The Sober Tongue of a Drunken Lover

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Realizers:

 

Below if my self-introduction to another online group. It occurred to me

that what I say might help explain where I've been coming from in my

previous postings to Realization.

 

Gary

 

> The Sober Tongue

> of a Drunken Lover

>

> Lyricists write rhymes,

> philosophers transpose minds,

> while lovers find the line

> where the two meet, greet,

> do something unheard of,

> and vanish. Outlandish?

> Or subtle divine?

> >

> - Tykal

>

Just having joined the group, I was wondering how to introduce myself when

Tykal's stanza appeared serendipitously in my mailbox. The postings I have

seen have all been poetic expressions of enlightenment or

enlightenment-related experiences. My writing is more analytical,

philosophical, which I hope you find complementary.

 

As I see it, the poetic speaks directly to the heart, but ambiguously. Take,

for example, Colette's online name of radiant love. This name could mean a

number of things. For example, it might be the chosen expression of someone

who is offering radiant love to her correspondents, someone who would like

to offer it if she could, someone who wants to encourage radiant love in all

of us, or someone who is just sentimental. (I say " just sentimental "

because, although sentiment has the virtue of expressing a yearning for

something good, it has the limitation of understanding little and so being

unable to cope with tough times.) Each of us in turn will hear Colette's

online name according to our own depth and complexity of understanding.

 

Poetic ambiguity is a two-edged sword. On the plus side, it allows each of

us to fit our experience to the expression. We don't have to know what

Colette had in mind in order for us to be nourished by her online name. In

addition, ambiguity allows many meanings to be packed together so that the

expression can be intensely evocative. On the negative side, however, we can

be left unwittingly sentimental rather than goaded to deepen our

understanding and strengthen our spirit. One function of philosophy is to

sort things out and goad us to discern more clearly the merely sentimental

from the genuinely profound and transformative.

 

Philosophy, then, is as essential for spiritual growth as is poetry. To

Lykal's point, true lovers must find the line where poetry and philosophy

meet. My hope is that in our correspondence we can help one another find

that line.

 

Best wishes,

 

Gary Schouborg

Performance Consulting

Walnut Creek, CA

garyscho

 

Publications and professional services:

http://home.att.net/~garyscho

 

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Realization, Gary Schouborg <garyscho@a...> wrote:

> Realizers:

>

> Below if my self-introduction to another online group. It occurred

to me

> that what I say might help explain where I've been coming from in my

> previous postings to Realization.

>

> Gary

>

> > The Sober Tongue

> > of a Drunken Lover

> >

> > Lyricists write rhymes,

> > philosophers transpose minds,

> > while lovers find the line

> > where the two meet, greet,

> > do something unheard of,

> > and vanish. Outlandish?

> > Or subtle divine?

> > >

> > - Tykal

> >

> Just having joined the group, I was wondering how to introduce

myself when

> Tykal's stanza appeared serendipitously in my mailbox. The postings

I have

> seen have all been poetic expressions of enlightenment or

> enlightenment-related experiences. My writing is more analytical,

> philosophical, which I hope you find complementary.

>

> As I see it, the poetic speaks directly to the heart, but

ambiguously. Take,

> for example, Colette's online name of radiant love. This name could

mean a

> number of things. For example, it might be the chosen expression of

someone

> who is offering radiant love to her correspondents, someone who

would like

> to offer it if she could, someone who wants to encourage radiant

love in all

> of us, or someone who is just sentimental. (I say " just sentimental "

> because, although sentiment has the virtue of expressing a yearning

for

> something good, it has the limitation of understanding little and so

being

> unable to cope with tough times.) Each of us in turn will hear

Colette's

> online name according to our own depth and complexity of

understanding.

>

> Poetic ambiguity is a two-edged sword. On the plus side, it allows

each of

> us to fit our experience to the expression. We don't have to know

what

> Colette had in mind in order for us to be nourished by her online

name. In

> addition, ambiguity allows many meanings to be packed together so

that the

> expression can be intensely evocative. On the negative side,

however, we can

> be left unwittingly sentimental rather than goaded to deepen our

> understanding and strengthen our spirit. One function of philosophy

is to

> sort things out and goad us to discern more clearly the merely

sentimental

> from the genuinely profound and transformative.

>

> Philosophy, then, is as essential for spiritual growth as is poetry.

To

> Lykal's point, true lovers must find the line where poetry and

philosophy

> meet. My hope is that in our correspondence we can help one another

find

> that line.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Gary Schouborg

> Performance Consulting

> Walnut Creek, CA

> garyscho@a...

>

*******

Yes, hi Gary. And you perfectly correct of course. What she and most

of these women on line are doing is simply " self " masturbatory

nonsense, like we can't see thru it? :-) It's simply masturbating

themselves is all it is. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be

hysterical. As my grandmother so aptly put it, " the heat of their ass

has their brains overpowered. " :-)

Here is a copy of a post of mine to another list in regards to this:

 

Gurdjieff:

> Without shame people will boast that they have

> loved, do love or hope to love. As if love were enough,

> or could cover any multitude of sins.

 

**** Yes, and if people would look closely at their " love " (sic),

they would discover that it's nothing BUT " self " - ishness,

a miserable suffering activity only, upon which their whole entire

" identity " , the nonsensical notion of being a separate person

revolves.

 

*That* is what " self " realization is all about.

 

It is NOT about " love " , it is NOT about " experience " , it is about

Understanding. That is all.

 

Need I say, there are no " others " , there is only Consciousness.

 

Does " all in your head " have any relevance here? Duh? :-)

 

Mind prison.

 

Judi