Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 In duality you have opposites. For example light and dark, happiness and suffering. But you need memory to think dualistically. Something is lighter than or darker than something else in memory. If, however, you live only in the now [in this moment]. There can be no duality! Which also means every perception is non-dualistic. It only becomes dualistic when the comparison with something in memory takes place. It follows that when you live only in the now [non-dualistically] where there is no comparison, no judgment, no acceptance or rejection, no past and no future ... think about it. It logically follows that in the now there can be no suffering [nor happiness]! In the now the ego which differentiates, which has likes and dislikes, etc. does not exist! You cannot be angry, hate or love someone, be jealous, be conceited, be greedy if there is no memory! You can only be a 'me' and have 'mine' when there is a past and a future, where there is me-mory! In the now, 'I' do not exist! The fleeting moment of perception is non-dualistic. However instantly that perception is analyzed by the mind and presented to us colored with our memory of it, it becomes unreal, a figment of our mind, its reality changed into what our mind can understand, confined to time and space. In other words the world we see is an invention of our mind and is restricted to time and space. What can we conclude from the above paragraph? Get rid of the mind. Still the mind. Let whatever that is in us that has the capacity to see beyond the four dimensions of time and space, see the reality? Your 'home' is in the now. In the now you cannot be homesick, lonely, lost, miserable, sad, depressed, have a feeling of not belonging, etc. All these moods, mind states, are based on me-mory. In the now there is just being, no doing. In the now there is total acceptance of 'what is'. Enlightenment is simply being in the now moment before the brain takes over and constricts and restricts everything into the limitations of time and space _______________________________ Just 'be', in the 'now'! Jan Sultan SufiMystic ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Realization, Jan Sultan <swork@a...> wrote: > In duality you have opposites. For example light and dark, happiness and > suffering. But you need memory to think dualistically. Something is lighter > than or darker than something else in memory. > > If, however, you live only in the now [in this moment]. There can be no > duality! Which also means every perception is non-dualistic. It only > becomes dualistic when the comparison with something in memory takes place. > > It follows that when you live only in the now [non-dualistically] where > there is no comparison, no judgment, no acceptance or rejection, no past > and no future ... think about it. It logically follows that in the now > there can be no suffering [nor happiness]! > > In the now the ego which differentiates, which has likes and dislikes, etc. > does not exist! You cannot be angry, hate or love someone, be jealous, be > conceited, be greedy if there is no memory! You can only be a 'me' and have > 'mine' when there is a past and a future, where there is me-mory! In the > now, 'I' do not exist! > > The fleeting moment of perception is non-dualistic. However instantly that > perception is analyzed by the mind and presented to us colored with our > memory of it, it becomes unreal, a figment of our mind, its reality changed > into what our mind can understand, confined to time and space. In other > words the world we see is an invention of our mind and is restricted to > time and space. > > What can we conclude from the above paragraph? Get rid of the mind. Still > the mind. Let whatever that is in us that has the capacity to see beyond > the four dimensions of time and space, see the reality? > > Your 'home' is in the now. In the now you cannot be homesick, lonely, lost, > miserable, sad, depressed, have a feeling of not belonging, etc. All these > moods, mind states, are based on me-mory. > > In the now there is just being, no doing. > In the now there is total acceptance of 'what is'. > Enlightenment is simply being in the now moment before the brain takes over > and constricts and restricts everything into the limitations of time and space > _______________________________ > Just 'be', in the 'now'! > Jan Sultan ......nice thoughts, Dear, but you can't be in the now, or not in the now. you cannot think or not think yourself into anything even remotely like the now. what is not now? it's like saying: " Oh, if i'm a very earnest lad i may eventually be embodied! " LOL!!! you make the now your object of desire, and then off you go on that merry chase or not-chase. HAAAAWWWWWW!!!! you cannot trick yourself into enlightenment. the one who is doing all this ripening or ego- depleting or relaxing, etc., is the very one which disappears when the now recognizes itself, so to speak (and only that). LOL!!!! the image of all this bother to " be in the now " ......!!!!! mind is so funny sometimes, eh? " What part of the river is the present part? What part is `Now'? Is it the part I stepped into, the part I lifted my foot from, or the part I am standing in now? But wait, that part I was standing in `now' is gone, and the one I can see coming is now. I wish the damn thing would just stop, so I could understand it and explain it to the boss. How can I be of any use to my owner if I can't explain things to him? And if I can't explain things to him, he will be lost and get scared, so I better get going and figure this out because I'm starting to get scared myself.......Nothing bugs me like not being able to explain things....I look so stupid. I know, I'll tell him to ask the Holy Spirit, and while he's doing that I'll have a chance to put on my holy spirit clothes, lower my voice so it sounds authoritative, and then I'll give him advice that he'll listen to because he believes I'm a separate entity. I'm so smart.....All I have to do is change my voice and he thinks it's a different thing. He's so easy! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Realization, Jan Sultan <swork@a...> wrote: In duality you have opposites. For example light and dark, happiness and suffering. But you need memory to think dualistically. Something is lighter than or darker than something else in memory. If, however, you live only in the now [in this moment]. There can be no duality! Which also means every perception is non-dualistic. It only becomes dualistic when the comparison with something in memory takes place. It follows that when you live only in the now [non-dualistically] where there is no comparison, no judgment, no acceptance or rejection, no past and no future ... think about it. It logically follows that in the now there can be no suffering [nor happiness]! In the now the ego which differentiates, which has likes and dislikes, etc. does not exist! You cannot be angry, hate or love someone, be jealous, be conceited, be greedy if there is no memory! You can only be a 'me' and have 'mine' when there is a past and a future, where there is me-mory! In the now, 'I' do not exist! The fleeting moment of perception is non-dualistic. However instantly that perception is analyzed by the mind and presented to us colored with our memory of it, it becomes unreal, a figment of our mind, its reality changed into what our mind can understand, confined to time and space. In other words the world we see is an invention of our mind and is restricted to time and space. San: It was beautiful till here.<s> --- What can we conclude from the above paragraph? Get rid of the mind. San: Who is to do that? ------ Still the mind. San: The nature of the mind is restlessness. To still the mind, is like to thrash about the muddy water, to settle the mud. The very attempt to still, is the disturbance. ------ Let whatever that is in us that has the capacity to see beyond the four dimensions of time and space, see the reality? San: The " us " being a cognized object, cannot " become " the subject. That notional usurpation of subjectivity, is the very bondage, the very misery. And Noumenon (Total subjectivity) having no trace of objectivity cannot be objectivized, for it to be seen, cognized, realized, experienced, perceived, etc etc. ----- Your 'home' is in the now. In the now you cannot be homesick, lonely, lost, miserable, sad, depressed, have a feeling of not belonging, etc. All these moods, mind states, are based on me-mory. San: Indeed. The " me " for which " homesick " or " having reached home " , lonely or not- lonely, lost or " having reached " , miserable or enlightened, the 'me " to which all this is relevant, that " me " is not, in the moment. In the moment, all that is, IS the functioning of Impersonality, call it the actualizing of the Divine Will, exactly as the moment appears to be.. Thus the notion of the moment being the " home " , who is have this notion, in the moment, Jan? ------- In the now there is just being, no doing. San: Yes, conceptually. ---- In the now there is total acceptance of 'what is'. San: In the now, what is, IS, there being none to accept or to reject. " I am that I am " prattled the dude to Moses ---- Enlightenment is simply being in the now moment before the brain takes over and constricts and restricts everything into the limitations of time and space. San: Since, in the " now " there is no " me " to be enlightened (only to a 'me " is enlightenment relevant, isn't it?), is not enlightenment also a concept? Some conceptual two bits..... Zip-A-Dee-Dah-Doo or if you prefer, Duma Duma Dum Deega Deega Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Realization, sandeepc@b... wrote: > In the now, what is, IS, there being none to accept or to reject. > > Zip-A-Dee-Dah-Doo > > or if you prefer, Duma Duma Dum Deega Deega .......prefer? LOL!!!!! U da bomb! Ka-booooommmmmmmmmm...........!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , sandeepc wrote: > Imagine yourself standing in a huge hall where there are billions of > mirrors. > > Each mirror has a different curvature, is placed at a different > angle, is made up of slightly different chemical compositions, such > that each of your images are different in each of the mirrors. > > And imagine you had the power to and you did bestow the quality of > sentience to each of the images. > > Whereby each " image " assumed it was the subject, cognizing, noting, > loving, hating, being indifferent to all the other images. > > That except itself, all other images were objects, of which it, was > the subject. > > Each image " thinks " this and believes it is observing all the other > characters, relating to them, out of it's free will, out of it's > choice. > > > And you start dancing, the Doooo Beeeee Dooooooo > > > Sandeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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