Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > A wonderfully-told tale, HeartbeatSeven! > Hey, are you by any chance related to the > well-known sage, OceansEleven? .......SevenEleven does have a certain ring to it, eh? reminds me of the time i stopped in for directions at one of those omnipresent quickstops, but the cashier didn't seem to notice me, because she was wearing headphones. eventually i reached over and lifted off the phones from her head and she gagged and suddenly dropped dead on the floor! i listened to what was on the tape through her headphones, and there was a voice repeating: " Now, like, breathe in. OK! Cool! Now, like, you know, breathe out! Cool! Now, like, breathe in..... " > > At any rate, your insightful rendering of > fine enlightenment stories reminds > me of the awakening of the great teacher > Darho Thi. She was said to have come > to a perfect understanding after her > search along an endlessly spiralling path > led her to realize she never really left home. > Her understanding came at the instant she heard > the sound produced by her own shoes, leading her > to ask the now well-worn koan: " What is the sound > of one heel clicking? " ......ah, the old soft shoe! One of her students remarked, > upon the instant of knowing, " But it all seemed so > real. You were there. And you, and you. " ....as i suspected, knowing is more confusing than not knowing! > > Peace, > Dan Peace Dan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Hi SevenEleven, Thanks for sharing your reminiscence, it is as timely as it is timeless. SevenEleven does have a certain ring, and it also sounds mythic in a hobbitish sort of way, something like Sven Elven ... Knowing wouldn't be knowing if it weren't more confusing than not-knowing or knowing. Those who know don't speak, and those who don't know speak knowingly, and words that aren't confusing direct people to something they already think they know. Namaste, Evenodd > ......SevenEleven does have a certain ring to it, eh? > reminds me of the time i stopped in for directions at one of those > omnipresent quickstops, but the cashier didn't seem to notice me, > because she was wearing headphones. eventually i reached over and > lifted off the phones from her head and she gagged and suddenly > dropped dead on the floor! i listened to what was on the tape through > her headphones, and there was a voice repeating: > > " Now, like, breathe in. OK! > Cool! > Now, like, you know, breathe out! > Cool! > Now, like, breathe in..... " > > > > > > At any rate, your insightful rendering of > > fine enlightenment stories reminds > > me of the awakening of the great teacher > > Darho Thi. She was said to have come > > to a perfect understanding after her > > search along an endlessly spiralling path > > led her to realize she never really left home. > > Her understanding came at the instant she heard > > the sound produced by her own shoes, leading her > > to ask the now well-worn koan: " What is the sound > > of one heel clicking? " > > > .....ah, the old soft shoe! > > One of her students remarked, > > upon the instant of knowing, " But it all seemed so > > real. You were there. And you, and you. " > > > > ...as i suspected, knowing is more confusing than not knowing! > > > > > Peace, > > Dan > > Peace Dan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Hi SevenEleven, > > Thanks for sharing your reminiscence, it is > as timely as it is timeless. > > SevenEleven does have a certain ring, and it > also sounds mythic in a hobbitish > sort of way, something like Sven Elven ... > > Knowing wouldn't be knowing if it weren't > more confusing than not-knowing or knowing. > > Those who know don't speak, and those who > don't know speak knowingly, and words that > aren't confusing direct people to something > they already think they know. > > Namaste, > Evenodd > ......without a doubt, i certainly agree with you, i think, maybe perhaps, so to speak! those who post might confuse the ghost for the host, but those who toast the inevitable roast are the ones who usually post the most, though not necessarily from the coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 > .....without a doubt, i certainly agree with you, i think, maybe > perhaps, so to speak! > those who post might confuse the ghost for the host, but those who > toast the inevitable roast are the ones who usually post the most, > though not necessarily from the coast. sometimes I know and think ah yes but it all works out -- that is I think I disagree come, let me take you down, cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields, nothing's unreal, so nothing to get hung about ... Yes, I took the liberty of changing a word, but words do that (change when you're not looking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Realization, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Well, Bob, > > There just might be no choice but to drop > > dual and nondual altogether! > > > > > .....Dan, my Man: > > > Non-dual does not mean not dual! > > > ...Haha, Danny Boy! > > Dropping ashes on the Buddha! > > which reminds me of a little story: > > Bing Go was one of the greatest Zen Masters during the Song Dynasty > in China. > When he was twenty years old, his teacher gave him a koan: > 'Where was I before I was born, and where will I go after I die'. > He later wrote that, as he pondered the question, he felt altogether > dazed by his own delusions. > > After three years passed and Bing Go was unable to attain any break- > through, he went to see the famous Zen Master Shor Am. Bingo told him > of his failure to penetrate the koan, and asked for his help. > 'We have been told', said the Master, 'that all beings have Buddha- > nature. This is the teaching of all Buddhas, past, present, and > future. However, when a monk came to Zen Master Rin Tin and asked if > dogs have Buddha-nature, Rin Tin said `No!'. What does this `No' > mean?' > Bing Go was speechless. As he struggled to come up with an answer, > the Master took his cane and whacked him a good one on the shoulder, > and then kicked him out. > > Frustrated and nursing a bruised collarbone, Bing Go returned to his > temple. He couldn't get Shor Am's question out of his mind when > suddenly, like a match lit in a dark cave, an awakening spread until > it filled his whole being. The answer to his original koan was now > crystal clear. > The next day, as he was working in the monastery fields, Shor Am came > to visit. He said: > 'Good Morning. How is your search coming along?' > Bing Go replied: > 'If a man stops searching, he will surely find what he is looking > for. " > Quickly the master grabbed him by his shirt and shouted: > 'Who is dragging this corpse around?'. > Although Bing Go had understood the question perfectly, he again went > drop-jaw and could only stare like a moron. > The Master pushed him away and left. > > The poor guy was so troubled by this new failure that he couldn't > sleep for days. Then, one night, his first teacher appeared to him in > a dream and asked: > If you've been drinking beer all day long, why do you still claim you > haven't touched a drop?' When he woke up, he found that all his > doubts and confusion had coalesced into one mass, which weighed on > his heart like a huge rock. For five days he walked about in a > stupor. On the sixth day he wandered into the great hall of the > monastery, where the monks happened to be commemorating the death of > the fifth patriarch of the I' Tchi school. For the occasion, they had > hung up a portrait of the patriarch, on which he himself had > inscribed the following stanza: > > After all is said and done > I've finally got a hunch – > when all is said and done > for most > it all comes down to > `What's for lunch?' > > As Bing Go read the last word, a realization burst upon him. > 'At that moment', he later wrote, 'I felt as if the whole universe > had been chopped up into tiny pieces and the whole earth leveled > flat. There was no I, there was no world. It was like one mirror > reflecting another. I asked myself several koans, and the answers > were transparently clear.' > > The next day he went to see Shor Am. > The Master asked him: > 'Who is dragging around this lifeless body of yours?' > Bing Go shouted: `Wahoo!' > The Master took hold of his stick, but Bing Go snatched it out of his > hand and said: > `No way, man – you can't touch this today!' > Shor Am asked: > 'Why not?'. > Bing Go got up and walked out of the room. > > Some time later, another Zen Master visited Bing Go and said: > 'Congratulations, I hear you have attained the great enlightenment'. > Bing Go smilingly replied: > 'Thank you.' > The Master asked: > 'Can you maintain this state at all times?' > 'Yes, indeed'. > 'While you are working, or sleeping, or dreaming?' > 'Yes, even in dreams'. > 'How about in dreamless sleep, where there is no sight or sound or > consciousness. Where is your enlightenment then, Pal?' > Seeing that Bing Go couldn't answer, the Master said: > `Son -- let me give you a little piece of advice: when you are > hungry, eat. When you are tired, rest. The minute you wake up every > morning, ask yourself: > `Who is the master of this body, and where does he hang out?'. > This ought to clear things up for you.' > > Bing Go went to work on this question without interruption, even > skipping breakfast sometimes. One day, after about five years or so, > a friend invited him along on a pilgrimage up north somewhere. On > their way they stopped off at a motel. Exhausted, the friend fell > asleep immediately. Bing Go sat in a corner and meditated. At one > point, his friend farted in his bed. Bing Go heard the noise, his > mind blew, and the whole universe was flooded with daisies. He > understood not only his own koan, but all the koans handed down by > Ixnay and the patriarchs. He felt like a distant traveler who had > finally come home. At this moment of great awakening, he composed the > following stanza: > > > 'The man who has come to this > is the man who was here from the beginning. > He does what he always did. > Nothing has changed, except > now, I have a good idea for a game!' Ahh fart wisdom! Thankyou Venerable Heartbeaterr. :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Realization, " pearlshimmerpeace " <rivercrystal@h...> wrote: > :-)) ....So, what's up, Sweetie? Love, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Realization, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > Realization, " pearlshimmerpeace " <rivercrystal@h...> > wrote: > > > :-)) > > > ...So, what's up, Sweetie? > > Love, > > b :-) chase my smile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Realization, " pearlshimmerpeace " <rivercrystal@h...> wrote: > > :-) chase my smile ....smile chases smile :-) ah (-: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Realization, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > Realization, " pearlshimmerpeace " <rivercrystal@h...> > wrote: > > > > :-) chase my smile > > > ...smile chases smile > > :-) ah (-: ((( ))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Realization, " pearlshimmerpeace " <rivercrystal@h...> wrote: > Realization, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > > Realization, " pearlshimmerpeace " <rivercrystal@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > > :-) chase my smile > > > > > > ...smile chases smile > > > > :-) ah (-: > > ((( ))) ....... Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Realization is not to be had by a realizer. If the realizer isn't put there to realize something, who will know about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Realization is a non-movement, such that the mover is not, and therefore nothing to move or move through. With no mover into and through reality, realization is only reality as-is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 The crisis of understanding is when understanding is understood to be incapable of yielding any understanding. The reality that is realized when this crisis is resolved, is the reality which needn't be understood, but which is understanding itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > The crisis of understanding > is when understanding is understood > to be incapable of yielding any > understanding. > ****** Exactly. The game of going nowhere in circles, just for the " hell " of it. > The reality that is realized > when this crisis is resolved, > is the reality which needn't > be understood, but which > is understanding itself. ***** Yes, the discovery is that we are it, have been all along. Help, I've ascended and I can't get down! :-) Do I hear an amen? :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Realization, " judirhodes " <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > The crisis of understanding > > is when understanding is understood > > to be incapable of yielding any > > understanding. > > > ****** Exactly. The game of going nowhere in circles, just for the > " hell " of it. > > > The reality that is realized > > when this crisis is resolved, > > is the reality which needn't > > be understood, but which > > is understanding itself. > > ***** Yes, the discovery is that we are it, have been all along. > Help, I've ascended and I can't get down! :-) > > Do I hear an amen? :-) > > Judi Yes, amen. I want to discover it so much. Or so I say. Not really, though. Because all my attempts to discover it, are just part of my effort to have my self ... so now I will try to have myself as discoverer of reality. How beautiful! Not!! Maybe someone will write my name in a book, a book of realizers perhaps ... Dan, he discovered reality ... Not! I love all the talk, though, like, " when you're awake, then you're like this ... " Yes, only someone who discovered reality could talk like that ... Not!! Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Realization wrote: Realization, "judirhodes" wrote:> Realization, "dan330033" wrote:> > The crisis of understanding> > is when understanding is understood> > to be incapable of yielding any> > understanding.> > > ****** Exactly. The game of going nowhere in circles, just for the > "hell" of it. > > > The reality that is realized > > when this crisis is resolved,> > is the reality which needn't> > be understood, but which> > is understanding itself.> > ***** Yes, the discovery is that we are it, have been all along.> Help, I've ascended and I can't get down! :-)> > Do I hear an amen? :-)> > JudiYes, amen.I want to discover it so much.Or so I say.Not really, though.Because all my attempts to discover it,are just part of my ef! fort to have myself ... so now I will try to havemyself as discoverer of reality.How beautiful!Not!!Maybe someone will write myname in a book, a book ofrealizers perhaps ...Dan, he discovered reality ...Not!I love all the talk, though,like, "when you're awake,then you're like this ..."Yes, only someone who discoveredreality could talk like that ...Not!!Love,Dan..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses:Post message: Realization Unsubscribe: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ rammohan rmmishra Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.comBuy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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