Enlightenment - Catherine Ingram & projections of the mind

[Guest guest]

Projections of the mind start only when the experiencing (or is it

non-experiencing? or better still 'experience without an

experiencer'?) is over and not while it is happening. They say that

the realized one and the deep sleeper has no projections.

 

Murali

 

Realization, " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> Experience of the real is another projection of the mind about the

real.

>

> For all experiences, no matter how profound or how mundane, can

only be within phenomenality.

>

> That which is not an experience, aaah well........

>

> Cheers

>

> Sandeep

>

[Guest guest]

Hiya Murali,

 

 

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murali

Realization

Friday, October 05, 2001 02:19 AM

Re: Enlightenment - Catherine Ingram & projections of the mind

 

Projections of the mind start only when the experiencing (or is it non-experiencing? or better still 'experience without an experiencer'?) is over and not while it is happening.

 

San:

What you are referring to is the recall of the moment passed.

 

Both the recall of the happening and what is happening in the moment are the expression of the conditioning-in-the-moment of the body-mind complex in question.

 

As an "output" to an "input".

 

Apperception, awakening, realization, or whatever is the latest fad that you wish to use, is not within this continuum.

 

Conceptually speaking.

 

They say that the realized one and the deep sleeper has no projections.

 

San:

If by that you mean the functioning through the conditioning-in-the-moment does not take place in a realized joker, it is not so.

 

Functioning continues whether through a sage or through a clown, moment to moment to moment.

 

So what's the difference?

 

In one there is identification of the impersonal functioning as "my" thinking, "my" doing, "my" feelings, etc etc while in the other there is only a witnessing of whatever is happening in the moment "through" itself, apperceived as impersonal functioning.

 

And when there is nothing to witness, conceptually call it the non-witnessing state,(for the sake of this dialogue), Aaah well, nothing can be said about it, including this very statement.

 

On being beseeched to say something about it, a concept arose--- Absence of the sense of presence AND the absence of the absence of the sense of presence.

 

The movement between witnessing and non-witnessing , in a sage, is the dance of the Totality.

 

Conceptually speaking.

 

Cheers

 

Sandeep

[Guest guest]

Had posted a reply yesterday on this! Surprised not to see it on the

list. Anyway, here is another one.

 

Yes! Almost.

 

They say, the realized one during his normal waking state functions

through a 'working mind' responding spontaneously to events. For him,

the 'thinking mind' is absent which is the one holding on from

thought to thought creating an apparent continuity and getting caught

up in the process of identifying, judging, evaluating, re-living etc.

 

And again they say, in an exalted state of samadhi, even

this 'working mind' is dissolved and what remains is just the

beingness, original and undivided.

 

And of course they also have said, nothing can be " SAID " about that.

 

This 'drop of experience' is worth....

 

 

Murali

 

 

Realization, " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> Hiya Murali,

>

> -

> murali@g...

> Realization

> Friday, October 05, 2001 02:19 AM

> Re: Enlightenment - Catherine Ingram &

projections of the mind

>

>

> Projections of the mind start only when the experiencing (or is

it

> non-experiencing? or better still 'experience without an

> experiencer'?) is over and not while it is happening.

>

> San:

> What you are referring to is the recall of the moment passed.

>

> Both the recall of the happening and what is happening in the

moment are the expression of the conditioning-in-the-moment of the

body-mind complex in question.

>

> As an " output " to an " input " .

>

> Apperception, awakening, realization, or whatever is the latest

fad that you wish to use, is not within this continuum.

>

> Conceptually speaking.

>

> They say that

> the realized one and the deep sleeper has no projections.

> San:

> If by that you mean the functioning through the conditioning-in-

the-moment does not take place in a realized joker, it is not so.

>

> Functioning continues whether through a sage or through a clown,

moment to moment to moment.

>

> So what's the difference?

>

> In one there is identification of the impersonal functioning

as " my " thinking, " my " doing, " my " feelings, etc etc while in the

other there is only a witnessing of whatever is happening in the

moment " through " itself, apperceived as impersonal functioning.

>

> And when there is nothing to witness, conceptually call it the

non-witnessing state,(for the sake of this dialogue), Aaah well,

nothing can be said about it, including this very statement.

>

> On being beseeched to say something about it, a concept arose---

Absence of the sense of presence AND the absence of the absence of

the sense of presence.

>

> The movement between witnessing and non-witnessing , in a sage,

is the dance of the Totality.

>

> Conceptually speaking.

>

> Cheers

>

> Sandeep