Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 Dear Rob -- Truth is for those who can sustain " disillusionment " ... History and indentification intertwine to produce a " nation " ... The identifications that involve a country in a dictatorship are not so dissimilar with the identifications that form a democracy. It's the same " human being " , the first identifying with " one [strong] individual's kingship " , the other identifying with " having us all have [strong] individual " kingships " ... A king (or queen) can't be strong without others being less strong. This is why our democracy has traditionally, over and over, supported dictatorships " outside of our borders " that supported our control of their nations resources. The U.S. has trained other countries secret police in techniques of torture using the most modern technology. We've contributed actively to keeping so many dictators in power that it's hard to keep count, in South America, Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. We bemown their inability to function as democracies, but a democracy requires a strong and well-educated middle-class, which won't form in a country whose resources flow to the U.S., the profits from which movement are used to keep a ruling elite in power. -- Dan --- Rob Sacks <editor wrote: > Howdy Sandeep, > > > Every nation works from, primarily their own > > interests first. And then couches it in the > language > > of freedom, democracy, values, religion etc etc. > > I don't think this is true. Dictatorships act > mainly > in the interests of the dictators who rule them. > The > behavior of the Iraqi government for the last > ten years has been quite antithetical to the > interests of the Iraqi people. > > Your country, and mine, may act primarily from > their own interests. But that is because they > are democracies. > > Prattlelingly, > > Rob > > > > - > Sandeep Chatterjee > Realization > Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:19 AM > Re: Re: Non-duality in > Islam > > > Hiya Rob, > > - > Rob Sacks > Realization > Monday, October 08, 2001 11:09 PM > Re: Re: Non-duality in > Islam > > > Hi Sandeep, > > > " I think this is a very hard choice, but we > think > > the price is worth it. " -- Madeleine Albright > > Oh! Oh! Don't get me started on Madeleine > Albright. The > only good thing to be said for her is that God > made her > face look evil to make her nature more obvious. > > > San: > > LOL. > The US didn't need to browbeat anybody with > Cruise missiles or anything Stealth bombers during > that administration. > Just threaten to let loose MA and everybody > signed on the dotted lines. > > ----- > > > Clinton, > Albright, and Berger -- what a team! One of the > times > that my country most astonished me was when the > three > of them blew up the Sudanese pharmaceutical > factory -- a > place that makes medicine! -- secretly, without > consulting > the relevant branches of the government, and > nobody > in this country cared, and later, when it became > apparent > that they had no evidence at all that the place > made > nerve gas, it was still the case that nobody > cared. > > ------ > > San: > > Yes. > And it's not just the US. > Every nation works from, primarily their own > interests first. > And then couches it in the language of freedom, > democracy, values, religion etc etc. > Just that since if US sneezes, the whole world > catches cold, the US actions are far more catalytic > and encompassing. > > > > Where, about 8 years back, we had a terrorist > attack on > > 8-9 high rise buildings, about 30 odd floors > each, killing > > around 5,000 people and injuring around the > same additionally. > > The world did not launch any cruise missiles, > then. > > I didn't know this. > > San: > > Happened in 1993. > I was on the 21st floor of one such building. > > ------- > Bombay is a beautiful city. I was there for a > week in 1985. > Would love to visit again. > > San: > > Is that so? > In what connection was that visit? > > The Bombay of 1985 was indeed a high voltage > city and yet retaining it's charm. > However since then the population has trebled > and infrastructure actually reduced. > So it's now one big mess and a total chaos. > > > > > You see, it's somewhere out there, not back > home. > > Yes but sometimes the U.S. press develops a keen > > interest in certain events in certain countries. > India seems > always to be off the radar here. China, in > contrast, gets > a huge amount of attention here. Why is this? > I have > no idea. > > San: > > Around USD 250 Billion investment by the US > industry in China. > > It took India 2 decades to understand that USD > 250 Billion outweighs any Tinamenn Square, Human > rights, aggressive rhetoric, Tibet, Taiwan, etc etc. > > ---------- > > The Kashmir attack is so squarely on the news > target these > days that it seems impossible to ignore it. On > the other hand, > it doesn't fit the story line -- the U.S. is > probably refraining > from pressuring the Pakastani government from > doing anything, > so it interferes with the idea that we are > universally cracking > down on terrorism. > > San: > > Absolutely. > And as soon as the means adopted are in > discordance with the end (at least the stated ends) > you have a problem. > > For example, how will you differentiate between > a good terrorist attack and a bad terrorist attack? > > So the same Taliban when they were kicking the > Soviet ass were our good boys, there was a even a > movie- Rambo-III where Sylvester Stallone joins up > the Afghani mujhadeens to wipe out a Soviet command > in Afghanistan etc etc. > > They were the good boys, when they were stirring > up things in Chechnya and making it difficult for > the Russians. > > Look the other way, when from that same hub of > training centers, terrorists became freedom fighters > in Kashmir and over 30,000 lives have been lost > there, in the last decade or so. > > Or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine. > > Take Saddam Hussein, THE bad boy till OBL > dethroned him. > > === message truncated === Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. 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