Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 Recently an exchange of messages about Realization.org occurred on some of the Kundalini mail lists. I'm quoting my reply here because it clears up possible misconceptions about the purpose of Realization.org and its relation to other sites. .................. Dear Angelique, Let me say the most important thing out of order, at the beginning. My website doesn't compete with yours and El's. It's in a different category. It's a magazine, not a site devoted to a subject. Your sites (which I admire tremendously) cover their topics in much greater depth than we ever can. Our purpose is to print a little bit about those topics and then link to your sites so people can learn more there. For example, if you check our Kundalini pages, you'll find a ton of links to El's site. I don't think we have any links to Domin8rex.com yet, but we certainly will, as soon I get our reference page written on whatever I should call this subject. As an example of how you could use our site to your benefit instead of viewing it as a competitor, take Chuck Hillig as an example. (He's the author of a recent very popular book on nondualism.) He let me preprint a selection from his forthcoming book. I accompanied his selection with a blurb for his current book and links to his site. Result? In the next few days, 300 people read the excerpt on our site, and some of them followed the links to his site, and (I presume) some of them bought his current book. (Our hit rate has gone up a lot since then, so future numbers should be higher.) You are welcome to use our site in the same way. If we compete with anybody, it's the other web magazines -- Tricycle, What Is Enlightenment, Noumenon, Ascent, etc. (But we don't really compete with them because editorially we are quite different. More about this below.) > Laura, what I don't understand, is why you are creating this organization >that you obviously cannot afford the time or money for, instead of lending >help to existing organizations? I am really puzzled by this. Nobody's creating an organization here. It's just an electronic magazine. The name is " realization.org " rather than " realization.com " or " realization.net " only because the site's not commercial and it's not a network and it's not an organization, but those were the only three choices. We do have money for it -- it costs only $30 a month. We do have time for it -- it has been operating and expanding for three months now. Although of course I wish I had more time for it. I'd like to change the content every day, and this has proved impossible so far. > I've read the realization.org site, and I see you are seeking donations, >and complaining about expenses... complaining about how much work it is.. >so why are you doing it, then?? We are not seeking donations. There has never been a request for donations anywhere on our site. About two months ago I turned down an offer of a donation that came unsolicited by email because we don't need donations. As I said, our site costs practically nothing. Marilyn's recent column about our cashflow wasn't a complaint. It was meant to say to our current and potential contributors, " See, we really can't afford to pay you. We're doing this for love, and if you want to get printed here, you have to do it for the same reason. " When you say " complaining about how much work it is, " I guess you're referring to remarks like the one I made above wishing I could change the content more often, and to our requests for more volunteers. I don't view these as complaints. I enjoy working on the site very much. I ask for volunteers because the goal is to have more contributors, and in order to print more contributions, we need more editors. > I've paid for the K-lists (before they came to onelist) and Kundalini >Gateway out of my own pocket, as a labor of love, just as I have created my >own site, Domin8rex.com for the joy of doing. I'm retired as a pro-Dom, but >the site will stay up, because people find value in it. At present I'm >working on building a LARGE Kundalini sanctuary.. an investor has been >provided by Goddess. I did not need solicit donations.. Goddess has it >handled.. That's terrific! > I'm not saying you have to do as I do, you can do as you like, but you >keep spamming the lists I run soliciting help... I'm sorry you regard my posts as spam. Although I screwed up with a sloppy post recently, I usually am careful to address our announcements only to lists that match the content of the post. Every time I mail those things, I ask myself, " Is it likely that some readers of this list will be glad they saw this, or will the only benefit be to realization.org? " Unless I really think some readers will be glad, I don't mail it (although as I said, I screwed up recently and probably have screwed up other times and certainly will screw up occasionally again in the future.) If you want me to stop sending them, just let me know, and of course I'll comply. > ... and trying to re-invent the wheel. Why? Re-invent which wheel? As I said earlier, if we compete with anybody, it's the other web magazines like Tricycle, Noumenon, Ascent, What Is Enlightenment, etc. But none of them is doing what we do. Tricycle is concerned only with Buddhism, but we cover a wider range including even neurotechnology. (And Tricycle doesn't put very much of its content on the web yet.) What Is Enlightenment consists mainly of interviews, but we have never published an interview (at least I can't remember one right now.) Ascent concentrates on teachers from a particular lineage; we cast a much wider net. Etc. > Are the existing organizations not worthy of your support?? Thank you > for the links.. but please explain Why? Doesn't that question apply equally to you and El? Why do you each have sites instead of one of you working on the other person's? In my case, the answer is, first, yes, your organizations are very much worthy of support. And I think I'm giving support by creating a site that will draw in new, additional readers for El's site and your sites and other people's sites. Second answer is, I have a different editorial vision than other people, just like you do, just like El does. There is no existing site that exemplifies that vision. If there were, I would be doing something else. Best regards, Laura http://www.realization.org P.S. Also, from a reader's point of view, it makes little difference whose server a page is on. If I link to your site and you link to mine, many readers will go back and forth without even noticing they are passing from one site to another. (My mother does this, she really doesn't know.) So if I make a page that talks about your site and links to your site, I'm helping you just as much as if I made a page for your server. It's the links that matter, not the physical location of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2000 Report Share Posted March 14, 2000 I realize that I am little late posting this reaction Laura, but I always read my lists when time is available, which equals about twice a week. I just want to thank you for your effort in putting up your website according to your ideas and insights. Whatever we place in cyberspace, the diversity of websites is a wonderful reflection of the limitless possibilities that are born from our mind. Love, Mira > " Laura Olshansky " <editor > > Recently an exchange of messages about Realization.org > occurred on some of the Kundalini mail lists. I'm quoting > my reply here because it clears up possible misconceptions > about the purpose of Realization.org and its relation to other > sites. > > ................. > > Dear Angelique, > > Let me say the most important thing out of order, at the beginning. My > website doesn't compete with yours and El's. It's in a different category. > It's a magazine, not a site devoted to a subject. > > Your sites (which I admire tremendously) cover their topics in much greater > depth than we ever can. Our purpose is to print a little bit about those topics > and then link to your sites so people can learn more there. > > For example, if you check our Kundalini pages, you'll find a ton of links to > El's site. I don't think we have any links to Domin8rex.com yet, but we > certainly will, as soon I get our reference page written on whatever I > should call this subject. > > As an example of how you could use our site to your benefit instead of > viewing it as a competitor, take Chuck Hillig as an example. (He's the > author of a recent very popular book on nondualism.) He let me > preprint a selection from his forthcoming book. I accompanied his > selection with a blurb for his current book and links to his site. > > Result? In the next few days, 300 people read the excerpt on our site, and > some of them followed the links to his site, and (I presume) some of them > bought his current book. (Our hit rate has gone up a lot since then, so future > numbers should be higher.) > > You are welcome to use our site in the same way. > > If we compete with anybody, it's the other web magazines -- Tricycle, > What Is Enlightenment, Noumenon, Ascent, etc. (But we don't really > compete with them because editorially we are quite different. More about > this below.) > > > Laura, what I don't understand, is why you are creating this organization > >that you obviously cannot afford the time or money for, instead of lending > >help to existing organizations? I am really puzzled by this. > > Nobody's creating an organization here. It's just an electronic magazine. > The name is " realization.org " rather than " realization.com " or " realization.net " > only because the site's not commercial and it's not a network and it's not an > organization, but those were the only three choices. > > We do have money for it -- it costs only $30 a month. We do have time for > it -- it has been operating and expanding for three months now. Although > of course I wish I had more time for it. I'd like to change the content every > day, and this has proved impossible so far. > > > I've read the realization.org site, and I see you are seeking donations, > >and complaining about expenses... complaining about how much work it is.. > >so why are you doing it, then?? > > We are not seeking donations. There has never been a request for donations > anywhere on our site. About two months ago I turned down an offer of a donation > that came unsolicited by email because we don't need donations. As I said, > our site costs practically nothing. > > Marilyn's recent column about our cashflow wasn't a complaint. It was meant > to say to our current and potential contributors, " See, we really can't afford to > pay you. We're doing this for love, and if you want to get printed here, you have > to do it for the same reason. " > > When you say " complaining about how much work it is, " I guess you're referring > to remarks like the one I made above wishing I could change the content > more often, and to our requests for more volunteers. I don't view these as complaints. > I enjoy working on the site very much. I ask for volunteers because the goal is to > have more contributors, and in order to print more contributions, we need more > editors. > > > I've paid for the K-lists (before they came to onelist) and Kundalini > >Gateway out of my own pocket, as a labor of love, just as I have created my > >own site, Domin8rex.com for the joy of doing. I'm retired as a pro-Dom, but > >the site will stay up, because people find value in it. At present I'm > >working on building a LARGE Kundalini sanctuary.. an investor has been > >provided by Goddess. I did not need solicit donations.. Goddess has it > >handled.. > > That's terrific! > > > I'm not saying you have to do as I do, you can do as you like, but you > >keep spamming the lists I run soliciting help... > > I'm sorry you regard my posts as spam. Although I screwed up with a > sloppy post recently, I usually am careful to address our announcements > only to lists that match the content of the post. Every time I mail those > things, I ask myself, " Is it likely that some readers of this list will be glad > they saw this, or will the only benefit be to realization.org? " Unless I really > think some readers will be glad, I don't mail it (although as I said, I screwed > up recently and probably have screwed up other times and certainly will > screw up occasionally again in the future.) If you want me to stop > sending them, just let me know, and of course I'll comply. > > > ... and trying to re-invent the wheel. Why? > > Re-invent which wheel? As I said earlier, if we compete with anybody, it's > the other web magazines like Tricycle, Noumenon, Ascent, What Is Enlightenment, > etc. But none of them is doing what we do. Tricycle is concerned only with Buddhism, > but we cover a wider range including even neurotechnology. (And Tricycle doesn't > put very much of its content on the web yet.) What Is Enlightenment > consists mainly of interviews, but we have never published an interview (at least I > can't remember one right now.) Ascent concentrates on teachers from a particular > lineage; we cast a much wider net. Etc. > > > Are the existing organizations not worthy of your support?? Thank you > > for the links.. but please explain Why? > > Doesn't that question apply equally to you and El? Why do you each have sites > instead of one of you working on the other person's? > > In my case, the answer is, first, yes, your organizations are very much worthy of > support. And I think I'm giving support by creating a site that will draw in > new, additional readers for El's site and your sites and other people's sites. > > Second answer is, I have a different editorial vision than other people, just like you > do, just like El does. There is no existing site that exemplifies that vision. If there > were, I would be doing something else. > > Best regards, > > Laura > http://www.realization.org > > P.S. Also, from a reader's point of view, it makes little difference whose server a page is > on. If I link to your site and you link to mine, many readers will go back and forth without > even noticing they are passing from one site to another. (My mother does this, she really > doesn't know.) So if I make a page that talks about your site and links to your site, I'm helping > you just as much as if I made a page for your server. It's the links that matter, not the physical > location of the page. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2000 Report Share Posted March 14, 2000 Dear Mirror, Thanks so much for this. It encourages me to keep at it. Love, Laura Mirror <mirror Realization <Realization > Tuesday, March 14, 2000 11:38 AM Re: Realization and other sites > " Mirror " <mirror > > >I realize that I am little late posting this reaction Laura, but I always >read my lists when time is available, which equals about twice a week. >I just want to thank you for your effort in putting up your website >according to your ideas and insights. Whatever we place in cyberspace, the >diversity of websites is a wonderful reflection of the limitless >possibilities that are born from our mind. >Love, >Mira > > > >> " Laura Olshansky " <editor >> >> Recently an exchange of messages about Realization.org >> occurred on some of the Kundalini mail lists. I'm quoting >> my reply here because it clears up possible misconceptions >> about the purpose of Realization.org and its relation to other >> sites. >> >> ................. >> >> Dear Angelique, >> >> Let me say the most important thing out of order, at the beginning. My >> website doesn't compete with yours and El's. It's in a different >category. >> It's a magazine, not a site devoted to a subject. >> >> Your sites (which I admire tremendously) cover their topics in much >greater >> depth than we ever can. Our purpose is to print a little bit about those >topics >> and then link to your sites so people can learn more there. >> >> For example, if you check our Kundalini pages, you'll find a ton of links >to >> El's site. I don't think we have any links to Domin8rex.com yet, but we >> certainly will, as soon I get our reference page written on whatever I >> should call this subject. >> >> As an example of how you could use our site to your benefit instead of >> viewing it as a competitor, take Chuck Hillig as an example. (He's the >> author of a recent very popular book on nondualism.) He let me >> preprint a selection from his forthcoming book. I accompanied his >> selection with a blurb for his current book and links to his site. >> >> Result? In the next few days, 300 people read the excerpt on our site, >and >> some of them followed the links to his site, and (I presume) some of them >> bought his current book. (Our hit rate has gone up a lot since then, so >future >> numbers should be higher.) >> >> You are welcome to use our site in the same way. >> >> If we compete with anybody, it's the other web magazines -- Tricycle, >> What Is Enlightenment, Noumenon, Ascent, etc. (But we don't really >> compete with them because editorially we are quite different. More about >> this below.) >> >> > Laura, what I don't understand, is why you are creating this >organization >> >that you obviously cannot afford the time or money for, instead of >lending >> >help to existing organizations? I am really puzzled by this. >> >> Nobody's creating an organization here. It's just an electronic magazine. >> The name is " realization.org " rather than " realization.com " or > " realization.net " >> only because the site's not commercial and it's not a network and it's not >an >> organization, but those were the only three choices. >> >> We do have money for it -- it costs only $30 a month. We do have time for >> it -- it has been operating and expanding for three months now. Although >> of course I wish I had more time for it. I'd like to change the content >every >> day, and this has proved impossible so far. >> >> > I've read the realization.org site, and I see you are seeking >donations, >> >and complaining about expenses... complaining about how much work it is.. >> >so why are you doing it, then?? >> >> We are not seeking donations. There has never been a request for >donations >> anywhere on our site. About two months ago I turned down an offer of a >donation >> that came unsolicited by email because we don't need donations. As I said, >> our site costs practically nothing. >> >> Marilyn's recent column about our cashflow wasn't a complaint. It was >meant >> to say to our current and potential contributors, " See, we really can't >afford to >> pay you. We're doing this for love, and if you want to get printed here, >you have >> to do it for the same reason. " >> >> When you say " complaining about how much work it is, " I guess you're >referring >> to remarks like the one I made above wishing I could change the content >> more often, and to our requests for more volunteers. I don't view these >as complaints. >> I enjoy working on the site very much. I ask for volunteers because the >goal is to >> have more contributors, and in order to print more contributions, we need >more >> editors. >> >> > I've paid for the K-lists (before they came to onelist) and Kundalini >> >Gateway out of my own pocket, as a labor of love, just as I have created >my >> >own site, Domin8rex.com for the joy of doing. I'm retired as a pro-Dom, >but >> >the site will stay up, because people find value in it. At present I'm >> >working on building a LARGE Kundalini sanctuary.. an investor has been >> >provided by Goddess. I did not need solicit donations.. Goddess has it >> >handled.. >> >> That's terrific! >> >> > I'm not saying you have to do as I do, you can do as you like, but you >> >keep spamming the lists I run soliciting help... >> >> I'm sorry you regard my posts as spam. Although I screwed up with a >> sloppy post recently, I usually am careful to address our announcements >> only to lists that match the content of the post. Every time I mail those >> things, I ask myself, " Is it likely that some readers of this list will be >glad >> they saw this, or will the only benefit be to realization.org? " Unless I >really >> think some readers will be glad, I don't mail it (although as I said, I >screwed >> up recently and probably have screwed up other times and certainly will >> screw up occasionally again in the future.) If you want me to stop >> sending them, just let me know, and of course I'll comply. >> >> > ... and trying to re-invent the wheel. Why? >> >> Re-invent which wheel? As I said earlier, if we compete with anybody, >it's >> the other web magazines like Tricycle, Noumenon, Ascent, What Is >Enlightenment, >> etc. But none of them is doing what we do. Tricycle is concerned only >with Buddhism, >> but we cover a wider range including even neurotechnology. (And Tricycle >doesn't >> put very much of its content on the web yet.) What Is Enlightenment >> consists mainly of interviews, but we have never published an interview >(at least I >> can't remember one right now.) Ascent concentrates on teachers from a >particular >> lineage; we cast a much wider net. Etc. >> >> > Are the existing organizations not worthy of your support?? Thank you >> > for the links.. but please explain Why? >> >> Doesn't that question apply equally to you and El? Why do you each have >sites >> instead of one of you working on the other person's? >> >> In my case, the answer is, first, yes, your organizations are very much >worthy of >> support. And I think I'm giving support by creating a site that will draw >in >> new, additional readers for El's site and your sites and other people's >sites. >> >> Second answer is, I have a different editorial vision than other people, >just like you >> do, just like El does. There is no existing site that exemplifies that >vision. If there >> were, I would be doing something else. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Laura >> http://www.realization.org >> >> P.S. Also, from a reader's point of view, it makes little difference >whose server a page is >> on. If I link to your site and you link to mine, many readers will go >back and forth without >> even noticing they are passing from one site to another. (My mother does >this, she really >> doesn't know.) So if I make a page that talks about your site and links >to your site, I'm helping >> you just as much as if I made a page for your server. 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