Judi's Ghost

[Guest guest]

Hi Rob:

Just to be more clear on your directives for this group.

What Judi is doing on this board, is that not personal attacks?

If it is, can she do it with abandon if someone like you agrees that

she is enlightened? Again I should be worrying about my Self, but I

have this thing about fairness.

 

So now to comply with your directives for this group I will have to

improve my communication skills. Then I will be accused of being

clever.

 

> > Some of the stuff I posted to Judi came from you, but not

> specifically about Judi. I am not going to reveal what because

> that too would certainly end our friendship. Even mentioning it

> above could kill it. I hope not.

 

If you hope not, then what are you mentioning it for?

 

Because I have a great conflict going. People share things with me

and then tell me not to tell anyone. That is deceitful and I am also

deceitful. It bothers me as that is probably one of my attachments

that I have to release. Maybe I should tell friends not to tell me

something that I cant share with the whole world. I thought about

that during my meditation last night. Although I am not into

worshiping Ramana I sure would like his purity. No one that I know of

can come close to him in probity.

 

> I probably am carrying over some hidden anger toward her

> from her banning me on her group. When someone defended

> me she banned that person too.

 

I'm sorry that happened, but this forum isn't an appropriate

place for the fight to continue.

 

Yes I noticed that, so I was honest enough to share it with the group.

It's all part of giving up attachments. What Nisargadatta said about

it is; " All you can do is give up your attachments and the rest will

be done for you " . To me attachments are where you react and I have

copped to that.

 

> I hope I don't have to say, " oh no not another banning "

> GRIN

 

It's totally up to you.

 

Its totally up to both of us. LOL.

 

 

> Actually with my Cancer moon I have been quite sensitive

> and a number of years ago when someone attacked me I

> would not go on line for days to recover from the hurt....

> ...When attacked I am as centered as a tight rope walker on

> top of the Empire State building.

 

Jesus, Alton. If it's so painful, why are you getting yourself into

situations where you get attacked? It's really not necessary.

Most people don't do that.

 

It WAS painful. If I have a view point on a subject why cant I share

it? I would like to share my views on enlightenment here and the

spiritual journey that I am on. Is that alright to do here? Well,

because my views are unconventional many feel threatened and go on

the attack. Remember on the Ramana group when Miles the moderator

wrote me a personal email with the F word saying that the Indian

devotees are unsubscribing.

If someone gets bothered by my posts, is that not the work that THEY

need to do?

 

For example when I posted this poem on a group not only did at least

10 members immediately but war broke up to boot.

Here it is again because my professor friend said it is the best on I

ever wrote.

 

 

Grieving Souls:

Grieving souls taking antidepressants

Have you forgotten your Godly essence

Stop wining a puling and stuck in self pity

Consider what's offered right here in this ditty

You believe that you are~ what you appear to be

Thoughts and feelings and the memories you see

What others have told you and the events of the past

With successes and failures that never did last

A body that's changing and decaying each day

A self image that's based on what others did say

Grieving souls taking antidepressants

All you have is your Godly essence

 

But if I could make a suggestion --

 

Why don't you write about Alton instead of Judi?

 

You know more about Alton. You care more about Alton.

 

What's more important to you? -- confronting Judi or

liberating Alton?

 

I plan on doing that, but only with your sanction, because you are

king here? When I tell about Alton it will necessarily have to have

my views of this trip. Then I will be accused of having a hefty ego,

by those who also have egos. LOL.

 

Love,

Alton

[Guest guest]

Hi Alton,

 

Oh Alton, dear old buddy Alton. Oh boy.

 

I promise that if anybody attacks you, I'll tell them to stop.

The rules apply to everybody.

 

> What Judi is doing on this board, is that not personal

> attacks?

 

The rules apply to Judi also, and just a few weeks ago

I warned her here in a public message about the possibility

of getting banned.

 

> People share things with me and then tell me not to tell

> anyone. That is deceitful and I am also deceitful.

 

There is nothing deceitful about keeping certain things

private. Do you mean that people say one thing to you in

public and another in private? If you think I've done that, you

should write to me privately and point it out. I'm not aware that

I've done that and I'd appreciate it if you would write to me

privately and tell me.

 

> Maybe I should tell friends not to tell me

> something that I cant share with the whole world.

 

If you can't respect a confidence, then yes, I think probably

you should tell people not to speak confidentially to you.

But then you'd lose out on a lot of enjoyable conversation.

 

> Rob: It's totally up to you.

>

> Alton: Its totally up to both of us. LOL.

 

Well, it's up to me in the sense that I made the rules. But

that's over and done with. From here on, the only

question is whether you will choose to abide by those

rules. I have no control over that. That's up to you and

you alone.

 

Does that bother you? I can't help it if I'm the moderator

here. Somebody has to be the moderator here and I

happen to be that person.

 

I'm not playing " gotcha " . I'm not going to ban you because

of something you say by accident. I would only ban

somebody after the rules were crystal clear and the person

had obviously decided, purposely, not to abide by them.

 

If you think it's a bad rule, you can try to talk me into

changing it. My mind is open about it.

 

> If I have a view point on a subject why cant I share

> it?

 

In this mail group, you can say anything you want as long as

it's not a personal attack (or illegal, etc.).

 

The reason why you can't share your personal attacks here

is that I made a rule against them. The reason I made a rule

against them is (a) they discourage people from posting messages

because people fear that they will be attacked and (b) they cause

people to from the forum and © they add very

little of substance to the forum and (d) almost everything

interesting that can be expressed in the form of a personal

attack can be rephrased in a general way that doesn't attack

anybody.

 

Like I said, if you can think of a better way to handle this,

I'm all ears.

 

> Remember on the Ramana group when Miles the

> moderator wrote me a personal email with the F word

> saying that the Indian devotees are unsubscribing.

 

No, I didn't know anything about this. This is the first

I've heard of it.

 

Do you think it's true that your comments were causing

existing members to quit? If it's true, wasn't Miles doing the

right thing by telling you to knock it off? Isn't that his job

as the moderator?

 

> Well, because my views are unconventional many feel

> threatened and go on the attack.

 

I don't believe you can express a view here that's so

unconventional that you will get attacked in this forum. I

think the only way you can get attacked in this forum is by

attacking somebody else personally.

 

I dare you to prove me wrong. Say something that IS

NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK that is so unconventional

that it causes somebody to attack you. I dare you.

 

> > If someone gets bothered by my posts, is that not the

> work that THEY need to do?

 

Sure. But nearly everybody here has work to do. This

mail group is for ordinary human beings, not for saints.

 

> For example when I posted this poem on a group not only

> did at least 10 members immediately but war

> broke up to boot. Here it is again because my professor

> friend said it is the best on I ever wrote.

 

Haha I can't imagine anybody quitting because of a poem!

Haha. I like it myself.

 

> > I plan on doing that, but only with your sanction, because

> you are king here?

 

Haha, Alton, you know perfectly well that there's only

one guideline here -- don't attack anybody. You don't need my

sanction for anything.

 

> When I tell about Alton it will necessarily have to have

> my views of this trip. Then I will be accused of having a

> hefty ego, by those who also have egos. LOL.

 

Is that true? Do you have a hefty ego? What's the true

state of Alton's ego?

 

C'mon, I'm tired of all this ridiculous bullshit about getting

banned.

 

Let's talk about something that matters.

 

Love,

 

Rob

 

 

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" mark_twain11 " <mark_twain11

<Realization >

Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:38 PM

Re: Judi's Ghost

 

 

> Hi Rob:

> Just to be more clear on your directives for this group.

> What Judi is doing on this board, is that not personal attacks?

> If it is, can she do it with abandon if someone like you agrees that

> she is enlightened? Again I should be worrying about my Self, but I

> have