Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 Enlightenment isn't a happening. Someone must be there to know that a happening has happened, who may then describe what the experience of that happening is like, or may have a memory of it. No sense of a happening, no center from which to know about a happening, no way for a memory of it to form. What is illuminating is only illuminating itself, by and as its very nature. With nothing else there, there is no object to cast a shadow, and no one to know how brilliant it is. Dan > So illuminating. More please! > > Mary-Ellen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Hi Dan, If that is the case, enlightenment has no real meaning. Either it is not there at all or it is always there. Since both cases are permanent what is the point in this apparent hue and cry for enlightenment? An 'enlightened sage' has to be a self contradiction. So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! Murali Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Enlightenment isn't a happening. > > Someone must be there to know that > a happening has happened, who may > then describe what the experience > of that happening is like, or may > have a memory of it. > > No sense of a happening, no center from > which to know about a happening, > no way for a memory of it to form. > > What is illuminating is only illuminating > itself, by and as its very nature. > > With nothing else there, there is no object > to cast a shadow, and no one to know > how brilliant it is. > > Dan > > > > So illuminating. More please! > > > > Mary-Ellen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 murali_mel wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > If that is the case, enlightenment has no real meaning. Either it is > not there at all or it is always there. Since both cases are > permanent what is the point in this apparent hue and cry for > enlightenment? > > An 'enlightened sage' has to be a self contradiction. > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! > > Murali > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, and then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch http://www.livingston.net/allison/sacred01.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Hi Murali -- > If that is the case, enlightenment has no real meaning. Either it is > not there at all or it is always there. Since both cases are > permanent what is the point in this apparent hue and cry for > enlightenment? The hue and cry for enlightenment is the attempt to avoid death. > An 'enlightened sage' has to be a self contradiction. If not avoiding death, I have no use for an enlightened sage, and no concern about whether or not it's a contradiction. > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! Party on until that's not working for you. Then, maybe it'll be time to take a decisive look :-) Or not :-) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, and > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > > > -- > Happy Days, > Judi Right -- if you can believe that you can put it off for twenty years, by all means ... party on ... I mean, that's what's going on here on planet Earth right? Just a big fun party for those who don't need to worry about stupid things like reality? :-) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > The hue and cry for enlightenment is the attempt to avoid death. > If you to don't care about death, it's all just partying. Including death. > > An 'enlightened sage' has to be a self contradiction. > > If not avoiding death, I have no use for an enlightened sage, > and no concern about whether or not it's a contradiction. Are you concerned about anything? If yes, there is suffering. If no, it is partying. > > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! > > Party on until that's not working for you. > Then, maybe it'll be time to take a decisive look :-) > Or not :-) > Partying is not 'for' any purpose. It is just for the heck of partying itself. That includes all activities - spritual or mudane. And non-action as well. Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Realization, " murali_mel " <murali@g...> wrote: > Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > The hue and cry for enlightenment is the attempt to avoid death. > > > > > If you to don't care about death, it's all just partying. Including > death. It's not all just partying, unless there is one trying to see it as partying. Can someone get concerned about someone else claiming enlightenment and seeming to be claiming some kind of superiority? And then pretend to be unconcerned? Looking into the concerns about someone else's perceived claims of superiority, one finds the fear of insignificance, of being less than. And within that fear is the fear of death, of being nothing, having nothing, knowing nothing. One sees directly what is, openly and clearly, fearlessly, honestly -- or not. Can one who is looking honestly at human life on planet Earth be talking about how it's all a party? You are this life, this planet expresses. There is great and deep beauty, yes. There is immense consciousness and compassion, yes. And this in no way ignores the suffering, nor the reality that is death. > > > An 'enlightened sage' has to be a self contradiction. > > > > If not avoiding death, I have no use for an enlightened sage, > > and no concern about whether or not it's a contradiction. > > > > Are you concerned about anything? If yes, there is suffering. If no, > it is partying. Yet -- a lack of concern isn't wisdom. The pose of unconcern may be a way for the self to prove to itself that it is together, is enjoying itself. > > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! > > > > Party on until that's not working for you. > > Then, maybe it'll be time to take a decisive look :-) > > Or not :-) > Partying is not 'for' any purpose. It is just for the heck of > partying itself. That includes all activities - spritual or mudane. > And non-action as well. Purposelessness isn't partying. Purposelessness is the highest enjoyment, and is not about having a good time. The purpose of partying is the attempt to have an enjoyable experience, to maintain an attitude of revelry. Nonaction is not an attempt, and not an experience. Purposelessness has nothing to prove, nothing to assert about its attitude or point of view. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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