Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 - dan330033 Realization Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:36 PM "I" activity Knowing beyond thought, when thoughts about causality arise, they simply arise and depart. No "I" is constructed because the dilemma of "I" is now seen through.******** Right, and *I* is nothing more than a "tacky dilemma". :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 > Hi. Hi. Nice to hear from you. > I am new member. Self realization has been been something I have constantly seeked.I know that the search will end when I stop seeking. You can't stop seeking, because you are the activity called seeking. It could also be called trying to establish someone as existing. >I think what really comes between us and self realization is the " I consciousness " . It's an activity, the " I-activity. " There's no real consciousness to it, just an attempt to exist, to place consciousness in a position, with a lot of thought and emotion getting triggered off. >Krishnamurty called it the image. Yes. It's an image in the sense that it's an attempt to have oneself as an object, something that can be seen, known, felt. >Transcending the image is the problem because the image is you. So suicide is the answer. Dying to what is false isn't suicide. It's just the ending of an attempt to establish an existence you never had. Suicide would mean you can kill yourself, but you can't. An image can't kill an image. >Self suicide. If it could eliminate itself, it would really exist. What has never really existed doesn't need to be destroyed. It is simply seen that it never really was " had " ... >Well the truth is it can't be that bad because the self is the cause of all our sorrow. The self is an imagined cause, and thinking there is this cause is the suffering you are talking about. Thoughts about self are uncaused, as is everything. Thinking in terms of cause and effect is a way that thought tries to control events. This kind of thinking manufactures an " I " , because if thought is using causation to control events, there must be an " I " that is causing thought to do this, right? Wrong! But thought can't know this. It is knowing beyond thought. Knowing beyond thought, when thoughts about causality arise, they simply arise and depart. No " I " is constructed because the dilemma of " I " is now seen through. > So R amana I think actually suggested a way this could be done.He said keep still. Keeping still is remaining with the I feeling and not getting caught in a thought pattern. There is no way for me to get beyond I. That is because " I " is the attempt to get somewhere. Trying to get beyond " I " is just another thing to maintain the " I " -attempt. The attempt is " I " ... Stillness is when you realize that you are not an activity. You are not a cause of anything, nor are you able to make an attempt to be someone. Peace. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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