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You are merely looking for new, better methods. I am

not going to help you. Why in the hell are you looking

for another solution? You will make out of what I am

saying another solution, to be added to your list of

solutions, which are all useless when it comes to

actually solving your problems. If I suggest anything,

directly or indirectly, you will turn it into another

method or technique. I would be falsifying myself if I

were to make any such suggestion.

 

If anyone says there is a way out, he is not an honest

fellow. He simply wants to market a product and hopes

to convince you that it is superior to other products

on the market. If another man comes along and says

that there is no way out, you make of that another

method.

 

Sitting here discussing these things is meaningless,

useless. That is why I am always saying to my

listeners, " Get lost, please! "

 

Having taken for granted the validity of all this holy

stuff, having never questioned, much less broken away

from it, you not only have learned how to live with

it, but also how to capitalize on it. It is a matter

of profiteering, nothing more.

 

- UG

 

 

 

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What does UG say about Ramana Maharshi?

 

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Shiva Kumar [shivak]Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:42 PMRealization Subject: The solutionYou are merely looking for new, better methods. I amnot going to help you. Why in the hell are you lookingfor another solution? You will make out of what I amsaying another solution, to be added to your list ofsolutions, which are all useless when it comes toactually solving your problems. If I suggest anything,directly or indirectly, you will turn it into anothermethod or technique. I would be falsifying myself if Iwere to make any such suggestion. If anyone says there is a way out, he is not an honestfellow. He simply wants to market a product and hopesto convince you that it is superior to other productson the market. If another man comes along and saysthat there is no way out, you make of that anothermethod. Sitting here discussing these things is meaningless,useless. That is why I am always saying to mylisteners, "Get lost, please!" Having taken for granted the validity of all this holystuff, having never questioned, much less broken awayfrom it, you not only have learned how to live withit, but also how to capitalize on it. It is a matterof profiteering, nothing more. - UG Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!/..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................

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UG on Ramana, while answering a question.....

 

We have only a handful of flowers, which you can count

on your fingers: Ramana Maharshi in recent times, Sri

Ramakrishna, some other people. Not the claimants (

People who claim to be Gurus ) we have in our midst

today, not the gurus -- I am not talking about them.

It is amazing -- that man who sat there at

Tiruvannamalai -- his impact on the West is much more

than all these gurus put together -- very strange, you

understand? He has had a tremendous impact on the

totality of human consciousness -- that man living in

one corner, you understand?

 

I visited an industrialist in Paris. He is not at all

interested in religious matters, much less in India;

he is anti-Indian. (Laughs) So, I saw his photo there

-- " Why do you have this photo? " He said " I like the

face. I don't know anything about him. I'm not even

interested in reading his books. I like the photo, so

it's there. I'm not interested in anything about him. "

 

 

Maybe such an individual can (I can't say 'can') help

himself and help the world. Maybe.

 

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When UG himself was seeking at the age of 21, he met

Ramana once, and asked him the following Questions.

 

UG : Can you give me what you have ?

Ramana : ( No reply )

 

UG : I am asking " Whatever you have, can you give it

to me ? "

Ramana : I can give it to you, but can you take it ?

 

UG was stunned. He says,

I said to myself " If there is any individual in this

world who can take it, it is me, because I have done

so much Sadhana, seven years of sadhana. He can think

that I can't take it, but I can take it. If I can't

take it, who can take it? " -- that was my frame of

mind at the time -- you know, I was so confident of

myself.

 

UG : Are there stages of enlightenment ?

Ramana : No, You are either there or you are not.

There are no steps leading to that.

 

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Once UG remembered something that one of his friends

had mentioned -

 

Somebody went to Ramana Maharshi and said, " Bhagavan,

I don't want anything. I only want moksha. " It seems

Ramana did not say anything but continued to do

whatever he was doing. At twelve o'clock everyone got

up to go except for that man. Ramana got up too and

was about to go. He said to the man, " If you don't

want anything that is moksha, " and went away.

Remarkable statement that was. That Ramana was a real

McCoy. " UG continued, " Wanting moksha is also part of

wanting. "

 

 

 

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