Guest guest Posted July 29, 2001 Report Share Posted July 29, 2001 Hello, Okay, I'm starting to wonder how many more questions a person can ask. alright, um, I've noticed that things are starting to become to be less important to me and I am becoming detached from them I guess, no, I'm not sure how to explain it. I'm just forgetting things. Normally, everything is important to me, and I have a wonderful, but now, I guess things aren't important to me and I am forgetting. I don't know if this has to do with the stuff I am doing, with meditation and stuff, or if I'm just getting a bad memory. Please tell me and tell me what it is please. Thank you. Leaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2001 Report Share Posted July 29, 2001 To all, I have been invigorated and informed by the ongoing meditation discussion. Meditation, Yoga, and going Vegetarian have been the most positive feedback experiences of my life thusfar. I had many years ago taken the TM program (simply received my mantra and practiced meditation twice daily for 20 minutes for several years). After many years of not practicing, I stopped (I am not sure why - probably the excuse of being too busy). I have in last few years however (on and off) begun to meditate again (without the use of the mantra). Just sitting quietly alone, closing my eyes, slowing breathing deeply in and out, and then watching my breath - doing this for 20 minutes or so.I feel that the the slow, deep breathing to be very important to me. Many times when I do meditate, I have found it to be an extremely positive experience. I don't know if this is what others experience, but many times I get to a state of bliss (a joyful peace), there is a sort of crackling or opening up in my ears (increased hearing acuity) and my eyes tear up (not from sadness, but almost as a sort of release). Have others experienced this? I am also interested in hearing more about the Vipassana Meditation Program - has anyone every have direct experience that they can relate concerning this program? Namaste Ken Who seeks for Heaven alone to save his soul May keep the path, but will not reach the goal; While he who walks in love may wander far, Yet God will bring him where the blessed are. Henry Van Dyke. - " Rob Sacks " <editor <Realization > Sunday, July 29, 2001 6:50 PM Re: (no subject) > Hi Gary, > > What a nice suprise to find that you've been > here. This list has been inactive for so long, > like a field in the winter. Now Leaf has supplied > the spring sunshine and all kinds of unexpected > flowers are popping up! > > > On purely logical grounds, if a teacher is necessary > > to achieve enlightenment, then how did enlightenment > > ever come about? Who was the first teacher? And who > > taught the first teacher? > > On empirical grounds, too. Occurs to me that > many people who are widely regarded as fully > self-realized (whatever that means exactly) came > to their realization spontaneously, without teachers. > Three that come to mind are Sri Ramana Maharshi, > Sri Shivabalayogi, and Sri H.L. Poonja. > > I sometimes wonder what happens to children who > have similar experiences if they happen to live in > the United States or other countries whose cultures > don't recognize such phenomena. After Ramana > Maharshi's self-realization, he went into something > that resembled a coma for three years, stopped eating, > etc. Are there children in his condition in American > mental hospitals? Even in India, these experiences > are often treated like illness. Sri Poonja was an > example of that. > > Regards, > > Rob > > > - > " Gary Schouborg " <garyscho > " Realization " <Realization > > Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:33 PM > Re: (no subject) > > > > Leaf, > > > > > Hi, > > > i have yet a few more questions. I've noticed that I am pretty much the > > > only one to ask questions on this. Okay, Here are my questions. > > > First, I read something on this website about getting to enlightenment, and > > > they said that it was nearly impossible to get to enlightenment. Of course, > > > this deeply saddened me because I want to get to enlightenment. Is it true > > > that it is nearly impossible, that it takes lifetimes to do nomatter how hard > > > you work? > > > > As Rob said, some people come to it naturally, either because they're > > genetically gifted or their parents had the wisdom to allow them to listen > > more to their bodies than to social expectations. > > > > I believe enlightenment comes in degrees and that full enlightenment means > > that you can live in peace every moment of your everyday life, even if you > > do technologically complex work. My impression is that Realization > > correspondents have had at least one moment of such inner peace and can > > experience it every day along a continuum, from once to every moment of the > > day. > > > > > My second question is that sometimes, it seems as though my thought process > > > completely shuts down and I am just left with peace. What is this? > > > > > It sounds like what some call full absorption or samatha. The important > > point is that you are, at least according to my theory, momentarily in > > direct touch with the most primitive energies of your body. That is > > enlightenment in its simplest form. Full enlightenment would be the ability > > to keep in touch with that primitive energy even when conducting your > > practical, everyday affairs. > > > > As to whether everyone needs a teacher, I first want to thank all the other > > contributors for nourishing me with their wise and poetic responses to your > > question. I agree with them that a teacher is not necessarily needed and > > that you already have your real teacher within you. On purely logical > > grounds, if a teacher is necessary to achieve enlightenment, then how did > > enlightenment ever come about? Who was the first teacher? And who taught the > > first teacher? > > > > That having been said, a good teacher is often useful for encouragement at > > least, but also because there are many ways in which we can become confused > > along the path to enlightenment and a wise teacher can help us avoid getting > > lost. Ultimately, however, you cannot avoid the fact that you yourself must > > choose to follow one teacher rather than another. No one can decide for you > > whether or not you're on the right path and whether or not your teacher is a > > good one. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Gary Schouborg > > Performance Consulting > > Walnut Creek, CA > > garyscho > > > > Publications and professional services: > > http://home.att.net/~garyscho > > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > > > Email addresses: > > Post message: Realization > > Un: Realization- > > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > > http://www.realization.org > > ................................................ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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