Judi's Ghost?/ Karta

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Dear Karta,

 

Thanks for quoting the thread but I still don't

understand what you are saying about Papaji and

Judi's remark. There's nothing in the thread you

quoted about Papaji. I'm trying to understand you,

but I'm having trouble.

 

By the way, it's interesting to recall that Papaji

himself believed that he never suceeded in making

his students Self-realized. He thought that he gave

them a temporary glimpse. Sometimes he called

this condition " enlightenment " to distinguish it from

something else that he called " sahaja stithi. " Sahaja

stithi, in Papaji's terminology, is the real thing, full

Self-Realization. Most of this is described in

Volume 3 of " Nothing Ever Happened " in the chapter

" Guru and Disciple. "

 

Papaji's ideas about vigilance have to be understood

in this context. He said:

 

" I can give this direct experience to anyone for a short

time, but it is not within my power to make the

experience stay. One who has been granted this

experience by the Guru has to guard it himself till the

end of his life. " (Same book, page 389.)

 

But he then goes on to say that you have to guard it

by avoiding any effort to hold on to it. So his

" vigilance " is a complete lack of effort. He gives an

unusual meaning to the word.

 

Papaji didn't believe that any of his students had

become Self-realized. See:

 

http://davidgodman.org/interviews/rs3.shtml

 

Best wishes,

 

Rob

 

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" satkartar5 " <mi_nok

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Friday, April 11, 2003 2:12 PM

Re: Judi's Ghost?/ Rob