Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Gary wrote: Actually, Jung bases his whole theory of spirituality on the subconscious, though he calls it the unconscious to distinguish his view from Freud's. Jan: Can you please write more on this. Even though now I am shifting my focus away from my mind into the great silence. The subconscious mind and means to influencing it [autosuggestion and self-hypnosis] changed a nervous, weak, poor child into the opposite adult. --------------------- Gary: My perspective has the advantage of taking the obvious world seriously without taking it too seriously, and being able to assimilate enlightenment experiences within ordinary logic. As a corollary, it allows us to talk of degrees of enlightenment, which seems to accord with experience, rather than agree with San that you are either enlightened or you aren't, which smacks of some a priori conviction. BTW, before San has a heart attack over my referring to " experience " , I believe our differences are semantic. When he says enlightenment is not an experience, I agree, in the sense that enlightenment is not an ordinary experience. However, I use " experience " to mean a conscious event, in which case we can experience enlightenment . . . and do so in degrees. Jan: See Sandeep's reply to my post and my reply to it. Let me just say you are wasting your time trying to understand something which cannot be understood. Just quieten your mind whenever you can or increase Love in your heart and experience it for yourself. [The only way you can understand or explain the exquisite taste of a tree ripened mango is to taste it!] Here is a puzzle: Your self [small s] [body/mind/ego] can never become enlightened, whereas your Self [capital S] is already enlightened. So which self are you? A slight shift of perspective? ______________________ With Love, Cyber Dervish ```````````````````````````````````````` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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