya " or " OM Mani Padme Hum " is ridiculous. OM as a contraction contains within itself the three states of waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep, as well as the fourth, Turiya, which encompasses and transcends the first three. There is no need to add to it except maybe as a greeting (OM Shanti, Hari OM). OM chanted with bare awareness (either out loud or in the mind) brings to consciousness the inner sound, which I have personally experienced as an indescribable harmonious mix of tones. If anyone doubts, simply try it. The " proper " way to chant OM in my experience is in the lowest tone of voice possible, drawing out either the " O " or the " M " (or both). My experience is that drawing out the " M " causes drowsiness, so I draw out the " O " . It should be chanted as a long, low drone. Sometimes while chanting out loud, I've noticed unusual harmonics in my voice that echo the inner sound. Or, even filling the mind with OM (no need to chant), just layering OM upon consciousness, brings out the inner sound. Or chanting OM " directed toward someone else " as a blessing... that has to be experienced, it's amazing. Just some personal experiences, your mileage may vary. With Love, Tim ----- Sum Ergo Sum Visit " The Core " Website at http://coresite.cjb.net - Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's other pages are at http://core.vdirect.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 thanks for your insight Victor--this same thing also occured with me. blessings..... Soulspecks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Tim, I feel that you are not " open " to what others really feel or think. WHY do I feel this? There are many paths, mine is just one of them, but I honor the paths of everyone. Perhaps we can make a difference in sharing our soulview...but you seem to make the statement in your offerings " its my way or no way. " We are all of us at different 'levels' of understanding and practice--will you share yours through your heart? Is this a " Realization " list shared, or is it Tim's list? I salute you Tim, I hear what you are saying--do you hear the " us " out here? Aum. Soulspecks (Dianna) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 At 08:35 AM 2/11/2000 EST, you wrote: >SoulSpecks > >I think being the multi dimensional beings that we are--and so diverse in >thought and feelings--there is nothing " ridiculous " about the way a mantra >would come from our lips and through our heart center. Wayne Dyer put a CD >out years ago about Manifestation and the many attributes of sacred sound. >It was my first introduction to the scared sounds and vibration. Can there >be any right or wrong in mantra? Purely as an opinion, just sitting there repeating " Ram, Ram " or whatever simply acts as a sort of self-hypnosis. Japa isn't that simple. For one thing, a mantra should be used with *awareness*, *focus* and perhaps even *intent*. Some say there should be an affectionate or devotional quality to it. There's a little more to it than just mindlessly repeating some word over and over and over. If just repeating a word over and over was " good enough, " a parrot could " become realized " by this method ;-) With Love, Tim ----- Sum Ergo Sum Visit " The Core " Website at http://coresite.cjb.net - Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's other pages are at http://core.vdirect.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 ----- Forwarded message from Tim Gerchmez <core ----- Realization Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:44:55 -0800 Tim Gerchmez <core Reply-to: Realization Re: Sound Mysticism-experiences Tim Gerchmez <core At 08:35 AM 2/11/2000 EST, you wrote: >SoulSpecks > >I think being the multi dimensional beings that we are--and so diverse in >thought and feelings--there is nothing " ridiculous " about the way a mantra >would come from our lips and through our heart center. Wayne Dyer put a CD >out years ago about Manifestation and the many attributes of sacred sound. >It was my first introduction to the scared sounds and vibration. Can there >be any right or wrong in mantra? >>T:Purely as an opinion, just sitting there repeating " Ram, Ram " or whatever simply acts as a sort of self-hypnosis. Japa isn't that simple. For one thing, a mantra should be used with *awareness*, *focus* and perhaps even *intent*. Some say there should be an affectionate or devotional quality to it. There's a little more to it than just mindlessly repeating some word over and over and over. If just repeating a word over and over was " good enough, " a parrot could " become realized " by this method ;-) V: About one year ago I was given two mantric songs (yogic sound) as a practice by a teacher. I sang these songs daily maintaining what little awareness I could muster while walking my dog " Boots " through the woods and meadows. I had tape recorded these songs as sung by the teacher in a repetative sequence -- the tape totaling one hour in length. I sang along with tape that was playing in my Walkman. I beleive I made more progress using these songs in one year than I had doing other practices for twelve years. What I noticed was my mind started settling down with much less thinking occuring and I became much calmer and was able to stay very relaxed all the time. Additionally I had very pleasant blissful sensations which would last for several weeks at a time. These eventually went away and now only occur intermittently. One thing I noticed that when I sang this would seem to resonate in various places in my head, chest, and stomach areas of the body. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 At 01:54 PM 2/11/2000 EST, you wrote: >SoulSpecks > >thanks for your insight Victor--this same thing also occured with me. Please pardon my skepticism, but... I'm wondering if this has anything to do with " realization. " Taking a valium will also generate feelings of inner calm, bliss, peace, etc. I don't mean to denigrate anyone's practice, but... did it actually give you a permanent and lasting sense of connection to your real nature ( " Totality " ), or was it just a temporary method of feeling calmer and more at peace? Really, I'm just wondering. I'm not judging anyone's practice. With Love, Tim ----- Sum Ergo Sum Visit " The Core " Website at http://coresite.cjb.net - Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's other pages are at http://core.vdirect.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Quoting Tim Gerchmez <core: > Tim Gerchmez <core > > At 01:54 PM 2/11/2000 EST, you wrote: > >SoulSpecks > > > >thanks for your insight Victor--this same thing also occured with me. > > Please pardon my skepticism, but... I'm wondering if this has anything to > do with " realization. " Taking a valium will also generate feelings of > inner calm, bliss, peace, etc. I don't mean to denigrate anyone's > practice, but... did it actually give you a permanent and lasting sense of > connection to your real nature ( " Totality " ), or was it just a temporary > method of feeling calmer and more at peace? > > Really, I'm just wondering. I'm not judging anyone's practice. > Dear Tim, I believe I have had glimpses of realization occuring at random times. I also believe that realization does not neccesarily occur as a one shot phenomenum that 'gives you a permanent and lasting connection to your real nature ( " Totality " )'. This may occur on a particular individuals path but does it occur in all cases? I think not. I don't think everyone simply gets " zapped " and then there they are. Again this is strictly non-judgemental of others. Different strokes for different folks. There have been realizers over the centuries and they have followed many paths. It's funny I think I'm starting to understand what is meant by the old saw -- Silence is golden. What I was merely trying to do was tell what happened in my case. Love, Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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