Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 At 05:02 PM 8/11/2001, you wrote: >Dear Michael, > >No no no don't shut up. If anything I said >caused you pain, I'm so sorry! Your honest >expression from your heart is very moving. If >I was oblivious to the feelings in your earlier >messages, I apologize. No need to apologize Rob. As you know, you can't hurt anyone's feelings without their permission. You are very good at getting to the truth with your posts and when it hurts me it just means that I have more to learn about why I allow the words and actions of others to affect me. Isn't this what we are taught as kids? Seems when we don't really learn this as kids because we were taught by others who didn't learn it and then life kicks us in the butt, and makes us learn it the lessons can be very painful, but a wound that is only healed on the outside is not really healed. > > My experience is that my emotional self > > takes over my life even when, especially > > when I don't want it to. I can be conscious > > as hell and still the mind takes over my > > body, my thoughts and my mouth. > >Yes it is the same for me. Maybe it's the same >for everybody except those who don't feel >their emotions and they are probably worse >off since they are also being taken over but >have no idea by what. > > Don't give up. My experience has been >that if you can see what happens clearly enough, >it does make a difference. I found that it's not >enough to keep watching with the same degree >of penetration. I did that for a long time and >got nowhere. It's like doing ten pushups every >day -- you won't get stronger unless you keep >increasing the number. I found I had to keep going >deeper and deeper until something extraordinary >and unexpected happened. What do you mean by going deeper and deeper? >If my experience holds >true in general then being conscious as hell is only >a skill that has to be used as a tool for a certain >purpose. It must be used to look for something, >the source of your feeling of personal identity. How do I find the source? > > What can anyone say to help someone else > > realize the unrealizable. > >Some helpful things have been said to me by >the old books. That's why I take such an >interest in trying to understand them. > >Some other things that helped me were, having >people encourage me by telling me their experiences. >It made me feel like I could have the same >experiences. > >The thing that helped me most, hugely beyond >anything else in this realm, were the directions >for self-enquiry given by Ramana Maharshi. >I had meditated for 27 years before I ran >across them and could have (I think) meditated >for another 27 without a glimpse of enlightenment. >But self-enquiry has given me a glimpse and >changed my life. > >Regards, > >Rob What did self-enquiry show you? How did it change your life? More importantly, how can it change mine....:-), Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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