Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 Ive forgotten which chat list began the discussion of ego - my apologies if this ends up in the wrong list. From a discussion about death and dying with Zen master Philip Kapleau and others being trained in hospice work - Nurse: " Where does ego come from anyway? " Kapleau replies - " It has surely been around as long as the human mind. Kapleau begins to describe the components (clusters) of psychological existence - Form - elements that comprise the body such as sense organs, sense objects and their relationship, here we have the beginning of individuality and the division of experience into subject and object. Feelings - the self reacting to its surroundings. These feelings comprise pleasure and pain, joy and sorrow, disquiet and equanimity. Perceptions of discriminating awareness, which comprise the reflective or discursive as well as the intuitve faculty of discromination. Mental Formations - the forces and tedencies of the will, the active principle of consciousness. These mental constructs are the consequences of past karma and progenitors of future karma. They are produced by conscious volition and are what put things together and build up patterns of personality and karma. Consciousness - which combines and coordinates all the sensory perceptions. Thus the egocentric self creates its own world instead of perceiving the world the way it really is. The aim of spiritual training is to see into the ultimate unreality of the ego-I and to transform these five aggregates of the confused and unenlightened mind into the Selfless-I The first five consciousnesses are seeing, hearing, tasting, touching and smelling. The sixth consciousness is the conceptual faculty that distinguishes and classifies the data of the senses and is what we call the intellect. The seventh root consciousness is the seat of the persistent I-awareness and is the source of our value judgments, egoistic opinions, self-centeredness and illusory notions, all of which give rise to actions that accord with them. The eighth consciousness is the repository, or storehouse, consciousness, where the seeds of all mental activity and sense perceptions are recorded moment after moment. This consciousness, which persists even after death, retains vestiges of previous existences and the seeds of new karmic causes. Also to be found on this eight level are certain memories of the prebirth condition-feelings of floating or flying, of freedom, of an oceanic oneness with all things. These sensations often occur in dreams and are usually accompanied by a sense of tremendous well being. To those sensitively attuned to them, such vestigal memories give a hint of that freedom of the state we miscall death. The nineth level is the pure, formless (non dual) Self-consciousness - our True Nature. It is related to the eight level so intimately that there is almost no difference between the two. It can be compared to a limitless ocean, in which each individual life is a wave on the surface. " Well, he has more to say that clarifies the situation of ego/ consciousness etc - so if anyone has any questions send them along and Ill see if I can see if he has any comments. Kapleau also says that all is not lost, the wily creatuire the ego is not to be despised; for when his machinations become unbearably painful, there arises within us an irresistible longing for freedom from the restriction and pain, and a desire to attain inward peace and wisdom. " Ego performs yet another valuable function. Behind all creative endeavors, be it designing a space ship or uncovering an unknown law of nature - lies the desire, conscious or unconscious, for Self-knowledge. And the propelling force behind this desire is ego - the wish of the self to undertake these activities - ego represents a natural urge by the life force itself toward an expansion of experience, toward more life. " Not so bad. joyce Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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