Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 God is not in control. I am sure deep down 'you' knew that. Like a person spinning a top, God started this Universe to be a spectator/witness to what will enfold. To him it is just a highly sophisticated movie. He does not know the story line because there is non. Every enfolding second [of every being or non-being] is a thrilling surprise to Him. He does not interfere with the enfolding of this drama because that would mean no surprises. And anyway why should He interfere? All the pain, pleasure, happiness, suffering ... even the sadomasochism is being experienced by Him alone. There is no other. Even the game of 'God', religion, worship, prayers, etc. is part of the enfolding scenario, part of the unplanned drama. Even the person who prays and the one who is sure that prayers are answered is 'God " Himself. Whatever 'you' do 'God' cannot or will not favor 'you'. Just look around, statically whether you are a good person or an evil person, the misfortunes, illnesses, etc. fall blindly. Suffering is heaped on the already down trodden. There is no rhyme or reason to whom good luck or bad luck will fall. Everything is so intricately interconnected and interrelated that any 'interference' with the enfolding drama could affect everything and everyone. Then also human beings are only an insignificant speck in this enfolding Universe. The 'Movie Goer' would not even notice us, let alone our pleadings! :-) So the bad news is, prayers are not answered. There is nothing you can do about it, there is no 'free will'. Because there is no 'individual you'. The good news is that the suffering etc. are all experienced by 'you' = 'God'. Only God is, there is no other. [The ''you' or 'I' that you feel inside is 'God']. Convince me otherwise. ______________________ With Love, Cyber Dervish ```````````````````````````````````````` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Hi Jan, > He does not know the story line because there is none. There's a wonderful moment on a tape by Tony Parsons that I listened to over the weekend. (The wonderful Margit Jacob sent it to me. Hi Margit! Thanks Margit! ) Somebody asks Tony a question about whether God knows something and he says very gently, as if afraid he will unsettle her unbearably: " God doesn't know *anything.* God just is everything happening. " (Something like that, this is a very loose paraphrase.) You are writing here as if God is separate from the universe, and one piece of the universe, us, prays to another piece, God. But as you know, this is politically incorrect. The politically correct Advaitan view is that God is the universe, and the pieces of the universe are actually God in some illusionary way. Also, you say that things unfold for God. But the politically correct view is that God is outside time. There is no past or present or future for God, no unfolding. My own personal view of all this is that thinking about these things isn't going to help me realize the Self. What does seem to help is holding the conviction that my sense of doing things volitionally is an illusion. When I remember that fact -- I have observed for myself that it is a fact -- the mental doer vanishes and a glimpseful state opens. That's enough for me. Regards, Rob - " Jan Sultan " <swork <sworkalpha Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:13 AM God is not in control. > God is not in control. I am sure deep down 'you' knew that. > > Like a person spinning a top, God started this Universe to be a > spectator/witness to what will enfold. To him it is just a highly > sophisticated movie. He does not know the story line because there is non. > Every enfolding second [of every being or non-being] is a thrilling > surprise to Him. He does not interfere with the enfolding of this drama > because that would mean no surprises. And anyway why should He interfere? > All the pain, pleasure, happiness, suffering ... even the sadomasochism is > being experienced by Him alone. There is no other. > > Even the game of 'God', religion, worship, prayers, etc. is part of the > enfolding scenario, part of the unplanned drama. Even the person who prays > and the one who is sure that prayers are answered is 'God " Himself. > Whatever 'you' do 'God' cannot or will not favor 'you'. Just look around, > statically whether you are a good person or an evil person, the > misfortunes, illnesses, etc. fall blindly. Suffering is heaped on the > already down trodden. There is no rhyme or reason to whom good luck or bad > luck will fall. > > Everything is so intricately interconnected and interrelated that any > 'interference' with the enfolding drama could affect everything and > everyone. Then also human beings are only an insignificant speck in this > enfolding Universe. The 'Movie Goer' would not even notice us, let alone > our pleadings! :-) > > So the bad news is, prayers are not answered. There is nothing you can do > about it, there is no 'free will'. Because there is no 'individual you'. > The good news is that the suffering etc. are all experienced by 'you' = > 'God'. Only God is, there is no other. [The ''you' or 'I' that you feel > inside is 'God']. > > Convince me otherwise. > > > ______________________ > With Love, > Cyber Dervish > ```````````````````````````````````````` > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Hi Rob Great Writing and thinking. sometime when we do go through stres or tension, it does seem that there is a duality, but is probably only a perception, when there is always a non-duality. I am nver apart from the Lord, I am a part of Him always! Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 - raghunandan Realization Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:52 AM Re: God is not in control. Hi RobGreat Writing and thinking. sometime when we do go through stres or tension, it does seem that there is a duality, but is probably only a perception, when there is always a non-duality. San: Who observes this non-duality? Is not this observation, itself an 'act" in duality? ---- I am nver apart from the Lord, I am a part of Him always! San: In saying so, aren't you apart? Some two cents of wondering..... Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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