Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Hi fellow listers .. it seems a recent posting of mine - the "peace" sites - has caused some kerfuffle on this list! I didnt post them as a dedicated spiritual offering as such, someone sent them to me and I had a few quiet minutes looking at the magnificent photos in these inspirational verses .. it was the vision I wanted to share more than the verses, there is one photo there of a wave (amazing water energy) which just blew me away .. so the opportunity to take a few quite moments to reflect, and to see some lovely vision were the reasons I sent them. I will be even more careful in future about what I post to this list ) Judi .. I joined this list in early January at a time when I was beginning to feel very lost. The two pagan lists I was a member of were becoming increasingly boring to me, I needed more stimulation - people to make me think about the important questions - not endless questions from newbies about which spell for what. Incidentally Ive never thought of myself as a pagan, I just found a lot of my friends were pagans and I like hanging out with them as they are generally really nice/interesting/loving people. Im relatively new to the spiritual path, it intensified for me after nearly dying in 1995. My "lostness" has intensified in the 10 weeks Ive been here .. not because of this list! Rather, I feel like Im undergoing a dark night of the soul at this time in my life. When I read the introduction for this list: (Realization · A place for people to talk about their experiences while enlightenment is happening.) I thought maybe this group might be an interesting place to be, so I joined. After posting my first real contribution about my personal experiences (waking from a deep sleep to an unusual experience) I received this reply from you ......... **** Sounds like a case of Pace Picante's Extra Hot Chunky Salsa. :-) I dont have much to say about this .. except I wasnt expecting it! Then, after I asked a sincere question to Dan, came your next pounce on me .. that what I offered to the group was "nonsense" and you very kindly pointed out to me that I have an intense war going on inside myself. Well Judi I didnt need you to tell me, guess what, I already know .. it is one of the reasons why I joined this group! ********* He told him to gird up and fight, which is what Dan is doing here to your holier than thou "peace" nonsense. Catch a clue and see that your "peace" is nothing but the demonstration of the war going on within yourself. .. Judi Ive thought a lot about your responses Judi .. and now I see in a recent post you have a 19 year old son in Iraq .. I have a 16 year old son so I can see where youre coming from now, and why you chose to attack my peaceful offerings. Luckily (for me) my son is a pacifist (like me) .. and he will never go to war .. even if it means going to jail, and if it were possible I would go to jail for him, gladly. Jail is a very appealing option when you consider the other option .. being sent/ordered to murder other people .. when murder is something you just cannot find in your psyche. Anyway, my point is Judi .. and Midge .. before pouncing on other unsuspecting niave people, just consider that they may be here to learn, and yes, they may be lost and hurting, and they may not be as far up the realization ladder as you are, so please take a minute to think about what youre writing and what positive contribution it offers to that person's growth. Rob .. thankyou for apologising and putting on your moderator hat .. I do see it is the same as in any community, people are what they are and you just have to let it all flow over you sometimes .. Im just a novice at this realisation stuff, here to learn and glean what I can from all the members, also hopefully offer something from my own heart now and again .. blessings to all on this beatiful day .. hoping for another storm tonight! ... deb x x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Hi Deb - suffice it to say, I don't do "heart", and *if* you ever find yourself at the end of your rope with all that "business", I'll be glad to have a conversation with you, but to put it bluntly, "self masturbation" in any way, shape or form, is not my cup of tea. My website and the Ranch list description below : Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htmTheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ This is a list for realizers and mature humans who aspire to such realization. It is for those that have been around the block one too many times and are now ready and willing to really start looking at the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant suffering that's keeping them mired in the "seeker" identity and role. This is not a refuge for the emotionally immature or for those with psychological problems to work out -- the inveterate self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the "New Age" spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy, loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they are simply need not apply here. This is a list for those ready to cut through their own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly put themselves on the line for the undermining and the understanding of that whole nonsensical separate adventure in its entirety -- and it's for sharing the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally realizing our true, newborn perceptual condition, a state that is not separation, but rather wholeness, freedom, consciousness itself. To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. Welcome Home. - deb Realization group Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:56 PM from deb Hi fellow listers .. it seems a recent posting of mine - the "peace" sites - has caused some kerfuffle on this list! I didnt post them as a dedicated spiritual offering as such, someone sent them to me and I had a few quiet minutes looking at the magnificent photos in these inspirational verses .. it was the vision I wanted to share more than the verses, there is one photo there of a wave (amazing water energy) which just blew me away .. so the opportunity to take a few quite moments to reflect, and to see some lovely vision were the reasons I sent them. I will be even more careful in future about what I post to this list ) Judi .. I joined this list in early January at a time when I was beginning to feel very lost. The two pagan lists I was a member of were becoming increasingly boring to me, I needed more stimulation - people to make me think about the important questions - not endless questions from newbies about which spell for what. Incidentally Ive never thought of myself as a pagan, I just found a lot of my friends were pagans and I like hanging out with them as they are generally really nice/interesting/loving people. Im relatively new to the spiritual path, it intensified for me after nearly dying in 1995. My "lostness" has intensified in the 10 weeks Ive been here .. not because of this list! Rather, I feel like Im undergoing a dark night of the soul at this time in my life. When I read the introduction for this list: (Realization · A place for people to talk about their experiences while enlightenment is happening.) I thought maybe this group might be an interesting place to be, so I joined. After posting my first real contribution about my personal experiences (waking from a deep sleep to an unusual experience) I received this reply from you ......... **** Sounds like a case of Pace Picante's Extra Hot Chunky Salsa. :-) I dont have much to say about this .. except I wasnt expecting it! Then, after I asked a sincere question to Dan, came your next pounce on me .. that what I offered to the group was "nonsense" and you very kindly pointed out to me that I have an intense war going on inside myself. Well Judi I didnt need you to tell me, guess what, I already know .. it is one of the reasons why I joined this group! ********* He told him to gird up and fight, which is what Dan is doing here to your holier than thou "peace" nonsense. Catch a clue and see that your "peace" is nothing but the demonstration of the war going on within yourself. .. Judi Ive thought a lot about your responses Judi .. and now I see in a recent post you have a 19 year old son in Iraq .. I have a 16 year old son so I can see where youre coming from now, and why you chose to attack my peaceful offerings. Luckily (for me) my son is a pacifist (like me) .. and he will never go to war .. even if it means going to jail, and if it were possible I would go to jail for him, gladly. Jail is a very appealing option when you consider the other option .. being sent/ordered to murder other people .. when murder is something you just cannot find in your psyche. Anyway, my point is Judi .. and Midge .. before pouncing on other unsuspecting niave people, just consider that they may be here to learn, and yes, they may be lost and hurting, and they may not be as far up the realization ladder as you are, so please take a minute to think about what youre writing and what positive contribution it offers to that person's growth. Rob .. thankyou for apologising and putting on your moderator hat .. I do see it is the same as in any community, people are what they are and you just have to let it all flow over you sometimes .. Im just a novice at this realisation stuff, here to learn and glean what I can from all the members, also hopefully offer something from my own heart now and again .. blessings to all on this beatiful day .. hoping for another storm tonight! ... deb x x x..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Hi Judi .. thanks for that info .. I looked at your site and read it from beginning to end .. it tells me so much about you and I enjoyed putting a face to the name. Only one observation .. having a site that says "look I am realised!" tells me you are still searching, whether it be for approval .. or whatever. Youre a very clever crafter of words ... blessings from my heart .. deb x x - Judi Rhodes Realization Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:43 AM Re: from deb Hi Deb - suffice it to say, I don't do "heart", and *if* you ever find yourself at the end of your rope with all that "business", I'll be glad to have a conversation with you, but to put it bluntly, "self masturbation" in any way, shape or form, is not my cup of tea. My website and the Ranch list description below : Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htmTheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ This is a list for realizers and mature humans who aspire to such realization. It is for those that have been around the block one too many times and are now ready and willing to really start looking at the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant suffering that's keeping them mired in the "seeker" identity and role. This is not a refuge for the emotionally immature or for those with psychological problems to work out -- the inveterate self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the "New Age" spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy, loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they are simply need not apply here. This is a list for those ready to cut through their own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly put themselves on the line for the undermining and the understanding of that whole nonsensical separate adventure in its entirety -- and it's for sharing the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally realizing our true, newborn perceptual condition, a state that is not separation, but rather wholeness, freedom, consciousness itself. To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. Welcome Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Hi Judi .. thanks for that info .. I looked at your site and read it from beginning to end .. it tells me so much about you and I enjoyed putting a face to the name. Only one observation .. having a site that says "look I am realised!" tells me you are still searching, whether it be for approval .. or whatever. ****** No, that's the whole deal, no more seeking, that whole miserable business is no more. "Does not compute" anymore. I'll give you an example - I had dinner with this fellow the other nite and then we went over to the video store and were looking at movies. He said, "here's one that will make you feel good about yourself." And I didn't say anything to him, but that kind of stuff just does not compute with me anymore. It's totally irrelevant. So you see, while everyone else is trying to get *somewhere* to "feel good" about themselves, I squinch my face and say, what the hell do you think you're doing, where do you think you're going? :-) Do you see what I mean, it's totally irrelevant - does no "compute". Youre a very clever crafter of words ... ********* If that's the way you want to see it, *suffer* on! Don't let me stop you! :-) I'll watch. :-) Until I get bored looking at you. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Dear Deb, > Only one observation .. having a site that says > "look I am realised!" tells me you are still searching, > whether it be for approval .. or whatever. I don't doubt for a second that Judi is describing her feelings and transformation accurately. She radiates a kind of fearless power and charisma which seems to match what she says. But is this realization? Who decides what that word means? This reminds me of something David Godman told me recently in an email. (He's an author who knew Papaji and Nisargadatta and several other Self-realized people pretty well.) According to David, Nisargadatta said that he believed for a while that he was fully enlightened. Then he had a "death experience," and only after that happened was he really fully enlightened. If he could think he was realized and then change his mind, it could happen to other people too. (Ramana Maharshi had a similar death experience, and so did Mathru Sri Sarada, another Self-realized person whose biography David wrote. Maybe it's a sort of marker for real realization.) I always define "realization" as "the thing that happened to Ramana Maharshi." He's like a benchmark. (I like annoying people who get upset when you say realization is a thing that happens.) Here are a few of the distinctive things about Ramana Maharshi: (a) permanent destruction of certain mental behaviors (b) a kundalini-like death experience © awareness during deep sleep (I think, not sure about this) (d) transmission that put people around him into samadhi, etc. (e) he frequently evoked the feeling in others that his behavior toward them was purely a reflection of their feelings, not his. (f)...... Regards, Rob - deb Realization Monday, March 24, 2003 6:39 PM Re: from deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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