Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 The more I read and understand about Mysticism, Spirituality and The Ultimate Reality. And the more I 'advance' in my own spirituality. The more my respect for Nisagardatta grows. He seems to have covered every question that a seeker might ask. He seems to know what every seeker will experience as he/she progresses spiritually. The great thing about Indian mystics is that they did not have to hide behind double meanings, etc. like the Sufis had to. He expresses in simple language what Rumi and Hafiz are trying to say. [They had no choice! They did not want to end up like Mansoor Hallaj.] Check out for yourself his spiritual genius. His extraordinary insights. http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/index.html Nisargadatta/messages A few random & shorter of his Gems: Nothing stands in the way of your liberation and it can happen here and now but for your being more interested in other things. And you cannot fight with your interests. You must go with them, see through them and watch them reveal themselves as mere errors of judgement and appreciation. (456) Weak desires can be removed by introspection and meditation, but strong, deep-rooted ones must be fulfilled and their fruits, sweet or bitter, tasted. (97) Earnestness, not perfection, is a precondition to self-realization. Virtues and powers come with realization, not before. (434) It is not what you do, but what you stop doing that matters. (483) Once you realize that all happens by itself (call it destiny, or the will of God, or mere accident), you remain as witness only, understanding and enjoying, but not perturbed. You are responsible only for what you can change. All you can change is only your attitude. There lies your responsibility. (451) You must find your own way. Unless you find it yourself, it will not be your own way and will take you nowhere. Earnestly live your truth as you have found it, act on the little you have understood. It is earnestness that will take you through, not cleverness - your own or another's. (499) Your first task is to see the sorrow in you and around you; your next, to long intensely for liberation. The very intensity of longing will guide you; you need no other guide. (236) Having realized that I am with, and yet beyond the world, I became free from all desire and fear. I did not reason out that I should be free, I found myself free, unexpectedly, without the least effort. (269) ______________________ With Love, Cyber Dervish ```````````````````````````````````````` _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Hi Jan, I love Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj but I think his books should come with a warning. He talks so eloquently about his experiences that many readers fall into the trap of regarding his books as if they are philosophy books when in fact they are something else. Unfortunately, for many people, Jnana Yoga is a belief system instead of a practical method. Nisargadatta Maharaj himself warned against this as I'll show in a moment. But first, here is one of my favorite quotes from Maharaj: " Just keep in mind the feeling 'I am', merge in it, till your mind and feeling become one. By repeated attempts you will stumble on the right balance of attention and affection and your mind will be firmly established in the thought-feeling 'I am'. " (I Am That, page 48.) No philosophy here, just bare-bones instructions for practicing self-inquiry. This is what Maharaj's guru told him, and he followed the instructions, and within three years he was self-realized. Maharaj himself told people not to make the mistake of regarding his teachings as philosophy. Here is a wonderful quotation from David Godman, former librarian at the Sri Ramana Ashram and author of numerous biographies of realized sages. " About fifteen years ago I was having a discussion with Nisargadatta Maharaj, trying to get him to explain some of the apparent inconsistencies in his teachings. I was just arguing with him for the fun of it, because he liked people to disagree with what he was saying. " At one point he stopped his explanations and said, 'You are not understanding the purpose of my words. I am not giving you these words so that you can think about them and make a coherent and sensible philosophy out of them. I am putting my words into your consciousness so that they will do their work there. They will grow, flower and fruit in their own time, but if you think about them, or try to analyze them, you will impede their effectiveness. The power is in the words themselves, not in the meanings. If you don't think about what they mean, they will do their work by themselves. " (Nothing Ever Happened, Volume 3, page 397.) Best regards, Rob - " Jan Sultan " <sworkalpha <Realization > Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:41 AM Nisagardatta Maharaj, The Ultimate Guru. > > > The more I read and understand about Mysticism, Spirituality and The > Ultimate Reality. And the more I 'advance' in my own spirituality. The more > my respect for Nisagardatta grows. > > He seems to have covered every question that a seeker might ask. He seems > to know what every seeker will experience as he/she progresses spiritually. > The great thing about Indian mystics is that they did not have to hide > behind double meanings, etc. like the Sufis had to. He expresses in simple > language what Rumi and Hafiz are trying to say. [They had no choice! They > did not want to end up like Mansoor Hallaj.] > > Check out for yourself his spiritual genius. His extraordinary insights. > > http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/index.html > Nisargadatta/messages > > A few random & shorter of his Gems: > > Nothing stands in the way of your liberation and it can happen here and now > but for your being more interested in other things. And you cannot fight > with your interests. You must go with them, see through them and watch them > reveal themselves as mere errors of judgement and appreciation. (456) > > Weak desires can be removed by introspection and meditation, but strong, > deep-rooted ones must be fulfilled and their fruits, sweet or bitter, > tasted. (97) > > Earnestness, not perfection, is a precondition to self-realization. Virtues > and powers come with realization, not before. (434) > > It is not what you do, but what you stop doing that matters. (483) > > Once you realize that all happens by itself (call it destiny, or the will > of God, or mere accident), you remain as witness only, understanding and > enjoying, but not perturbed. You are responsible only for what you can > change. All you can change is only your attitude. There lies your > responsibility. (451) > > You must find your own way. Unless you find it yourself, it will not be > your own way and will take you nowhere. Earnestly live your truth as you > have found it, act on the little you have understood. It is earnestness > that will take you through, not cleverness - your own or another's. (499) > > Your first task is to see the sorrow in you and around you; your next, to > long intensely for liberation. The very intensity of longing will guide > you; you need no other guide. (236) > > Having realized that I am with, and yet beyond the world, I became free > from all desire and fear. I did not reason out that I should be free, I > found myself free, unexpectedly, without the least effort. (269) > ______________________ > With Love, > Cyber Dervish > ```````````````````````````````````````` > > > _______ > > Get your free @ address at > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 Hi Jan thanks for the message Your message exactly conveys my feelngs for the Maharaj Maharaj really covers all the doubts & questions that an earnest seeker would come across. namaste, vineet -- On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:22:48 Jan Sultan wrote: >This is for other 'spiritual' groups. I am only posting it here for >comments or suggestions, maybe for a follow up email. > >The more I read and understand about Sufism, Mysticism, Spirituality and >The Ultimate Reality. And the more I 'advance' in my own spirituality. The >more my respect for Nisagardatta grows. > >He seems to have covered every question that a seeker might ask. He seems >to know what every seeker will experience as he/she progresses spiritually. >The great thing about Indian mystics is that they did not have to hide >behind double meanings, etc. like the Sufis had to. He expresses in simple >language what Rumi and Hafiz are trying to say. [They had no choice! They >did not want to end up like Mansoor Hallaj.] > >Check out for yourself his spiritual genius. His extraordinary insights. > >http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/index.html >Nisargadatta/messages > >A few random & shorter of his Gems: > >Nothing stands in the way of your liberation and it can happen here and now >but for your being more interested in other things. And you cannot fight >with your interests. You must go with them, see through them and watch them >reveal themselves as mere errors of judgement and appreciation. (456) > >Weak desires can be removed by introspection and meditation, but strong, >deep-rooted ones must be fulfilled and their fruits, sweet or bitter, >tasted. (97) > >Earnestness, not perfection, is a precondition to self-realization. Virtues >and powers come with realization, not before. (434) > >It is not what you do, but what you stop doing that matters. (483) > >Once you realize that all happens by itself (call it destiny, or the will >of God, or mere accident), you remain as witness only, understanding and >enjoying, but not perturbed. You are responsible only for what you can >change. All you can change is only your attitude. There lies your >responsibility. (451) > >You must find your own way. Unless you find it yourself, it will not be >your own way and will take you nowhere. Earnestly live your truth as you >have found it, act on the little you have understood. It is earnestness >that will take you through, not cleverness - your own or another's. (499) > >Your first task is to see the sorrow in you and around you; your next, to >long intensely for liberation. The very intensity of longing will guide >you; you need no other guide. (236) > >Having realized that I am with, and yet beyond the world, I became free >from all desire and fear. I did not reason out that I should be free, I >found myself free, unexpectedly, without the least effort. (269) > >______________________ >With Love, >Cyber Dervish >```````````````````````````````````````` > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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