Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 The contraction that is taken as self, as independent existence, as having, as separation -- has never been separate, never been independent, never been a self. It has been dependent and conditioned activity of birth/death all along. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 Hi Dan, What can we do with this information? The contraction says fine, I believe you, this is true -- then it continues to " exist " and suffer. At least, that is what seems to be happening here. Rob - " dan330033 " <dan330033 <Realization > Monday, November 11, 2002 9:55 AM Contraction > The contraction that is taken as self, as independent > existence, as having, as separation -- has > never been separate, never been independent, never > been a self. > > It has been dependent and > conditioned activity of birth/death all along. > > -- Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 Hi Rob -- Yes. Doing anything with it, is just a strategy, a way to try to manage, to get an outcome -- assuming something could be done, that there could be control. We need to differentiate between what one can do something with, and what one can't do something with. One can do something with regulating stress, managing relationships, altering thought patterns, breathing, and so on. In all of those management activities, there is the contraction involved in the doing, in the management attempt. Contraction is the doer and the doing, so there won't be something to be done with it. It tries to get away from itself, or have itself and control itself, and so perpetuates itself -- which is called " human life, " leading Buddha to observe that " life is suffering. " There is now only clarity that is the issue. Clarity in which the interdependent arising of any moment of thought, sensation, contraction, life as an individual or group, is evident. This clarity is beyond contraction, beyond thought, beyond doing or identity. It is not fighting with contraction, managing it, wanting to get somewhere with it, or get out of it. This clarity does not have a place in the story called " human life, " because it is the ending of any focus on/as an individual or group human life, as such (which is a focus generated by contraction and attempts to manage or control). So, my answer is: be this clarity which you are, prior to any experience of contraction, prior to making any attempt -- so for you as this, contraction is not an issue to be for or against, to be mistaken as one's own or someone else's -- and so is not one's being, generates no focus or center. -- Dan Realization, " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > Hi Dan, > > What can we do with this information? The > contraction says fine, I believe you, this is > true -- then it continues to " exist " and suffer. > > At least, that is what seems to be happening > here. > > Rob > > - > " dan330033 " <dan330033> > <Realization> > Monday, November 11, 2002 9:55 AM > Contraction > > > > The contraction that is taken as self, as independent > > existence, as having, as separation -- has > > never been separate, never been independent, never > > been a self. > > > > It has been dependent and > > conditioned activity of birth/death all along. > > > > -- Dan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 the term "the contraction" is new to me. what does it refer to? is it as simple as was stated: contraction is the doer and the doing? thanks jeff dan330033 [dan330033]Monday, November 11, 2002 10:05 AMRealization Subject: Re: ContractionHi Rob --Yes.Doing anything with it, is just a strategy, a way to try to manage, to get an outcome -- assuming something could be done, that there could be control.We need to differentiate between what one can do something with, and what one can't do something with. One can do something with regulating stress, managing relationships, altering thought patterns, breathing, and so on. In all of those management activities, there is the contraction involved in the doing, in the management attempt.Contraction is the doer and the doing, so there won't be something to be done with it.It tries to get away from itself, or have itself and control itself, and so perpetuates itself -- which is called "human life," leading Buddha to observe that "life is suffering."There is now only clarity that is the issue.Clarity in which the interdependent arising of any moment of thought, sensation, contraction, life as an individual or group, is evident. This clarity is beyond contraction, beyond thought, beyond doing or identity.It is not fighting with contraction, managing it, wanting to get somewhere with it, or get out of it.This clarity does not have a place in the story called "human life," because it is the ending of any focus on/as an individual or group human life, as such (which is a focus generated by contraction and attempts to manage or control).So, my answer is: be this clarity which you are, prior to any experience of contraction, prior to making any attempt -- so for you as this, contraction is not an issue to be for or against, to be mistaken as one's own or someone else's -- and so is not one's being, generates no focus or center.-- DanRealization, "Rob Sacks" <editor@r...> wrote:> Hi Dan,> > What can we do with this information? The> contraction says fine, I believe you, this is> true -- then it continues to "exist" and suffer.> > At least, that is what seems to be happening> here.> > Rob> > - > "dan330033" <dan330033>> <Realization>> Monday, November 11, 2002 9:55 AM> Contraction> > > > The contraction that is taken as self, as independent> > existence, as having, as separation -- has> > never been separate, never been independent, never> > been a self.> > > > It has been dependent and > > conditioned activity of birth/death all along.> > > > -- Dan> >..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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