Not a happening -- Concern

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Hi Dan,

 

An understanding of suffering does not end the apparent suffering.

 

Understanding of the one who is suffering does not end the apparent

suffering.

 

Suffering (partying, actions or whatever you name it) goes on.

Whether the one acting is an enlightened sage or a dumb headed clown.

 

One can take account of these actions, try to change or achieve and

be miserable or happy depending on the outcome. Or, one may stay

dispassionately letting things happen the way they happen, utterly

unconcerned of anything. In total acceptance. That does not stop any

action from being taken place, mind you. Actions happen

automatically, when required. Compassion, clarity, fearlessness,

honesty etc. etc. happen automatically.

 

But there again, since all these entities are just appearance, all

these statements have any meaning in that context only. Can a

dialogue ever possible beyond that level? <s>

 

 

 

Now, about your invention that there is a concern about being

insignificant in front of an enlightened entity (so to say for the

third time!). If that is your understanding, then so be it. I am

the least concerned. <LOL>

 

 

 

Dan, when I say partying on this realization list, I do not mean

having a good time. All activities including good and bad a

becomes 'partying'. A celibration. Acceptance. Surrender.

 

In total acceptance there is no purpose for anything hence there is

nothing to prove.

 

 

Murali

 

Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> Realization, " murali_mel " <murali@g...> wrote:

> > Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> > >

> > > The hue and cry for enlightenment is the attempt to avoid death.

> > >

> >

> >

> > If you to don't care about death, it's all just partying.

> Including

> > death.

>

> It's not all just partying, unless

> there is one trying to see it as partying.

>

> Can someone get concerned about someone

> else claiming enlightenment and seeming to

> be claiming some kind of superiority?

>

> And then pretend to be unconcerned?

>

> Looking into the concerns about someone

> else's perceived claims of superiority,

> one finds the fear

> of insignificance, of being less than.

>

> And within that fear is the fear of death, of

> being nothing, having nothing, knowing nothing.

>

> One sees directly what is,

> openly and clearly, fearlessly, honestly -- or not.

>

> Can one who is looking honestly at human life

> on planet Earth be talking about

> how it's all a party? You are this life,

> this planet expresses.

>

> There is great and deep beauty, yes.

>

> There is immense consciousness and compassion, yes.

>

> And this in no way ignores the suffering, nor

> the reality that is death.

>

>

> > > > An 'enlightened sage' has to be a self contradiction.

> > >

> > > If not avoiding death, I have no use for an enlightened sage,

> > > and no concern about whether or not it's a contradiction.

> >

> >

> >

> > Are you concerned about anything? If yes, there is suffering. If

> no,

> > it is partying.

>

> Yet -- a lack of concern isn't wisdom.

>

> The pose of unconcern may be a way for the self

> to prove to itself that it is together,

> is enjoying itself.

>

> > > > So what the hell are we doing here then? Let's go party!

> > >

> > > Party on until that's not working for you.

> > > Then, maybe it'll be time to take a decisive look :-)

> > > Or not :-)

>

> > Partying is not 'for' any purpose. It is just for the heck of

> > partying itself. That includes all activities - spritual or

> mudane.

> > And non-action as well.

>

> Purposelessness isn't partying.

> Purposelessness is the highest enjoyment,

> and is not about having a good time.

>

> The purpose of partying is the attempt

> to have an enjoyable experience,

> to maintain an attitude of revelry.

>

> Nonaction is not an attempt, and not

> an experience.

>

> Purposelessness has nothing to prove,

> nothing to assert about its attitude

> or point of view.

>

> -- Dan