Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 I can speak only for myself. I have often said that I am a pacifist. What does this mean? So often in my life I choose conflict, feel conflict, am in conflict. I cannot share what I have not got. If I am in a state of total peace, deep and abiding which cannot be disturbed by person or event then maybe I am ready to preach 'peace'. If peace and war are in conflict within me then surely all I can preach is more conflict. As long as I am capable of getting angry with another person then I am capable of killing millions, it is only a matter of degree. I cannot, with any integrity, condemn another person for their views. There is nothing within me that is special or unique in any way. Every thought I have, every feeling I experience, every action that I take has been had, experienced or taken by countless others. 'I' am just one configuration from an infinite variety, unique in the same way that one grain of sand on a beach is unique. Judgement of another's actions by me is like one grain of sand judging another for the way it is being blown by the wind. >>Only one observation .. having a site that says " look I am >>realised! " tells me you are still searching, whether it be for >>approval .. or whatever. Youre a very clever crafter of words ... I see self-seeking everywhere because that is all I know. The more I am aware of my thought activity the more I find that I am indeed constantly self-seeking and this is hell indeed. If somebody says that there is an end to this, that it is possible to end this self perpetuating misery then I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Love, hate, blessings and damnation to you all! Tanya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Tanya, I liked this. Dennis --- Tanya Davis <tanyarowan wrote: > I can speak only for myself. > I have often said that I am a pacifist. What does > this mean? So > often in my life I choose conflict, feel conflict, > am in conflict. > I cannot share what I have not got. If I am in a > state of total > peace, deep and abiding which cannot be disturbed by > person or event > then maybe I am ready to preach 'peace'. If peace > and war are in > conflict within me then surely all I can preach is > more conflict. > As long as I am capable of getting angry with > another person then I > am capable of killing millions, it is only a matter > of degree. > I cannot, with any integrity, condemn another person > for their views. > There is nothing within me that is special or unique > in any way. > Every thought I have, every feeling I experience, > every action that I > take has been had, experienced or taken by countless > others. 'I' am > just one configuration from an infinite variety, > unique in the same > way that one grain of sand on a beach is unique. > Judgement of another's actions by me is like one > grain of sand > judging another for the way it is being blown by the > wind. > > >>Only one observation .. having a site that says > " look I am > >>realised! " tells me you are still searching, > whether it be for > >>approval .. or whatever. Youre a very clever > crafter of words ... > > I see self-seeking everywhere because that is all I > know. The more I > am aware of my thought activity the more I find that > I am indeed > constantly self-seeking and this is hell indeed. If > somebody says > that there is an end to this, that it is possible to > end this self > perpetuating misery then I am going to give them the > benefit of the > doubt. > Love, hate, blessings and damnation to you all! > Tanya. > > > ===== Visit my Spirit home page; http://www.katdent.bravepages.com/windyhillfarm.htm Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Haha, that's a great signature line! > Love, hate, blessings and damnation to you all! - " Tanya Davis " <tanyarowan <Realization > Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:20 AM War and Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Realization , " Tanya Davis " <tanyarowan@h...> wrote: > I can speak only for myself. > I have often said that I am a pacifist. What does this mean? So > often in my life I choose conflict, feel conflict, am in conflict. > I cannot share what I have not got. If I am in a state of total > peace, deep and abiding which cannot be disturbed by person or event > then maybe I am ready to preach 'peace'. If peace and war are in > conflict within me then surely all I can preach is more conflict. > As long as I am capable of getting angry with another person then I > am capable of killing millions, it is only a matter of degree. > I cannot, with any integrity, condemn another person for their views. > There is nothing within me that is special or unique in any way. > Every thought I have, every feeling I experience, every action that I > take has been had, experienced or taken by countless others. 'I' am > just one configuration from an infinite variety, unique in the same > way that one grain of sand on a beach is unique. > Judgement of another's actions by me is like one grain of sand > judging another for the way it is being blown by the wind. > > >>Only one observation .. having a site that says " look I am > >>realised! " tells me you are still searching, whether it be for > >>approval .. or whatever. Youre a very clever crafter of words ... > > I see self-seeking everywhere because that is all I know. The more I > am aware of my thought activity the more I find that I am indeed > constantly self-seeking and this is hell indeed. If somebody says > that there is an end to this, that it is possible to end this self > perpetuating misery then I am going to give them the benefit of the > doubt. > Love, hate, blessings and damnation to you all! > Tanya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 In a message dated 6/11/2006 12:13:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skywords writes: > > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >skywords writes: > > > >>Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > >>> > >>>In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>>lastrain@ writes: > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>like an empty mirror > >>>>>>>a calm sea > >>>>>>>a blue sky > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>peace begins with me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Ana > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>The me and the war arise concurrently. > >>>> > >>>>toombaru > >>> > >>>L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > >>>have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > >> " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrinsicaly tied together? > >>> > >>>Sky: Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > >>difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > >> > >>~*~ > >> > >>L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > also at war and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do you agree? > Of course, he may be wrong. > >> > >> > >Sky: War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > ~*~ L.E: War and peace are human ideas, concepts etc. I'm not sure if these ideas fit cats eating rats, or people eating cows. Is peace the state of not-war? It doesn't apply to trees does it, or tomatoes? Yet in the forest the tall trees block the sun from the small ones that die. Is that war and peace? Maybe the term is applied only to humans in the usual way. War and peace are then a natural process to re-distribute energy and re-divide property. Then it will not cease, but those who are free from identification can always or usually move out of the way. i.e. if you don't care which side wins or loses, just pack up and get out of the way. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 12:13:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > skywords writes: > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >skywords@ writes: > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > >>> > > >>>In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >>>lastrain@ writes: > > >>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>like an empty mirror > > >>>>>>>a calm sea > > >>>>>>>a blue sky > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>peace begins with me. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Ana > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > >>>> > > >>>>toombaru > > >>> > > >>>L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > >>>have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > >> " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrinsicaly tied together? > > >>> > > >>>Sky: Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense of the > > >>difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > >> > > >>~*~ > > >> > > >>L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > > also at war and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do you agree? > > Of course, he may be wrong. > > >> > > >> > > >Sky: War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > > > ~*~ > > L.E: War and peace are human ideas, concepts etc. I'm not sure if these > ideas fit cats eating rats, or people eating cows. Is peace the state of not-war? > It doesn't apply to trees does it, or tomatoes? Yet in the forest the tall > trees block the sun from the small ones that die. Is that war and peace? > Maybe the term is applied only to humans in the usual way. War and peace are > then a natural process to re-distribute energy and re-divide property. Then it > will not cease, but those who are free from identification can always or > usually move out of the way. i.e. if you don't care which side wins or loses, just > pack up and get out of the way. > I believe war is as in nature, a struggle for resources. If a wolf is biting your leg, as you say, you can't just get out of the way. The Jews, the Vietnamese, ad infinatum, couldn't get out of the way, war is deliberately and unconditionally genocidal. In my view. Nonduality guarantees nothing. Nothing is, precisely, what it simply recognizes to be, the only thing/no thing guaranteed. In my view. ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 12:13:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > >skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > >>>lastrain@ writes: > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>like an empty mirror > > > >>>>>>>a calm sea > > > >>>>>>>a blue sky > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>peace begins with me. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>Ana > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>toombaru > > > >>> > > > >>>L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > >>>have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > >> " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrinsicaly tied > together? > > > >>> > > > >>>Sky: Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense > of the > > > >>difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > >> > > > >>~*~ > > > >> > > > >>L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > > > also at war and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do > you agree? > > > Of course, he may be wrong. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Sky: War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > > > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > L.E: War and peace are human ideas, concepts etc. I'm not sure if > these > > ideas fit cats eating rats, or people eating cows. Is peace the > state of not-war? > > It doesn't apply to trees does it, or tomatoes? Yet in the forest > the tall > > trees block the sun from the small ones that die. Is that war and > peace? > > Maybe the term is applied only to humans in the usual way. War and > peace are > > then a natural process to re-distribute energy and re-divide > property. Then it > > will not cease, but those who are free from identification can > always or > > usually move out of the way. i.e. if you don't care which side wins > or loses, just > > pack up and get out of the way. > > > > I believe war is as in nature, a struggle for resources. If a wolf is > biting your leg, as you say, you can't just get out of the way. The > Jews, the Vietnamese, ad infinatum, couldn't get out of the way, war > is deliberately and unconditionally genocidal. In my view. > > Nonduality guarantees nothing. Nothing is, precisely, what it simply > recognizes to be, the only thing/no thing guaranteed. In my view. > > ~*~ > > ~*~ > > ~*~ > Non-duality does not exist. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 12:13:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > >skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > >>>lastrain@ writes: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>like an empty mirror > > > > >>>>>>>a calm sea > > > > >>>>>>>a blue sky > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>peace begins with me. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>Ana > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>toombaru > > > > >>> > > > > >>>L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > >>>have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > > >> " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrinsicaly tied > > together? > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Sky: Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense > > of the > > > > >>difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > >> > > > > >>~*~ > > > > >> > > > > >>L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > > > > also at war and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do > > you agree? > > > > Of course, he may be wrong. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >Sky: War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > > > > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > L.E: War and peace are human ideas, concepts etc. I'm not sure if > > these > > > ideas fit cats eating rats, or people eating cows. Is peace the > > state of not-war? > > > It doesn't apply to trees does it, or tomatoes? Yet in the forest > > the tall > > > trees block the sun from the small ones that die. Is that war and > > peace? > > > Maybe the term is applied only to humans in the usual way. War and > > peace are > > > then a natural process to re-distribute energy and re-divide > > property. Then it > > > will not cease, but those who are free from identification can > > always or > > > usually move out of the way. i.e. if you don't care which side wins > > or loses, just > > > pack up and get out of the way. > > > > > > > I believe war is as in nature, a struggle for resources. If a wolf is > > biting your leg, as you say, you can't just get out of the way. The > > Jews, the Vietnamese, ad infinatum, couldn't get out of the way, war > > is deliberately and unconditionally genocidal. In my view. > > > > Nonduality guarantees nothing. Nothing is, precisely, what it simply > > recognizes to be, the only thing/no thing guaranteed. In my view. > > > > ~*~ > > > > ~*~ > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > Non-duality does not exist. > > > > toombaru > Non-duality does not exist. ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 12:13:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > >skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > >>>lastrain@ writes: > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>like an empty mirror > > > >>>>>>>a calm sea > > > >>>>>>>a blue sky > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>peace begins with me. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>Ana > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>toombaru > > > >>> > > > >>>L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > >>>have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > > > >> " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrinsicaly tied > together? > > > >>> > > > >>>Sky: Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense > of the > > > >>difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > >> > > > >>~*~ > > > >> > > > >>L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > > > also at war and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do > you agree? > > > Of course, he may be wrong. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Sky: War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > > > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > L.E: War and peace are human ideas, concepts etc. I'm not sure if > these > > ideas fit cats eating rats, or people eating cows. Is peace the > state of not-war? > > It doesn't apply to trees does it, or tomatoes? Yet in the forest > the tall > > trees block the sun from the small ones that die. Is that war and > peace? > > Maybe the term is applied only to humans in the usual way. War and > peace are > > then a natural process to re-distribute energy and re-divide > property. Then it > > will not cease, but those who are free from identification can > always or > > usually move out of the way. i.e. if you don't care which side wins > or loses, just > > pack up and get out of the way. > > > > I believe war is as in nature, a struggle for resources. If a wolf is > biting your leg, as you say, you can't just get out of the way. The > Jews, the Vietnamese, ad infinatum, couldn't get out of the way, war > is deliberately and unconditionally genocidal. In my view. > > Nonduality guarantees nothing. Nothing is, precisely, what it simply > recognizes to be, the only thing/no thing guaranteed. In my view. > > ~*~ > > ~*~ > > ~*~ > Conflict/war and its aftermath, peace is Evolution of the human Soul via nature, via nurture, via " deliberate " spirituality. You can quote me on this: Evolution is Deliberate Spirituality. Unknown transcendence. ;-) IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 12:13:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight > Time, > > > > >skywords@ writes: > > > > > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>In a message dated 6/11/2006 10:16:31 AM Pacific Daylight > Time, > > > > >>>lastrain@ writes: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>like an empty mirror > > > > >>>>>>>a calm sea > > > > >>>>>>>a blue sky > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>peace begins with me. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>Ana > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>The me and peace are antithetical. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>peace BEGINS with me, my Love > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>The me and the war arise concurrently. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>toombaru > > > > >>> > > > > >>>L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > > > > >>>have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without > a > > > > >> " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrinsicaly > tied > > together? > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Sky: Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a > sense > > of the > > > > >>difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > > > > >> > > > > >>~*~ > > > > >> > > > > >>L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > > > > also at war and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do > > you agree? > > > > Of course, he may be wrong. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >Sky: War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is > the > > > > natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > L.E: War and peace are human ideas, concepts etc. I'm not sure > if > > these > > > ideas fit cats eating rats, or people eating cows. Is peace the > > state of not-war? > > > It doesn't apply to trees does it, or tomatoes? Yet in the > forest > > the tall > > > trees block the sun from the small ones that die. Is that war > and > > peace? > > > Maybe the term is applied only to humans in the usual way. War > and > > peace are > > > then a natural process to re-distribute energy and re-divide > > property. Then it > > > will not cease, but those who are free from identification can > > always or > > > usually move out of the way. i.e. if you don't care which side > wins > > or loses, just > > > pack up and get out of the way. > > > > > > > I believe war is as in nature, a struggle for resources. If a > wolf is > > biting your leg, as you say, you can't just get out of the way. > The > > Jews, the Vietnamese, ad infinatum, couldn't get out of the way, > war > > is deliberately and unconditionally genocidal. In my view. > > > > Nonduality guarantees nothing. Nothing is, precisely, what it > simply > > recognizes to be, the only thing/no thing guaranteed. In my view. > > > > ~*~ > > > > ~*~ > > > > ~*~ > > > > Conflict/war and its aftermath, peace is Evolution of the human Soul > via nature, via nurture, via " deliberate " spirituality. > > You can quote me on this: > > Evolution is Deliberate Spirituality. Unknown transcendence. > > ;-) > > > IMHO > me, too. But it's also (un)conscious devolution, IMHO. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 war is depending on time...peace is not war is man-made...peace is not war is a tiny little speck within peace but a totaly devious thing on its own with hate it grows big and makes ugly things so dont hate war...then you help it grow love it and it will not grow...but shrink til it is just a tiny little speck within peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 In a message dated 6/11/2006 8:35:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skywords writes: > >>>>>>The me and the war arise concurrently. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>toombaru > >>>>> > >>>>>L.E: Do fish, lobsters, whales, dolphins, cows, etc, > >>>>>have a " me? " 0r just humans? And were we ever human without a > >>>> " me? " Or is being human and the sense of " me " intrinsicaly tied > together? > >>>>> > >>>>>Sky: Why wouldn't they? They have expectation, hence, a sense > of the > >>>>difference between one thing and another, thus, separation. > >>>> > >>>>~*~ > >>>> > >>>>L.E: Seems right to me. Then if Toombaru is correct, they are > >>also at war and wqr is the naturally state of living things. Do > you agree? > >>Of course, he may be wrong. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Sky: War and peace and everything in between, and beyond, is the > >>natural/unnatural state of things, from my point(s) of view. > >> > >>~*~ > > > >L.E: War and peace are human ideas, concepts etc. I'm not sure if > these > >ideas fit cats eating rats, or people eating cows. Is peace the > state of not-war? > >It doesn't apply to trees does it, or tomatoes? Yet in the forest > the tall > >trees block the sun from the small ones that die. Is that war and > peace? > >Maybe the term is applied only to humans in the usual way. War and > peace are > >then a natural process to re-distribute energy and re-divide > property. Then it > >will not cease, but those who are free from identification can > always or > >usually move out of the way. i.e. if you don't care which side wins > or loses, just > >pack up and get out of the way. > > > > I believe war is as in nature, a struggle for resources. If a wolf is > biting your leg, as you say, you can't just get out of the way. The > Jews, the Vietnamese, ad infinatum, couldn't get out of the way, war > is deliberately and unconditionally genocidal. In my view. > > Nonduality guarantees nothing. Nothing is, precisely, what it simply > recognizes to be, the only thing/no thing guaranteed. In my view. L.E: We usually think of war as something extremely unfortunate and negative, but if it is just a part of natural activity share by all living things, then why the objection? At times, humans prey on each other for food, land, power and resources, and the strongest prevails. A natual event. Perhaps that is the way it is. If one doesn't engage in the folly of taking sides by identifying, then it just a matter of keeping your eyes open, and getting out of the way. Sort of like avoiding a hurricane. Most of the wealthy got away, and those that couldn't got trampled, ravaged, destroyed. So be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 In a message dated 6/11/2006 8:58:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skywords writes: > >Nonduality guarantees nothing. Nothing is, precisely, what it simply > >>recognizes to be, the only thing/no thing guaranteed. In my view. > >> > >>~*~ > >> > >>~*~ > >> > >>~*~ > >> > > > > > > > >Non-duality does not exist. > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > Non-duality does not exist. > > ~*~ > > L.E: Non-duality exists as an idea, a concept just as other concepts such as the messiah, second coming, salvation, a devil, hell, prophets of god, praying to the buddha, sin, etc, etc., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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