Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Hi Judi, This is so true. This used to be an exact portrait of me. I hope it's not so much anymore. Rob - " Judi " <judirhodes <TheEndOfTheRopeRanch > Cc: <Realization > Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:31 AM Always *Right* Are You? - Yeah, Right! > Osho: > > The wise ones of old had subtle wisdom and depth of understanding. > > What is depth of understanding? Depth of understanindg is when you can > stand in others' shoes, when you can see from others' eyes, when you can > feel from others' hands, when you can stand in others' being, at the > others' center, and look through him - how he feels, what he feels, what > he says. > > A man of knowledge is always blind, argumentative; he is always right > and the other is always wrong. He is always discussing; his discussions > become disgusting. He is always arrogant and always on the defensive. > He cannot understand anybody. Whatsoever you say he will deny - he will > say no because in no he knows there is power. Remember this: a man who > has not learned the power of saying yes is not yet wise. He goes on > saying no because whenever he says no he feels powerful. Have you felt > it? Just say no and you feel powerful. Say yes and you feel > surrenndered. Yes becomes difficult, so you go on contradicting > whosoever is saying anything. You are always right. > > How can this be possible? This whole world - so many consciousnesses, > so many ways of looking at life - all wrong, only you are right? This > seems to be a very very arrogant and violent outlook. A man of > understanding understands that somehow everybody has to be right in some > sense of other. > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Rob Sacks wrote: > > Hi Judi, > > This is so true. This used to be an exact > portrait of me. I hope it's not so much anymore. > > Rob > ************** Yes, well that's maturity. So learning then becomes NOT a matter of trying to be right, but rather seeing how we're wrong instead. It's a *turning* and going in the opposite direction. We learn from our mistakes in other words. Gurdjieff's teaching in a nutshell - " intentional suffering " . That's the direction we want to go. It's not pleasant of course, but that's the way the mop flops, what else is there to say? It's doing a 180 back to ourselves. In my own case what it came down to was saying to myself one night, now wait a minute here, I've got to be fucked up somehow, I'm doing something wrong here, because I'm really no better off than when I started and this hurts!! My whole premise on loving and goodness must be wrong, so I'm gonna stop right here and just chuck the whole thing and surrender. Fine, I lose. Now what am I gonna do? And that's when I started actually looking at myself to see what I was up to, what my life was *about*, very objectively. And that's when I saw that who I was was nothing but a suffering, seeking activity and there was no substance to it other than that. Well blow me down! Talk about being WRONG! You can't be anymore wrong than that! It's nothing BUT wrong. Anyway, that's what I'm talking about, it's about seeing how we're wrong instead of trying to be right. Realization in other words is a loss, not a gain. -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Dear Judi, > Gurdjieff's teaching in a nutshell - " intentional suffering " . > That's the direction we want to go. It's not pleasant of course, > but that's the way the mop flops, what else is there to say? And yet -- isn't there a tremendous relief in dropping the burden of proving that we're right all the time? > > Anyway, that's what I'm talking about, it's about seeing how we're > wrong instead of trying to be right. This sounds like a kind of yoga. > Realization in other words > is a loss, not a gain. Now there is a tee-shirt! Rob - " Judi " <judirhodes <Realization > Saturday, October 06, 2001 11:50 AM Re: Always *Right* Are You? - Yeah, Right! > Rob Sacks wrote: > > > > Hi Judi, > > > > This is so true. This used to be an exact > > portrait of me. I hope it's not so much anymore. > > > > Rob > > > ************** > Yes, well that's maturity. > So learning then becomes NOT a matter of trying to be > right, but rather seeing how we're wrong instead. > It's a *turning* and going in the opposite direction. > We learn from our mistakes in other words. > Gurdjieff's teaching in a nutshell - " intentional suffering " . > That's the direction we want to go. It's not pleasant of course, > but that's the way the mop flops, what else is there to say? > It's doing a 180 back to ourselves. > > In my own case what it came down to was saying to myself one night, > now wait a minute here, I've got to be fucked up somehow, I'm doing > something wrong here, because I'm really no better off than when > I started and this hurts!! My whole premise on loving and goodness must > be wrong, > so I'm gonna stop right here and just chuck the whole thing and > surrender. Fine, I lose. Now what am I gonna do? And that's when I > started actually looking at myself to see what I was up to, what my > life was *about*, very objectively. And that's when I saw that who > I was was nothing but a suffering, seeking activity and there was no > substance > to it other than that. Well blow me down! Talk about being WRONG! > You can't be anymore wrong than that! It's nothing BUT wrong. > > Anyway, that's what I'm talking about, it's about seeing how we're > wrong instead of trying to be right. Realization in other words > is a loss, not a gain. > > > -- > Happy Days, > Judi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Rob Sacks wrote: > > Dear Judi, > > > Gurdjieff's teaching in a nutshell - " intentional suffering " . > > That's the direction we want to go. It's not pleasant of course, > > but that's the way the mop flops, what else is there to say? > > And yet -- isn't there a tremendous relief in > dropping the burden of proving that we're > right all the time? > ******* Yes, it's getting that monkey of fear off your back so you can think striaght. It's not gonna feel good, but at least you can think straight wihtout the fear. So it hurts? At least you're dealing with the truth! That's the relief of it. So it hurts? So what? No one said it was gonna be easy. Or if they did, they're liars. > > > Anyway, that's what I'm talking about, it's about seeing how we're > > wrong instead of trying to be right. > > This sounds like a kind of yoga. > > > Realization in other words > > is a loss, not a gain. > > Now there is a tee-shirt! > *********** Go for it! Judi > Rob > > - > " Judi " <judirhodes > <Realization > > Saturday, October 06, 2001 11:50 AM > Re: Always *Right* Are You? - Yeah, Right! > > > Rob Sacks wrote: > > > > > > Hi Judi, > > > > > > This is so true. This used to be an exact > > > portrait of me. I hope it's not so much anymore. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > ************** > > Yes, well that's maturity. > > So learning then becomes NOT a matter of trying to be > > right, but rather seeing how we're wrong instead. > > It's a *turning* and going in the opposite direction. > > We learn from our mistakes in other words. > > Gurdjieff's teaching in a nutshell - " intentional suffering " . > > That's the direction we want to go. It's not pleasant of course, > > but that's the way the mop flops, what else is there to say? > > It's doing a 180 back to ourselves. > > > > In my own case what it came down to was saying to myself one night, > > now wait a minute here, I've got to be fucked up somehow, I'm doing > > something wrong here, because I'm really no better off than when > > I started and this hurts!! My whole premise on loving and goodness > must > > be wrong, > > so I'm gonna stop right here and just chuck the whole thing and > > surrender. Fine, I lose. Now what am I gonna do? And that's when I > > started actually looking at myself to see what I was up to, what my > > life was *about*, very objectively. And that's when I saw that who > > I was was nothing but a suffering, seeking activity and there was no > > substance > > to it other than that. Well blow me down! Talk about being WRONG! > > You can't be anymore wrong than that! It's nothing BUT wrong. > > > > Anyway, that's what I'm talking about, it's about seeing how we're > > wrong instead of trying to be right. Realization in other words > > is a loss, not a gain. > > > > > > -- > > Happy Days, > > Judi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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