Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, and > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > > > -- > Happy Days, > Judi Hi Judi, But, please stay un-enlightened until I come back so that there will be some Judi left around for me to tell the secret. :-) Happy days to you too. Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > *** I'd take a deep look into that smart ass attitude of yours if I was > you. > > Judi When I took a real deep look inside, I saw you there Judi!!!! Love. Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 murali_mel wrote: > > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, > and > > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > > > > > > > -- > > Happy Days, > > Judi > > Hi Judi, > > But, please stay un-enlightened until I come back so that there will > be some Judi left around for me to tell the secret. :-) > > Happy days to you too. > > Murali > > *** I'd take a deep look into that smart ass attitude of yours if I was you. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > ***** You see folks, if you haven't realized that underneath > > everything > > that you're doing is nothing but suffering itself, you're not even on > > first base. > > > > Enlightenment is about realizing your suffering, it is NOT about > > realizing " God " or some " Something Else " . > > > > If you think it is, you have been ignorantly led down a path by > > shuckters. > > > > I am here to tell you. > > > > > *** And I also realize that some people just cannot bear it, so for > them, their lives are spent *partying* and *indulging* themselves in a > myriad of ways, in avoidance. > Let's go watch tv, let's read some more books, let's fuck, let's go > check out the latest guru, let's meditate, let's smile some more, let's > whatever!! All the same - suffering. > > Buddha's first noble truth - life is but suffering. > > That's identity folks!! Very true Judi. Buddha and you (what a team!) CALL this suffering. I (poor me) CALL all this partying.... Any difference? Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 > > > > > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! > > > > Murali > > > > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, and > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > ***** You see folks, if you haven't realized that underneath everything that you're doing is nothing but suffering itself, you're not even on first base. Enlightenment is about realizing your suffering, it is NOT about realizing " God " or some " Something Else " . If you think it is, you have been ignorantly led down a path by shuckters. I am here to tell you. -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch http://www.livingston.net/allison/sacred01.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > **** Needless to say, you're dreaming. Oh... You know that now! Yes of course. " I am " dreaming. That's all what it is. All these suffering or partying. So we both agree on that at least, that " I am " dreaming. Thanks. Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Judi Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! > > > > > > Murali > > > > > > > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, > and > > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > > > > ***** You see folks, if you haven't realized that underneath > everything > that you're doing is nothing but suffering itself, you're not even on > first base. > > Enlightenment is about realizing your suffering, it is NOT about > realizing " God " or some " Something Else " . > > If you think it is, you have been ignorantly led down a path by > shuckters. > > I am here to tell you. > > *** And I also realize that some people just cannot bear it, so for them, their lives are spent *partying* and *indulging* themselves in a myriad of ways, in avoidance. Let's go watch tv, let's read some more books, let's fuck, let's go check out the latest guru, let's meditate, let's smile some more, let's whatever!! All the same - suffering. Buddha's first noble truth - life is but suffering. That's identity folks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 murali_mel wrote: > > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > *** I'd take a deep look into that smart ass attitude of yours if I > was > > you. > > > > Judi > > When I took a real deep look inside, I saw you there Judi!!!! > > Love. > > Murali > **** Needless to say, you're dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > **** You have a " we " business problem. If you can ever get over your > " we " business, maybe you'll learn a thing or two about yourself. Can't help it Judi. Without a " we " how can I party and you suffer? Having said that let me mention one more thing. Even if Judi digs in a dagger into this throat, my love for you will never stain a bit as there is an understanding here that you are nothing but " I am " . With that love let's party and suffer at the same time. Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 murali_mel wrote: > > > > Very true Judi. Buddha and you (what a team!) CALL this suffering. > > I (poor me) CALL all this partying.... > > Any difference? > > Murali **** That's the $64,000 qustion that only you can answer for yourself. No one can give you any answers to your life. How ridiculous! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 murali_mel wrote: > > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > > **** Needless to say, you're dreaming. > > Oh... You know that now! > > Yes of course. " I am " dreaming. That's all what it is. All these > suffering or partying. > > So we both agree on that at least, that " I am " dreaming. > > Thanks. > > Murali > **** You have a " we " business problem. If you can ever get over your " we " business, maybe you'll learn a thing or two about yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 murali_mel wrote: > > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > > **** You have a " we " business problem. If you can ever get over > your > > " we " business, maybe you'll learn a thing or two about yourself. > > Can't help it Judi. ** Lord helps those who help themselves. I want no part of your silly games. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 > Hi Judi, > > But, please stay un-enlightened until I come back so that there will > be some Judi left around for me to tell the secret. :-) > > Happy days to you too. > > Murali Murali -- Can it be a secret that the sky is blue? Who will keep this a secret? :-) Will the sky keep one of its clouds unenlightened, so it can then give it the secret later? :-) == Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > murali_mel wrote: > > > > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > > > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, > > and > > > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Happy Days, > > > Judi > > > > Hi Judi, > > > > But, please stay un-enlightened until I come back so that there will > > be some Judi left around for me to tell the secret. :-) > > > > Happy days to you too. > > > > Murali > > > > > *** I'd take a deep look into that smart ass attitude of yours if I was > you. > > Judi In other words, self-confrontation is the name of the game. There isn't any other self to be confronted here :-) And no one else to help with it, either :-) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! > > > > > > Murali > > > > > > > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or so, and > > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > > > > ***** You see folks, if you haven't realized that underneath everything > that you're doing is nothing but suffering itself, you're not even on > first base. > > Enlightenment is about realizing your suffering, it is NOT about > realizing " God " or some " Something Else " . > > If you think it is, you have been ignorantly led down a path by > shuckters. > > I am here to tell you. Just looking honestly at yourself. Calling it enlightenment is mere packaging, a way to sell religious paraphernalia and figureheads :-). There's nothing to be gained by looking honestly at what is. Just what is. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Realization, " murali_mel " <murali@g...> wrote: > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > *** I'd take a deep look into that smart ass attitude of yours if I > was > > you. > > > > Judi > > > When I took a real deep look inside, I saw you there Judi!!!! > > Love. > > Murali Uh, oh. I think you better take a deeper look! I saw Judi there, too, and it turned out to be a mirage ... Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Realization, " murali_mel " <murali@g...> wrote: > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > > **** You have a " we " business problem. If you can ever get over > your > > " we " business, maybe you'll learn a thing or two about yourself. > > Can't help it Judi. Without a " we " how can I party and you suffer? Okay -- so let's look into this partying and suffering, then. There isn't any " we " who can look into it, it's the " me " who makes the " we " ... > Having said that let me mention one more thing. Even if Judi digs in > a dagger into this throat, my love for you will never stain a bit as > there is an understanding here that you are nothing but " I am " . Judi didn't invent death. She's not to blame for the way this is. Why focus on Judi -- she's just an image appearing on an e-mail list? > With that love let's party and suffer at the same time. When the " I " tries to have what it likes, that's partying. When the " I " tries to get away from what it doesn't like, or eliminate it, that's suffering. The " I " can't keep its partying, so its partying is suffering. There's no way not to keep on suffering, as long as one is alive. Gautama simply commmented on what he honestly noticed going on. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 > > Calling it enlightenment is mere packaging, a way > > to sell religious paraphernalia and figureheads :-). > > > ***** :-) By the way, have you sent for your bundt pan yet? :-) Order now, while the supplies last! :-) > James came up with this idea of playing religious " TicTacToe " > and we're gonna package 5 Sacred Bundt Pans with 5 crucifixes and then > instead of suicide bombing the Xtians, all you got to do is > get 3 SBP's in a row and no one gets hurt! :-) Just be careful not to scratch your bundt pan with your crucifix! > > There's nothing to be gained by looking > > honestly at what is. > > > **** Tell me about it! :-) LOL Nah -- you've told all about it, and does anybody listen? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > Realization, Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party! > > > > > > > > Murali > > > > > > > > > > ****** Ok, you run along and party for say, oh, 20-30 years or > so, and > > > then can come back and tell us what we're doing here? OK? > > > > > > > > ***** You see folks, if you haven't realized that underneath > everything > > that you're doing is nothing but suffering itself, you're not even > on > > first base. > > > > Enlightenment is about realizing your suffering, it is NOT about > > realizing " God " or some " Something Else " . > > > > If you think it is, you have been ignorantly led down a path by > > shuckters. > > > > I am here to tell you. > > Just looking honestly at yourself. > **** Yes, absolutely. > Calling it enlightenment is mere packaging, a way > to sell religious paraphernalia and figureheads :-). > ***** :-) By the way, have you sent for your bundt pan yet? :-) James came up with this idea of playing religious " TicTacToe " and we're gonna package 5 Sacred Bundt Pans with 5 crucifixes and then instead of suicide bombing the Xtians, all you got to do is get 3 SBP's in a row and no one gets hurt! :-) > There's nothing to be gained by looking > honestly at what is. > **** Tell me about it! :-) LOL > Just what is. > > Dan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 OMG LOL!!!! > James came up with this idea of playing religious " TicTacToe " > and we're gonna package 5 Sacred Bundt Pans with 5 crucifixes and then > instead of suicide bombing the Xtians, all you got to do is > get 3 SBP's in a row and no one gets hurt! :-) Just be careful not to scratch your bundt pan with your crucifix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > > > > There's nothing to be gained by looking > > > honestly at what is. > > > > > **** Tell me about it! :-) LOL > > Nah -- you've told all about it, and does anybody > listen? > > -- Dan > **** Nope, it's not so much that they can't, but they refuse. They love begging for their scraps. :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: Hi Dan, > Murali -- > > Can it be a secret that the sky is blue? > Who will keep this a secret? :-) The secret is that no one is doing anything here. And 20-30 years later is, here now. Does an enlightened entity (so to say) care for any secrets? By the way the word 'secret' was used in the context of this dialogue just to replace " tell us what we are doing here " . > > Will the sky keep one of its clouds unenlightened, > so it can then give it the secret later? :-) > The sky has no interest in any of the clouds. It is what is. Always. Clouds come an go. It seems that the clouds are after something. And some who think they have achieved something think they are in some way superior to others. And when it rains, it is all water returning to water... Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Uh, oh. > > I think you better take a deeper look! > > I saw Judi there, too, and it turned > out to be a mirage ... > > Dan Yes Dan. Murali, Judi, Dan all are mirages. Just appearances. There is a limit on how deep " I " can look. Beyond that no mirage, no I, no you. Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Okay -- so let's look into this partying and suffering, then. > There isn't any " we " who can look into it, > it's the " me " who makes the " we " ... > Yes indeed. Apparently. I myself is one appearance thinking it is Murali who is striving, achieving, suffering, partying etc. etc. And that which runs the show through Murali is appearing as Judi or Dan and letting those apparent entities think that thery are striving, achieving, suffering, partying etc. etc. If I am just an " appearance " who is afraid of death? I was never born and will never die. If you are not afraid of death, what good enlightenment can bring to you or what you lose by being un-enlightened? The partying will go on as it goes on now, irrespective of what you try to do or try not to do. > > Having said that let me mention one more thing. Even if Judi digs > in > > a dagger into this throat, my love for you will never stain a bit > as > > there is an understanding here that you are nothing but " I am " . > > Judi didn't invent death. > She's not to blame for the way this is. Of course not. With the above said understanding how can I blame anybody for anything? Acceptance is the only option and natural. > > Why focus on Judi -- she's just an image > appearing on an e-mail list? > Who else you think Murali is? > When the " I " tries to have what it likes, that's partying. > When the " I " tries to get away from what it doesn't like, > or eliminate it, that's suffering. > The " I " can't keep its partying, so its partying is suffering. > No. All what there is, is partying. Including suffering and death. Partying of that which is bored of being 'alone', appararently manifesting itself into multitude. And here is a wave attempting to realize the ocean! > There's no way not to keep on suffering, as long as one > is alive. Gautama simply commmented on what he > honestly noticed going on. > > > Dan True. There is no way out. So why bother. That's why I said in the first place, " Let's go party " Now, shall we start all over again? <LOL> Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Please take me off your mailings. rschaub - Judi Rhodes <judirhodes <Realization > Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:07 AM Re: Re: Not a happening -- Partying > For your consideration, from my webiste: > > > Judi wrote: > > Simply going along indulging yourself in life doesn't cut the mustard. > Every idiot and their brother does that. Nothing new there. Realization, > if there is to be any, lies in a specific process, which is > intelligence, which has nothing to do with indulgences, or the lack of > them. > > Bruce wrote: > > Right, and that intelligence can't be measured with an IQ test either > -- the world is awash in high-IQ fools fascinated by their own shallow > cleverness much like an ape entertaining itself by playing with its own > dung! > > Krishnamurti often referred to intelligence that had nothing to do > with the activity of thought. It's like the Cher character in > " Moonstruck " yelling out " Get over it! " The " it " in this case is that > which craves indulgence or exults in its supposed absence. > > > -- > Happy Days, > Judi > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch > http://www.livingston.net/allison/sacred01.htm > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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