Another beauty from Nisargadatta

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What intelligence! What insight! What brilliance! Yet so simply put.

Compared to all those cryptic poems and sayings other mystics have spoken.

All this from a humble bidii seller! Never underestimate anybody.

 

Jan

 

Between the remembered and the actual there is a basic difference which can

be observed from moment to moment. At no point of time is the actual the

remembered. Between the two there is a difference in kind, not merely in

intensity. The actual is unmistakably so. By no effort of will or

imagination can you interchange the two. Now, what is it that gives this

unique quality to the actual? A moment back, the remembered was actual, in

a moment the actual will be the remembered. What makes the actual unique?

Obviously, it is the sense of being present. In memory and anticipation,

there is a clear feeling that it is a mental state under observation, while

in the actual the feeling is primarily of being present and aware. Wherever

you go, the sense of here and now you carry with you all the time. It means

that you are independent of space and time, that space and time are in you,

not you in them. It is your self-identification with the body, which, of

course, is limited in space and time, that gives you the feeling of

finiteness. In reality you are infinite and eternal. (516) - Nisargadatta

 

 

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With Love,

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Hi Jan,

 

Thanks for the beautiful quotes from

Nisargadatta Maharaj.

 

Have you run across any description he's

given of the moment of his realization? I'm

wondering if he describes it in the same way

as Sri Ramana does -- a moment in time when

the mind, having lost all thoughts, got pulled

into the heart and dissolved.

 

Rob

 

 

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" Jan Sultan " <swork

<sworkalpha

Friday, August 17, 2001 10:51 AM

Another beauty from Nisargadatta

 

 

> What intelligence! What insight! What brilliance! Yet so simply put.

> Compared to all those cryptic poems and sayings other mystics have spoken.

> All this from a humble bidii seller! Never underestimate anybody.

>

> Jan

>

> Between the remembered and the actual there is a basic difference which can

> be observed from moment to moment. At no point of time is the actual the

> remembered. Between the two there is a difference in kind, not merely in

> intensity. The actual is unmistakably so. By no effort of will or

> imagination can you interchange the two. Now, what is it that gives this

> unique quality to the actual? A moment back, the remembered was actual, in

> a moment the actual will be the remembered. What makes the actual unique?

> Obviously, it is the sense of being present. In memory and anticipation,

> there is a clear feeling that it is a mental state under observation, while

> in the actual the feeling is primarily of being present and aware. Wherever

> you go, the sense of here and now you carry with you all the time. It means

> that you are independent of space and time, that space and time are in you,

> not you in them. It is your self-identification with the body, which, of

> course, is limited in space and time, that gives you the feeling of

> finiteness. In reality you are infinite and eternal. (516) - Nisargadatta

>

>

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At 8/17/2001-06:09 PM, you wrote:

>Hi Jan,

>

>Thanks for the beautiful quotes from

>Nisargadatta Maharaj.

>

>Have you run across any description he's

>given of the moment of his realization? I'm

>wondering if he describes it in the same way

>as Sri Ramana does -- a moment in time when

>the mind, having lost all thoughts, got pulled

>into the heart and dissolved.

>

>Rob

 

Sorry Rob. I haven't heard about that.

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 Paul asked:

 

> Jan:

>

> Where did you find this quote? What is the meaning of 516 after the

> quote? I have the book I AM THAT. Is this in it?

 

 

If I may be allowed to answer the question, the quotes that Jan Sultan has

been posting lately are taken from the work ASMI, which took me a few years

to complete. In it I tried to make a compilation of Nisargadatta's teaching

by using only excerpts from his book I AM THAT. The excerpts are grouped

into the following chapters:

 

1. I am not this person, this body-mind, or any thing.

2. I am the Self, the Witness of Consciousness, pure Awareness.

3. The World exists only as a dream in my Consciousness

4. There is only one dreamer, the one Self, dreaming many dreams.

5. I alone am, the One, the Supreme.

6. The big cycle (The manifestation of the Absolute. The return to the

Absolute.)

7. The goal: Liberation through Self-Realization

8. The way to Self-Realization

9. Miscellaneous

 

Each of the quotes is followed by a number that refers to pages of the

edition of the book " I AM THAT " by Chetana (P) Ltd, Bombay, 1992.

 

The whole work can be seen on the following web site:

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/asmi.htm

 

Unluckily, this web version of my work has no graphics (some diagrams that I

made myself to make the contents a bit more clear), and it has some typos I

later corrected.

If anybody is interested in having a copy of the work (which is formatted

with WordPerfect), just tell me and I'll send it as an attached file (71

pages, 558 k).

 

I'm very happy that my work has helped a member of the list to find

insightful quotes by Nisargadatta and post them here, and I hope he will

continue to do so.

 

Miguel Angel Carrasco

macf12

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Thanks Miguel for this valuable resource.

[Guest guest]

Miguel,

 

I first read I Am That in India while Maharaj was still alive. Some

of Baba Muktananda's disciples had gone to him while Baba was

separated from them during his stay in Bombay, while he was

recovering from a heart attack.

 

When Baba, returned to the Ashram in Ganeshpuri people asked him many

questions concerning Maharaj, among which were these, " Baba,Is Maharaj

realized? " and " Is Maharaj a great Guru? " To both questions, Baba

answered that Maharaj was a great realizer and a true Guru, but he

appended his own question to each of his answers, which was, " But

what can he do for you? "

 

Baba was clearly directing his disciples, particularly his Western

disciples, to the truth that the Guru their own karma had brought

them to was the one who could be most effective in guiding them to

their own realization. I think he was also subtly refering to the

fact that they had already had Shaktipat, and that Maharaj didn't

specifically teach about the path of Kundalini.

 

As a " new " and somewhat extreme disciple of Baba's, I took this as

yet another one of his warnings against " spiritual promiscuity "

and ,as a result, never went into Bombay to meet Maharaj. I've always

regretted that I didn't take advantage of Maharaj's generous

availability to Westerners, but at least I missed him for reasons

that I know he would have understood and approved of.

 

By putting your organization of his work on the web you are

reflecting that same generosity that Maharaj showed us in his daily

life. Thanks. I've lost one book out of my 2 volume set somewhere in

my travels, So I'm particularly pleased to know that the other awaits

me in a new organization on your site. It is also a wonderful thing

that I can now direct others not only here to this site, but directly

to the words of Maharaj on yours.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

Nisargadatta, " Miguel Angel Carrasco " <macf12@w...> wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 Paul asked:

>

> > Jan:

> >

> > Where did you find this quote? What is the meaning of 516 after

the

> > quote? I have the book I AM THAT. Is this in it?

>

>

> If I may be allowed to answer the question, the quotes that Jan

Sultan has

> been posting lately are taken from the work ASMI, which took me a

few years

> to complete. In it I tried to make a compilation of Nisargadatta's

teaching

> by using only excerpts from his book I AM THAT. The excerpts are

grouped

> into the following chapters:

>

> 1. I am not this person, this body-mind, or any thing.

> 2. I am the Self, the Witness of Consciousness, pure

Awareness.

> 3. The World exists only as a dream in my Consciousness

> 4. There is only one dreamer, the one Self, dreaming many

dreams.

> 5. I alone am, the One, the Supreme.

> 6. The big cycle (The manifestation of the Absolute. The

return to the

> Absolute.)

> 7. The goal: Liberation through Self-Realization

> 8. The way to Self-Realization

> 9. Miscellaneous

>

> Each of the quotes is followed by a number that refers to pages of

the

> edition of the book " I AM THAT " by Chetana (P) Ltd, Bombay, 1992.

>

> The whole work can be seen on the following web site:

> http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/asmi.htm

>

> Unluckily, this web version of my work has no graphics (some

diagrams that I

> made myself to make the contents a bit more clear), and it has some

typos I

> later corrected.

> If anybody is interested in having a copy of the work (which is

formatted

> with WordPerfect), just tell me and I'll send it as an attached

file (71

> pages, 558 k).

>

> I'm very happy that my work has helped a member of the list to find

> insightful quotes by Nisargadatta and post them here, and I hope he

will

> continue to do so.

>

> Miguel Angel Carrasco

> macf12@w...