Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 I would sure like to read whatever you wish to share on this subject MT ) By the way, I loved your post, you put questions to Judi that I have pondered seriously over recent weeks, unfortunately I presently do not have the mental accumen to put them down in words as you did. I just put Judi in the " too hard " box. Before doing so I came to some conclusions .. " our " Judi does serve a wonderful purpose .. that purpose FOR ME, was to realise that in seeking the highest form of peaceful existence I can acquire in this lifetime, I should also seek not to become like her. So for me, at this time, she is a shining light of what not to become. Therein lies her brilliance, and I bow in reverence at her bravery in choosing a path of anger and confrontation, and daring to call it realization. blessings on you .. deb > If you don't have " I " thoughts did your " I " thought try to escape > from the top of your head and try to crack your skull, like what > almost happened to Sarada or did it go to the locus of the Self on > the right side of the chest in the heart area? See the book " No Mind > I Am The Self " . I know it is out of print but I typed most of it in > for the groups and will share it with anyone who requests it. > mark_twain11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 - mark_twain11 Realization Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:31 AM Judi's Ghost? This post in part may come on later as I posted it yesterday and it did not get there. Sorry for the repeat if it does materialize.Dear Judi said:***** No, you don't understand my position. For all "intents" and "purposes", "Judi" does not exist anymore. She died. :-)Poor dear, poor, poor dear. :-)Is this the same Judi that got banned by Harsha for saying "F you Harsha, I spit in your face"?Question: Did Judi exist then or did the non-existent Judi arise post Harsha? Tell me about it, I am very interested?Ramana: "I can give it but can you take it."MT's says Judi can give it but wont take it. Us unRealized must respect the Realized.You see dear group. Judi banned me from her group where she manages to dish it out, but wont allow anyone to have an honest dialogue with her. Seriously Judi: Are you claiming Realization? If you are then it is incumbent upon seekers to find out if it is Real of fraudulent, especially because you are a little too pushy IMHO. Do you just want to use your power to have souls conform to your model of light?Like when someone is truly Realized they usually don't go around announcing it to the world. If someone asked them if they are, they might say as Jesus said. "Thou Sayest".Some more questions about your no Judi pronouncement. Notice I did not say STATE, because the so called Realization to my knowledge is not a mental state.Do you have "I" thoughts, if not who is it that proclaimed that Judi is defunct?If you don't have "I" thoughts did your "I" thought try to escape from the top of your head and try to crack your skull, like what almost happened to Sarada or did it go to the locus of the Self on the right side of the chest in the heart area? See the book "No Mind I Am The Self". I know it is out of print but I typed most of it in for the groups and will share it with anyone who requests it. mark_twain11.Thanks in advance for any replies to this loving post. Love,MT but full of it. ********** Yes, well when you're not so "full of it", perhaps then we can have a grown up conversation, but *if* and until such time, f**k off! You do the math! Here's a clue - Socrates said, "Know Thyself", he didn't say, *Know Thy Other Guy". Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 - deb Realization Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:48 AM Judi's Ghost? I would sure like to read whatever you wish to share on this subject MT )By the way, I loved your post, you put questions to Judi that I havepondered seriously over recent weeks, unfortunately I presently do not havethe mental accumen to put them down in words as you did. I just put Judi inthe "too hard" box. ********* Guilty as "charged"! :-) Happy Days,Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htmTheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Dear Friends, I'm addressing this to you mature, sincere folks out there who are serious about this "realization" or "enlightenment" business and just might happen to have your ears on right now, as you're reading what I have to say. I am not addressing this to the hysterical neurotics, the lovelorn, the sob sisters, the insecure, the angry, the know-it-alls, the distrustful ax-grinders, the smiley guys, the "oh yes, life is great, hallelujah" gang -- in other words, the general run of mental-emotional basket cases, that we see so often in so -called "spiritual." circles. I hold out no hope for them. They're busy doing whatever kind of nonsense they're about. If they had half a brain to begin with they wouldn't be doing that in the first place. Let's face it, this is not for everybody -- so let's move on. Realization is for strong, secure, emotionally mature, clear-headed, no-nonsense, healthy folks, people with both feet on the ground. It's not brain surgery, all it takes is common sense and the unflinching desire to understand, to uncover, to get to the bottom of the matter, to look at the truth of who you are come what may. It requires the courage to stand alone, because the ball lies entirely in your court. Let me tell you -- and I can't stress this strongly enough -- there has been so much nonsense promulgated about finding the truth of who you are in some "other," be it a lover, a guru, Jesus, or even some personal idea of "God." In other words, paying lip service to some imaginary being isn't going to cut it! Discovering the truth of who you are is not about playing emotional co-dependency games with some sort of "other." That said, let's go on. On to the point: realization is about understanding, it is not about making your life work out. That is the great misunderstanding. It is not something "added" to your already existing circumstance or sense of existence that you are trying to improve upon, to finally get that brass ring or cream pie in the sky. This is about the utter failure of all that, it is not in just allowing or coming to terms with it, but actually marching right into it! You see your life is not going to "work out, " not ever, and that's exactly is the point. Understanding is about loss, not gain. Please understand that! In order to actually and really observe yourself and get at the truth of who you are, and what you're doing, you first have to get clear of the hope, the fear, that business of you trying to make your life work out, from the time you wake up in the morning until you go to bed at night. Whatever drives you, your so-called story, the tale of Dick or Jane -- it's simply not going to happen. Even if your prince, princess, or Rolls-Royce does show up, that's going to come to an end. Nothing is permanent and whatever goes up must come down. People die and even Rolls-Royce's rust. You have to come to terms with that, seriously, once and for all. That's all there is to it. In other words, it's in stopping all that business that you play with all the time, that you occupy yourself with, the whole "grass is greener" business that you suffer continually. All that nothing but the activity of suffering, if you would but see it! That's your entire identity, you see., it's what makes you tick! It's very subtle. Whether you're at your worst or at your best, it is still, at its root, suffering. So, the work, the "task" then becomes one of actually looking for where it is that you're holding on, what you're still trying "work out," and simply letting it go. To bring this suffering to the surface, to look at it, to make it concrete, palpable. This is by no means some sort of psychotherapy, you don't have to analyze it and understand the "why" of your holding on, to just to bring it up and see it, allow yourself to feel it and let it go is enough. In other words, it's not about saying "Well, it's because my mother hit me when I was a kid, poor me," or any number of events that might have occurred. The past is dead and gone, drop it. And let me say something else here, I am not describing a career or a hobby here. Realistically, I'm referring to a couple weeks of serious intense effort, for those of you who are mature and prepared, perhaps a few months, but certainly no more than that. My advice is simple: take some time for yourself, get off away by yourself, let your life go, completely. Just get away and get into these places where you're holding on and let go. I mean all the places where you don't want to go -- you need to go there and stop avoiding them. Face the fears that you have been hiding, even from yourself. Bring everything up until you are absolutely, utterly heartbroken and be done with it! And that is when real self-observation begins and NOT before. In other words, you have to get beyond yourself, so you can clearly see yourself and what it is you are actually doing. It's like discovering that you have been pinching yourself without realizing it, causing your own suffering. And that's all your the illusion of separate identity amounts to. However, as long as you're trying to make the story work out one way or another, you can't really observe yourself because you are the suffering activity you're trying to observe! There is only Consciousness, you do not really even exist. Never did! Just think, all this time and you could of had a V-8! Cheers! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Dear Deb: I emailed most of the book on Word. If you cant open it I will copy and paste it on an email form. Thanks for the strokes on my post. Judi is a matrix of the five elements, the three gunas or the qualtity of matter, along with conditioning etc. If you are a pit bull before the so call Realization you may be so after. Take Ramana who was all giving and alway available right up until his maha samadhi and compare him with Lakshama who seems selfish to me. both have been said to be egoless. I dont believe that either and will post about it later. You are the way you are and that does not seem to change even after transformation. Nisargadatta kicked souls out who traveled thousands of miles to see him without provocation. Actually I dont believe there is a a finite thing called Realization or if there is it aint all there is to spiritually traverse. Rob: Am I boring? grin. Love, MT but full of it. that after a Realization , " deb " <willett@h...> wrote: > I would sure like to read whatever you wish to share on this subject MT ) > > By the way, I loved your post, you put questions to Judi that I have > pondered seriously over recent weeks, unfortunately I presently do not have > the mental accumen to put them down in words as you did. I just put Judi in > the " too hard " box. > > Before doing so I came to some conclusions .. " our " Judi does serve a > wonderful purpose .. that purpose FOR ME, was to realise that in seeking the > highest form of peaceful existence I can acquire in this lifetime, I should > also seek not to become like her. So for me, at this time, she is a shining > light of what not to become. Therein lies her brilliance, and I bow in > reverence at her bravery in choosing a path of anger and confrontation, and > daring to call it realization. > > blessings on you .. deb > > > > If you don't have " I " thoughts did your " I " thought try to escape > > from the top of your head and try to crack your skull, like what > > almost happened to Sarada or did it go to the locus of the Self on > > the right side of the chest in the heart area? See the book " No Mind > > I Am The Self " . I know it is out of print but I typed most of it in > > for the groups and will share it with anyone who requests it. > > mark_twain11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 I have a number of accounts and this one happened to post under lostnfoundation, but it should have been under Mark_Twain. Aloha, MT aka Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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