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Hi Laura - Id just let him be - none of us are here to pander to each

other's ego, especially the poor moderator....and there isn't likely to be

fisticuffs. These encounters are good for practice - one gets to see which

buttons still get pushed and how one deals with it. Stuff happens.

 

I like reading Maharshi and Nisargadatta because it elaborates and gives

insight into what I practice in Buddhism. Different things impress me at

different times - I was very impressed to hear that Ramana served people who

came to his ashram. But, I could never manage this alone as I need a step

by step path with teachers to check out my practice with. Even as a

beginner with Buddhism it took me at least five years to believe that when

my Zen teacher told me just to sit, he meant just that - just sit. ( " You

mean not DO anything? " ) And years to understand the experience of

" emptiness " after I'd managed to comprehend it intellectually. I really

have to work hard to make certain I understand what Im being taught and not

just think I understand. A lot of the writings of enlightened beings are

feel good seductive - we resonate to them and mistake this for realizing

them.

 

I also practice Vipassana (Burmese) - and Ive noticed that while a calm mind

can relax into basic awareness and if one is awake there is then the

recognition that this is happening and only this - but then mind tends to

cling to the experience of awareness, either the clarity or energy of it and

then I can ask " Who is aware " - quite fun. Or, in Vipassana style go -

" awareness, awareness' and it changes into something else. This eclectic

muddle is NOT what one would do at any Buddhist retreat.

 

You sound sincere and persistent with what you do so I have no doubt that

your efforts will bring insight - one can certainly tell, aye? There seems

to be a kind of inner guidance for all of us although I don't know what

you'd call it (although Im certain everyone will tell me.)

 

Joyce

 

-

>> Hmmm - well, I asked Tim what his practice was and he went off in a huff -

>

> Yep. This is the first time I've moderated a list. Should I play the

involved mom

> and try to say something to make everybody feel better? Or just carry on?

>

> Well, how about this: Everybody has an ego, so any place people interact,

> ego stuff is bound to happen. Sometimes it makes people do silly things,

> embarrassing things.

>

> It's an opportunity for us to practice seeing them as something other than

> their ego activity.

>

> I spoke to Tim privately by email and invited him to come back. He said

> maybe he will eventually.

>

>> but Im still very interested in what people do as inquiry, what happens,

>> what works what doesnt and what that might mean....there does seem to be an

>> interest in Ramana Maharshi etc. I posted a few things from Buddhism, as

>> that has been my experience and I believe it a better and more practical

>> offering than my own ramblings about " awareness " - sometimes a chat based on

>> great masters is rather intimidating - what is there left to say?

>

> I'm with you. I'm also interested in people's practice. In fact, the

> original idea

> for this website was to write about, in exactly your words:

>

> " what people do as inquiry [and other things], what happens, what works, what

> doesn't, and what that might mean. "

>

> In my case, starting last summer, I tried making self-enquiry my main

practice,

> following Ramana's books. I've been doing it several hours a day intensely

> (broken up into several sessions)) and trying to continue the whole rest of

> the day

> as best I can while engaged in activities.

>

> It has taken a long time for me to gain any confidence that I am following the

> instructions properly. The practice sort of unfolded over the months, going

> through several stages. I think I'm on the right track with it because I'm

getting

> a more definite understanding of the " last thought, " the I thought. When I

> hold an awareness of that understanding, the ego sense seems to fade away,

> just like

> Ramana says, although not permanently and not completely.

>

> Basically, as self-inquiry has unfolded for me, it's a kind of mindfulness

> meditation.

>

> It's quite possible though that I'm doing it all wrong. :) I find his

> instructions

> rather vague.

>

> Love,

>

> Laura

>

>

>

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