Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 Dear Ashok Amen ...... Amin ........ Aum ...... Hum ....... ......... Love ------- Jerrio --------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Is kindness the antidote to cruelty? : Is it possible that our kindness can heal the cruelty of another and enrich both of us? If it is, why are we conditioned to react with an eye for an eye? We are cruel when we are in anguish or hatred. We are in anguish or hatred for a variety of reasons. Yet, the fundamental misconception is that the cause of our anguish or hatred is outside ourselves. We are in circumstances that we don't like and cannot change. In this anguish,we hold another responsible for our plight. We blame the system, we blame politicians, we blame a certain religion, we blame the sun for shining too brightly, we blame the birds for chirping too loud. In all these, what causes our own anguish is the hatred within our own mind. Our minds are merely a maze of learnt notions and expectations. They have all the error and limitation of finite experience. In life, we constantly encounter the unknown. Every moment, life unfolds in various ways, many of which we cannot foresee. In this encounter with the unknown, we face the resistance of our own crystallized notions. The experience is infinite, the instrument that should enable the experience is finite. Its like a 60 watt bulb being given a power of 200 watts. We just cant cope. The result is anger, anguish and hatred. We are, in our moments of anguish and hatred, simply out of our minds. We are actually on our knees , crying for help. We are pulling out our own hair in frustration and pain. This enormous frustration and helplessness is often the root of cruelty and hatred. We have been conditioned to act, to be courageous. The force of societal pressure calls us to conform , to appear heroic, to write history. In the hysterical hype and rhetoric that can consume entire nations, sanity and free opinion is the first casualty. An independent thinker may be called a unpatriotic or anti national. Such is the enormous pressure of our societal conditioning, the undercurrents of blind forces at work. In this scenario, men are often caught and compelled to act in a fatal attraction. Like the moth rushes into the flame to ensure its own destruction, we are often drawn to hatred, to violence, to anger and to cruelty. In this, eventually, we are planting the seeds of our own destruction. Life is often paradoxical. The ironies are striking. We seek to be different and walk beaten tracks. We act in haste, in confusion, in anguish, in anger, in compliance with mass hysteria, in our need for social acceptance and approval. We act to avoid ridicule, to avoid rejection, to avoid a moment of humiliation. Yet, our thought and action perpetuate the pattern that has created them. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. We only succeed in planting more and more hatred in ourselves and others. In seeking to correct fools, we become one ourselves. A flame is not extinguished by pouring oil into it. Similarly, cruelty can never be overcome by pouring more cruelty on it. Whether we have sinned or have been sinned against, only kindness and love can heal the scars of anger, hatred and cruelty within us. It matters little whether I am the aggressor or the victim. In either case, I am a victim of hatred, cruelty, anguish and anger. As a victim, the only antidote to my own pain is love. We are often conditioned to respond with an eye for an eye. We fight to protect our image. Are images real? Do we need to fight to defend mere notions? Are we victims of our own delusions? Are we caught in a net of our own making? Are we trapped in the very hatred that we seek to remove? Like a man sinking in quicksand, is my every effort only driving me deeper? These are the questions that need to be asked and answered. Not in board rooms and conference halls but deeply, within our own minds. Has our cruelty been transformed by receiving hatred? Or, have we become more ruthless, more cunning, more mercenary in our cruelty? How then can we hope to transform another by cruelty and hatred? How can we transform another by force? Having led the horse to the water, how can we make it drink? In our inflated notions of our own importance, in the rigidity of dead notions, we are imprisoned and burdened. We are caught in a web of self inflicted cruelty. The only way out is to feel our pain completely. The only way to heal our pain is by love. With a greater and greater love for ourselves and each other. In loving with an intensity that overlooks all differences, our pain is healed and transformed. In this transformation, is the light of timeless awareness and eternal victory. Ashok Gollerkeri. ashok_gollerkeri SharingForSelfEnquiry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Dan Kindness is the answer to your cruelty....... When you become God realized... then and only then !, ....will you understand all this wisdom being sent your way with kindness and patience from the beings on this site..... your rudeness makes me have more compassion for you..... why don't you surrender that spirit that nothing can be known..... and start beginning to know....... ------------------ Jerrio -------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Dan You can play your game as you wish..... but the others reading should know instinctively by your vibes... that your real intention is to disrupt others with pedantic talk about nothing that goes nowhere in the direction of the one truth........................even my grandma used to say.... If you don't have anything good to say............ Shut Up !........ Jerrio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 - ASHOK GOLLERKERI Realization Monday, October 07, 2002 2:24 AM Is kindness the antidote to cruelty? The only way out is to feel our pain completely. The only way to heal our pain is by love. With a greater and greater love for ourselves and each other. ***** You're deluded my friend! There is no "way out". Nonsense! You're just playing with your-self and calling it "love". "Self" serving nonsense my friend. Take a look at that why don't you? Happy Days,Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htmTheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 To Judi and Dan ( who are probably one and the same ) I knew I could bring out your TRUE COLORS....... now maybe the Universe can help you change...in spite of yourself... you've been exposed as an isness of life..... just like excretion is an isness of life...... but excretion serves a higher purpose... what's your purpose ?......whether you agree or not...... you will have to evolve to a higher kinder awareness of all..... if not this life, well in your case it may take thousands of more lives till you get it !...... I care for you as a being , but I'm no fool.... even a poison bug needs to be gotten rid of for the greater good....... You come on like one of those bugs ! ............ Jerrio ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 > ***** You're deluded my friend! There is no " way out " . Nonsense! > You're just playing with your-self and calling it " love " . " Self " serving nonsense my friend. > Take a look at that why don't you? > > > Happy Days, > Judi Hi Judi -- I can't afford to look at that, because then I'll lose all the spiritual self-esteem I managed to pump myself up with my enlightened messages to myself. Happy Ways, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Realization, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > ***** You're deluded my friend! There is no " way out " . > Nonsense! > > You're just playing with your-self and calling > it " love " . " Self " serving nonsense my friend. > > Take a look at that why don't you? > > > > > > Happy Days, > > Judi > > Hi Judi -- > > I can't afford to look at that, > because then I'll lose all > the spiritual self-esteem I managed > to pump myself up with my enlightened > messages to myself. > > Happy Ways, > Dan ******* Yep, this guy reeks of it! Pompeisity everywhere is in need of a good pummelling! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Jerrio -- One who is looking at " nothing to know " with a mind full of concepts, is unwilling to drop the mind of knowledge, thus keeping self from " totality " ... Unable to recognize true kindness when it is offered. Believing self to be kind and realized, one is thus stuck with the self-belief of being kind and realized. How tragic! Yet, of course, anything that disturbs the sleep in conceptuality and belief is labelled as " rudeness " ... -- Dan Realization, QJproductions@a... wrote: > Dan > > Kindness is the answer to your cruelty....... When you become God realized... > then and only then !, ....will you understand all this wisdom being sent your > way with kindness and patience from the beings on this site..... your > rudeness makes me have more compassion for you..... why don't you surrender > that spirit that nothing can be known..... and start beginning to know....... > > ------------------ Jerrio -------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Kindness and cruelty are truths in this reality, and as such vary from person to person, and situation to situation. An iced drink to someone in the desert is a kindness, and to someone in the Polar Regions a cruelty. Each individual must define and act out of the knowledge of their own path. Gelf I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. dan330033 [dan330033] Monday, October 07, 2002 11:57 AM Realization Re: Is kindness the antidote to cruelty? Jerrio -- One who is looking at " nothing to know " with a mind full of concepts, is unwilling to drop the mind of knowledge, thus keeping self from " totality " ... Unable to recognize true kindness when it is offered. Believing self to be kind and realized, one is thus stuck with the self-belief of being kind and realized. How tragic! Yet, of course, anything that disturbs the sleep in conceptuality and belief is labelled as " rudeness " ... -- Dan Realization, QJproductions@a... wrote: > Dan > > Kindness is the answer to your cruelty....... When you become God realized... > then and only then !, ....will you understand all this wisdom being sent your > way with kindness and patience from the beings on this site..... your > rudeness makes me have more compassion for you..... why don't you surrender > that spirit that nothing can be known..... and start beginning to know....... > > ------------------ Jerrio -------------------------- ...........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.org By sending a message to this list, you are giving permission to have it reproduced as a letter on http://www.realization.org ................................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Realization, QJproductions@a... wrote: > Dan > You can play your game as you wish..... but the others reading should know > instinctively by your vibes... that your real intention is to disrupt others > with pedantic talk about nothing that goes nowhere in the direction of the > one truth........................even my grandma used to say.... If you don't > have anything good to say............ Shut Up !........ > > Jerrio ***** You were called on your little cutsie *spiritual* game and you don't like it. So why not just fess up and take it like a man! And btw, what kind of a little faggot name is Jerrio, sounds like your " grandma " gave you that name alright! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Realization, " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Realization, QJproductions@a... wrote: > > Dan > > You can play your game as you wish..... but the others reading > should know > > instinctively by your vibes... that your real intention is to > disrupt others > > with pedantic talk about nothing that goes nowhere in the > direction of the > > one truth........................even my grandma used to say.... If > you don't > > have anything good to say............ Shut Up !........ > > > > Jerrio > > ***** You were called on your little cutsie *spiritual* game and you > don't like it. So why not just fess up and take it like a man! And > btw, what kind of a little faggot name is Jerrio, sounds like > your " grandma " gave you that name alright! > > Judi *** Youth and exuberance are no match for age and treachery! :-) Rev. Helen Hiwater, D.D., " Straighten up and bow down, there's noooo way around it! " Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Realization, QJproductions@a... wrote: > To Judi and Dan ( who are probably one and the same ) > > I knew I could bring out your TRUE COLORS....... now maybe the Universe can > help you change...in spite of yourself... you've been exposed as an isness of > life..... just like excretion is an isness of life...... but excretion serves > a higher purpose... what's your purpose ? ***** To piss you off, what else? :-) .......whether you agree or not...... > you will have to evolve to a higher kinder awareness of all..... if not this > life, well in your case it may take thousands of more lives till you get it > !...... I care for you as a being , but I'm no fool.... even a poison bug > needs to be gotten rid of for the greater good....... You come on like one of > those bugs ! ............ ******* Run for your life! :-) Judi Jerrio ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Ladies and gentlemen, I'd appreciate it if people would stop posting insults, nasty remarks, condescending personal advice, etc. Most mail lists have rules against this sort of thing. If messages of this sort keep appearing here I will have to ferret out the screen on where my powers as moderator are exercised and figure out some action to be taken such as deleting messages. Given my tremendous laziness I would really prefer not to have to bother, so please, give me a break, give everybody a break, and follow the normal conventions. Thanks a bunch. -- Rob (wearing his moderator mask) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Jerrio -- The projected other, which seems like the root of all difficulties, is actually necessary to keep the self-image continuing. The self which identifies with kindness and spirituality needs the other which it identifies as rude and ignorant. Placing the self in contention with the other maintains the self-image of spirituality and knowledge. Where no other is, no contention is perceived, and no self-image can be maintained. " To set good against evil is the sickness of the mind " S'eng S'an. -- Dan Realization, QJproductions@a... wrote: > Dan > You can play your game as you wish..... but the others reading should know > instinctively by your vibes... that your real intention is to disrupt others > with pedantic talk about nothing that goes nowhere in the direction of the > one truth........................even my grandma used to say.... If you don't > have anything good to say............ Shut Up !........ > > Jerrio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Hi Jerrio -- No, I'm not Judi -- she speaks for herself. You lost me at the point that you said that while you believe in universal love you see others as excretions, who need to be gotten rid of like poison bugs. That kind of comment must be a reflection of where you're at in what you believe is your spiritual journey over lifetimes. I wish you well with it -- but it will certainly need to involve a look into self at some point. -- Dan Realization, QJproductions@a... wrote: > To Judi and Dan ( who are probably one and the same ) > > I knew I could bring out your TRUE COLORS....... now maybe the Universe can > help you change...in spite of yourself... you've been exposed as an isness of > life..... just like excretion is an isness of life...... but excretion serves > a higher purpose... what's your purpose ?......whether you agree or not...... > you will have to evolve to a higher kinder awareness of all..... if not this > life, well in your case it may take thousands of more lives till you get it > !...... I care for you as a being , but I'm no fool.... even a poison bug > needs to be gotten rid of for the greater good....... You come on like one of > those bugs ! ............ Jerrio ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Hi Rob -- Agreed. -- Dan Realization, " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > I'd appreciate it if people would stop posting > insults, nasty remarks, condescending personal > advice, etc. > > Most mail lists have rules against this sort of > thing. If messages of this sort keep appearing > here I will have to ferret out the screen on > where my powers as moderator > are exercised and figure out some action to be > taken such as deleting messages. Given my > tremendous laziness I would really prefer not > to have to bother, so please, give me a break, > give everybody a break, and follow the normal > conventions. Thanks a bunch. > > -- Rob (wearing his moderator mask) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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