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Gday Alton :o)

compliment accepted .. with a giggle .. you dag (aussie term of endearment).

blessings on you .. love from deb

 

> Dear Deb:

> After reading your insightful and loving critique of dear Judi's

> consciousness; if you claimed enlightenment I would kiss your lotus

> feet and become you chela.

> You sure do write well.

>

> Love,

> MT, but full of it, The Self of course.

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Hi Alton,

 

> I thought attacking someone on a personal level was calling

> them names and not challenging their arguments.

 

I'd put it slightly differently. If you say negative things about

Judi (not necessarily names) it's an attack. If you say negative

things about her arguments, that's okay.

 

> So please reply where I used personal attacks on Judi,

> because I sure don't want to loose you as a friend.

 

I can't imagine why this would stop us from being friends.

 

Here's an example. You were talking here about Judi as a person,

not her arguments:

 

> MT's says Judi can give it but wont take it.

 

> > Some of the stuff I posted to Judi came from you, but not

> specifically about Judi. I am not going to reveal what because

> that too would certainly end our friendship. Even mentioning it

> above could kill it. I hope not.

 

If you hope not, then what are you mentioning it for?

 

> I probably am carrying over some hidden anger toward her

> from her banning me on her group. When someone defended

> me she banned that person too.

 

I'm sorry that happened, but this forum isn't an appropriate

place for the fight to continue.

 

> I hope I don't have to say, " oh no not another banning "

> GRIN

 

It's totally up to you. :)

 

> Actually with my Cancer moon I have been quite sensitive

> and a number of years ago when someone attacked me I

> would not go on line for days to recover from the hurt....

> ...When attacked I am as centered as a tight rope walker on

> top of the Empire State building.

 

Jesus, Alton. If it's so painful, why are you getting yourself into

situations where you get attacked? It's really not necessary.

Most people don't do that.

 

> If someone gets obnoxious and is offering teachings that

> do not free but delude, do we not confront them?

 

I think it's fine to confront the teachings but it's not fine to

attack the teacher -- not in this forum, anyway.

 

But if I could make a suggestion --

 

Why don't you write about Alton instead of Judi?

 

You know more about Alton. You care more about Alton.

 

What's more important to you? -- confronting Judi or

liberating Alton?

 

Love,

 

Rob

 

 

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<Realization >

Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:56 AM

Re: Judi's Ghost?

 

 

> Howdy Rob ole bud,

>

> I thought attacking someone on a personal level was calling them

> names and not challenging their arguments. So please reply where I

> used personal attacks on

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Dear Deb,

 

I'm not going to argue with anything you said here about

Judi. Let's agree for argument's sake that it's all correct.

 

The question remains, however: Why do you care

enough about her to write such a long letter?

 

The reason I ask is because I directed a similar question

at myself a few weeks ago, and it turned out to be very

fruitful.

 

Over the years I had often found Judi irritating. It wasn't

till a few weeks ago, though, that I got around to asking

myself the obvious question: WHY do I get irritated by

Judi?

 

When I investigated the matter, it turned out the

answer had to do entirely with me and not at all with

Judi. And it involved something that damaged my

pride.

 

Oddly enough, since I found the answer to the question,

Judi doesn't irritate me anymore. Now she just makes

me smile.

 

Best wishes,

 

Rob

 

P.S. Thank you for this:

 

> Notice I have not labelled you .. I could say you are this or

> that, I could say you are many things, oh so many things -

> you give me so much ammunition...

 

This is a good example of what Alton and I were talking

about (confronting what people say instead of attacking

them personally).

 

 

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deb

Realization

Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:23 AM

Judi's Ghost?

 

Hi Judi,

now it is my turn to say .. YOU do not understand!

I have read what you offered here, and I have read your site from top to bottom, several times. You are not offering me anything more than what I have seen written in many other places, in other words what you are offering is not unique. Well, apart from the abuse that is, that is -- so let's move on.

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Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote:

>

> Over the years I had often found Judi irritating. It wasn't

> till a few weeks ago, though, that I got around to asking

> myself the obvious question: WHY do I get irritated by

> Judi?

>

> When I investigated the matter, it turned out the

> answer had to do entirely with me and not at all with

> Judi. And it involved something that damaged my

> pride.

>

> Oddly enough, since I found the answer to the question,

> Judi doesn't irritate me anymore. Now she just makes

> me smile.

>

******* :-) heh heh!! :-) Ain't we got fun!

 

Judi

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