Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: What remains unanswered is just as telling as what has been said. I know this is a long winding post but it contains what dialog there was and the copouts that remain. There are two other posts that of course Judi dropped out of the dialog being that it entailed actually giving an answer rather than simply pointing a finger and saying how deluded someone else is. This is what is the most telling. I have never seen her say what she actually has gotten? The questions were asked again the platform given and once again the cop out and deflection. Could post the other questions minus the dialog if it is just to much for you to handle. After all it must be tiring to actually post full sentences for any legnth of time. > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " > <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > I don't see her promoting silent mind I have seen her say she resides within a stilled mind. > > ******** No, a stilled mind does not understanding make. She " resides " nowhere except in her fantasy. Understanding blows the hell out of the whole " residing " business itself. She's a " fantasy " of her own making. > Once again that is your take about fantasy (and may it be said > judgementally so) Perhaps she would say the same of you. > She has said a stilled mind remains, that does not necessarily say that the stilled mind was the break through nor the knowing as she terms it. Having read her account it seems quite valid and consistent with others such as Aja, and also in line with buddhist texts on Satori and also Nirbana. The fact that you want to call it 'fantasy' does not make it so. Once again you are resorting to semantics of words. Residing, Being, Now, > No-Mind, so where are you ? Are you not residing in the Now > whether the mind is stilled or raging? There are in fact > numerous texts that indeed point to just this quality of stilled > mind which prevails after everything has been blown out. It is > what remains Not the falling away or death itself. > > ******** No, it is all " fantasy " , and that's what you're not seeing. > And the " texts " are full of them! That's where we part ways. > To me, that's all kindergarten stuff. Been there, done that. > > Judi Once again the main body of the post was not answered. Here let me give it to you once more. Or is it to difficult for you to cope with ? Oh now I see every Sage and Recognised Realized Master is wrong and living in a fantasy. The texts are wrong and are simply fantasy, and Judy and Dan alone are right . Now once again this IS an eye opener. HERE IS WHAT REMAINS UNANSWERED THE DIALOG BEING SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET : > Experience is Experience even if you say it is a non-expereince. Once again I believe in this case that it is simply semantics. Having read things from other sites what she speaks of is not an experience within time and space. It is not the same as what you are labeling as experience. And > stilled mind is not the same as a temporary silence that > happens in a meditative venue. In one the mind returns and in > the other it does not. This has been written of by many Realized on what type of consciousness remains. So don't be so quick to once again negate and pooh pooh . > Once again what I have seen is that she speaks not of a 'state' > that comes and goes. I can understand where you are coming > from and where she is and it is really saying the same thing in > the end. What reaches? She speaks that it is a death, you have said it is a death ? She calls it knowing you call it > understanding. Everyone wants to point and tear apart worldly > vocabulary when that is really nonsense. It is called pointing for the very fact that it Cannot be spoken of with any words that can give what it IS. So what should be looked at is what remains. Has there been a life altering and liberating remaining. > ******* > " Life alterating " and " liberation " are for those that " need " such things. :-) It " sells " really good though doesn't it? I rest my case! :-) OK once again you are avoiding the issue and question that was asked before. Since you negate liberation and the statement that she has said which is " there is nothing to be liberated from except your own mind " . Just What have you gotten out of it ? What remains for you? I believe that the statement of Ganga's that there is nothing to be liberated from except your own mind about says it quite clearly. It is not life that one needs liberation from but from themselves as a personal image. > I think she has spoken of the need to confront the " I " identity so > what is different in that from what you say? What I have seen is that many paths also sit with the mind where it stills enough to be confronted. What remains afterwards is a quite open and > unhindered consciousness. > **** Unhindered by what? Sounds like Ganga doesn't want to be " hindered " ? :-) This sentence is saying nothing. There is nothing that remains as a hinderance. What part of that are you not getting ? It doesn't seem to be saying at all the Ganga doesn't 'want' to be hindered it is saying that the consciousness is unhindered. That is a statement of fact not desire. Sounds like is a speculation. Quit assuming and speculating and look at what is being said at ground and core level. > By the way you have done another Dan and simply ignored the > rest of the questions and post. Or does it simply not suit your > agenda to answer it ? > > Sometimes what remains unanswered is just as telling as what > has been answered. > > ******** Sorry, I didn't mean to overlook anything. Show me again. But if you could keep stuff shorter and to the point I would appreciate it. Long ramblings I tend to skim over. Give me a break! :-) > > Judi Go back in the posts and you will find it. 3/4 of a post was totally swept under the carpet. The long ramblings as you call them are all points being made. It is this very glossing over and skimming that brings you to these erroneous conclusions and assumptions rather than looking at the heart of what is being said. I am sure that you have enough of a brain to follow what is being said. All it takes is reading one sentence at a time and then answering in a comprehensive dialog. This is not about proving one right and the other wrong. But in fact about uncovering that what is being said from both sides read by an impartial observer is really when stripped bare the same. One speaks in traditional language and the other in more modern terms and renderings , same message in the end. Unless you cop to remaining as a suffering personality which understood something which hasn't given anything other than simply something to be talked about. If there was no value in it at all then why do you continue to speak of it ? If you died to yourself then in fact what is it that remains? Once more here is a chance to bring some clarity. Ganga says there is only the Now. You say there is nowhere to go but here . Ganga says there was nothing to be liberated from except the mind ( the mind being that which holds the delusion of self) . You say there is nothing to be liberated from. Once again seems to come down to the same thing. The self Death happens then all that remains is the Now. Liberation and bondage were states of mind, there is nothing to be liberated from. Really I can't see any vast difference in what is being said except for the external way of explaining . What I am not seeing is the answers to these very easy questions and dialog. Perhaps it is you who are blind to others and caught within the fantasy web of your own illusion. At least Ganga is always straight forward and will answer whatever is put before her. While you and Dan dear Judy have simply danced around, side stepped, and attempted to deflect answering in any honesty for continued and repeated put downs rather than honest evaluations and openness. The Realized Masters of Sri Ramana, Rama Krishna, Aja, Chinul are all living in a fantasy ? Sri Sancacharya's famous Vivekcudamani is a fantasy? The upanishads and Lotus Sutra is fantasy ? If you really believe so (because if read carefully you will find that indeed what Ganga says is extremely consistent within each of these) then it is quite apparent that the deluded one is not Ganga but indeed Judy herself. In light of the fact that you haven't even answered the simple aforementioned questions and have blown it all off while choosing to make your statement " It is all kindergarten stuff , been there and done that " just simply negates the been there done that which is claimed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 <If you truly understood my position, you'd pity me. :-)> You have a position? Why do you need a position? Judi,Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > - > Onniko > Realization > Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:10 PM > Re: deb's ghost / Judi > > > ******* You totally mis-understand, no one goes *anywhere* nor > *becomes* anything, that's all a bunch of nonsense. It's the game > of greed that runs itself in circles. The " world " itself is nothing > but a big circle jerk. :-) > > BUt, didn't you say that Judi died? > > ******* No one " died " . It's just a way of pointing to understanding. > > You thought you were Judi, then > you saw that what you thought you were was just a phantom > thoughtform, then you were returned to awareness without the > interferance of concepts. > > *********** No. No one " returned " anywhere. What you could say, is that where there was mis-understanding, now there is understanding. There is no " coming and going " or " becoming " by anyone. > > That is still an activity that may or may > not have happened depending on what index of reality you want ot > use, but one which you may form enough of a memory of to put into > words. So, you must use memory. > > But, the question is, why not accept people as they are? > > ******* Oh contraire, I " accept " you more than you " accept " youself. > It's what you refuse to accept in and as yourself, you blame on me as my non-acceptance. > But that is not the case, it's your own " non-acceptance " that you're looking at, not mine. > In other words, if what I said didn't strike a chord in you, it wouldn't be an issue with you as something that you could accept or not accept. It wouldn't even be an issue. > > > > They know > what they really are or aren't. There is no way that they can't know > because they are the awareness that makes them. You can never help > them. > > ***** Another mis-understanding, I'm not looking to " help " anyone. > That's Ganga's deal. :-) You'll have to find a " guru " to play that game with you. > I look to destroy, not to " help " . If you truly understood my position, you'd pity me. :-) > > > You said you had no choice when Judi died. This is true, there > is no choice. I experience a miserable death on a day that started > out perfectly nice and normal and with no background to make me want > to disassemble whatever I was and with nothing but an average > personality and an average ego and an average life. I was never a > seeker, just a close observer that always felt the world was part of > me, but also felt that people were doing something that took me away > from myself. The something was giving me the need to cultivate the > ego more, of course. BUt, both nice people and mean people and most > of those in-between had a way of doing that. In other words, the > bullies or the bluntly honest either one never had a say in how or > when or why life decided to show me to myself from the inside out. > BUt, being shown allowed me to accept and appreciate others without > any fear of losing anything. > ***** Yes, heaven forbid you should lose anything! :-) Can't have THAT now can you? > > It's a constant " protecting " of yourself, if you could but see what you're doing? > > It's but a mis-understanding, that you are a " somebody " that could " have " , could " own " something in the first place. In other words, who *you* are, is nothing but an act of greed. > That's all anyone " amounts " to. Period, end of " story " . > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: {snip} for easy readability > ******** Sure, nothing has changed, except the seeking. If I could describe my position it would simply be one of " no seeking " . Like that song, I'm still the same great rhumba-girl I always was. :-) But better! :-) But seriously, like I told you before, I don't even give myself a thought, unless someone asks and then I have to think about it. There's no mindset of " Judi " anymore. It's like walking around headless. Nothing between the ears. :-) > There's no " quality " to it, if that makes any sense to you? I guess you could say it's the absense of any " quality " . Not to be trite and overstate the obvious, but it's just being with what is, whatever is the case. > > Judi Then no judi remains as such, there is nothing different in this and what ganga has said. It is simply a different way of saying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > - > manjusrilotus > Realization > Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:20 PM > Re: deb's ghost / Judi > > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " > <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > - > > Onniko > > Realization > > Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:10 PM > > Re: deb's ghost / Judi > > > > > > ******* You totally mis-understand, no one goes *anywhere* > nor > > *becomes* anything, that's all a bunch of nonsense. It's the > game > > of greed that runs itself in circles. The " world " itself is nothing > > but a big circle jerk. :-) > > > > BUt, didn't you say that Judi died? > > > > ******* No one " died " . It's just a way of pointing to > understanding. > > > So what happened ? Wasn't the thought of Judy the illusion. > Doesn't that in a way constitute a death, the death of an illusion? > Or did in fact nothing change with that understanding ? Did and > does the persona remain just as intact as before.? > > ******** Sure, nothing has changed, except the seeking. If I could describe my position it would simply be one of " no seeking " . Like that song, I'm still the same great rhumba-girl I always was. :-) But better! :-) But seriously, like I told you before, I don't even give myself a thought, unless someone asks and then I have to think about it. There's no mindset of " Judi " anymore. It's like walking around headless. Nothing between the ears. :-) > There's no " quality " to it, if that makes any sense to you? I guess you could say it's the absense of any " quality " . Not to be trite and overstate the obvious, but it's just being with what is, whatever is the case. > > Judi > > ******* Oh, and something else, which ties in with the seeking, is that I don't go around suffering desire anymore. Desire, if any, when it comes up, are like toys to me now, a " deliciousness " , whereas before I " suffered " them. :-) What can I say, I wasn't sharpest tool in the shed. :-) > > Judi So once again no difference. Ganga has said that there is no chasing anything what comes is enjoyed as it is . While it is there fine, and when it goes fine but in the moment it is savored. So in other words you don't suffer now ? Or is that only in relationship to desires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , "Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:What remains unanswered is just as telling as what has been said. I know this is a long winding post but it contains what dialog there was and the copouts that remain. There are two other posts that of course Judi dropped out of the dialog being that it entailed actually giving an answer rather than simply pointing a finger and saying how deluded someone else is. This is what is the most telling. I have never seen her say what she actually has gotten? ********* I told you already, nothing. Sheesh, don't you have ears? How many times do I have to tell you, I got nothing! If I "had" something like Ganga does (sic), I'd be out selling it. :-) Sheesh! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Left alone, a being grows more spontaneous. It's just a fact, not a desire. Love can be greed if it's contrived and insults and animosity are exactly the same. To turn from love because it had been contrived and to turn to destructive type behavior would be silly because the ass kicking would also be contrived, the being still not trusting spontaneity or understanding that every motion is felt in themselves as wish fulfillment. There is no longer any appreciable difference in you and one you'd care to destroy. That is pitiable but pity is a worthless trait because every being really is made of the same stuff and most of it is in your own head. Bottom line, it still doesn't make any difference at all what a Ganga is or does except ot a Ganga. BUt, someone we won't mention thinks it matters so much that she/he discusses the Ganga to other people with great implications that she/he is understanding and the Ganga is ignorance. Observers use the words to put onto the speaker as does the speaker's own self beneath the wall of ego. Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > It's but a mis-understanding, that you are a " somebody " that could " have " , could " own " something in the first place. In other words, who *you* are, is nothing but an act of greed. > That's all anyone " amounts " to. Period, end of " story " . > > ******* And to prove the point, take a deeper look into your " love " . It's nothing but selfish greed, of which your whole identity is wrapped up in and *is*! And if that's not enough to turn your stomach and bring your sorry ass to a halt, I don't know what will? > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 - Onniko Realization Saturday, April 19, 2003 5:58 PM Re: deb's ghost / Judi <If you truly understood my position, you'd pity me. :-)>You have a position? Why do you need a position? ******** My "position" is "no position", which has nothing to do with "need", but of understanding. "Understanding" is not need. Mis-understanding is where need comes from, in fact, mis-understanding IS need itself. In other words, you are needy because you mis-understand. They go hand in hand. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 > > > > - > > Onniko > > Realization > > Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:10 PM> > Re: deb's ghost / Judi> > > > > > ******* You totally mis-understand, no one goes *anywhere* > nor > > *becomes* anything, that's all a bunch of nonsense. It's the > game > > of greed that runs itself in circles. The "world" itself is nothing > > but a big circle jerk. :-)> > > > BUt, didn't you say that Judi died? > > > > ******* No one "died". It's just a way of pointing to > understanding. > > > So what happened ? Wasn't the thought of Judy the illusion. > Doesn't that in a way constitute a death, the death of an illusion?> Or did in fact nothing change with that understanding ? Did and > does the persona remain just as intact as before.? > > ******** Sure, nothing has changed, except the seeking. If I could describe my position it would simply be one of "no seeking". Like that song, I'm still the same great rhumba-girl I always was. :-) But better! :-) But seriously, like I told you before, I don't even give myself a thought, unless someone asks and then I have to think about it. There's no mindset of "Judi" anymore. It's like walking around headless. Nothing between the ears. :-) > There's no "quality" to it, if that makes any sense to you? I guess you could say it's the absense of any "quality". Not to be trite and overstate the obvious, but it's just being with what is, whatever is the case. > > Judi> > ******* Oh, and something else, which ties in with the seeking, is that I don't go around suffering desire anymore. Desire, if any, when it comes up, are like toys to me now, a "deliciousness", whereas before I "suffered" them. :-) What can I say, I wasn't sharpest tool in the shed. :-) > > JudiSo once again no difference. Ganga has said that there is no chasing anything what comes is enjoyed as it is . While it is there fine, and when it goes fine but in the moment it is savored. So in other words you don't suffer now ? Or is that only in relationship to desires? ********** The difference is, Ganga promotes herself as being beyond suffering. I give no such self promotion as to being "beyond" anything. And therein lies the difference if you can "grok" it. To say that I'm beyond anything is self promoting bullshit. In other words, who is she trying to *impress*, if not herself? And the thing is Manju, when she's called on that, and several of us have done it, she bristles and lashes out at us, in defense of her "beyond suffering" position. Do you see anything the matter with that picture? She "says" a lot of things, but put to the test, she falls short, over and over and over again. She obviously has some experience, but understanding in relation to herself is where she comes up short every time. She lacks the humor that people of understanding have and enjoy with each other. She "encloses" herself in her beyond-ness, if that makes any sense to you? Judi Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying? It's all word salad that doesn't say anything to me? Sorry. Judi - Onniko Realization Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:15 PM Re: deb's ghost / Judi Left alone, a being grows more spontaneous. It's just a fact, not a desire. Love can be greed if it's contrived and insults and animosity are exactly the same. To turn from love because it had been contrived and to turn to destructive type behavior would be silly because the ass kicking would also be contrived, the being still not trusting spontaneity or understanding that every motion is felt in themselves as wish fulfillment.There is no longer any appreciable difference in you and one you'd care to destroy. That is pitiable but pity is a worthless trait because every being really is made of the same stuff and most of it is in your own head.Bottom line, it still doesn't make any difference at all what a Ganga is or does except ot a Ganga. BUt, someone we won't mention thinks it matters so much that she/he discusses the Ganga to other people with great implications that she/he is understanding and the Ganga is ignorance. Observers use the words to put onto the speaker as does the speaker's own self beneath the wall of ego.Realization , "Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:> > It's but a mis-understanding, that you are a "somebody" that could "have", could "own" something in the first place. In other words, who *you* are, is nothing but an act of greed.> That's all anyone "amounts" to. Period, end of "story".> > ******* And to prove the point, take a deeper look into your "love". It's nothing but selfish greed, of which your whole identity is wrapped up in and *is*! And if that's not enough to turn your stomach and bring your sorry ass to a halt, I don't know what will?> > Judi..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " > <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > What remains unanswered is just as telling as what has been > said. I know this is a long winding post but it contains what > dialog there was and the copouts that remain. There are two > other posts that of course Judi dropped out of the dialog being > that it entailed actually giving an answer rather than simply > pointing a finger and saying how deluded someone else is. > > This is what is the most telling. I have never seen her say what > she actually has gotten? > > ********* I told you already, nothing. Sheesh, don't you have ears? How many times do I have to tell you, I got nothing! > > If I " had " something like Ganga does (sic), I'd be out selling it. :-) > > Sheesh! > > Judi It appears you are selling it . This once more brings to mind the question then what is it that you are promoting ? If you still suffer have gotten nothing, have had no changes what-so-ever then why so heavily on the net writing about your experience oh excuse me the moment that you " understood " . From the writing it appeared like an experience, being that it was couched in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 - manjusrilotus Realization Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:09 PM Re: deb's ghost / Judi Realization , "Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:> > > Realization , "Judi Rhodes" > <judirhodes@z...> wrote:> > What remains unanswered is just as telling as what has been > said. I know this is a long winding post but it contains what > dialog there was and the copouts that remain. There are two > other posts that of course Judi dropped out of the dialog being > that it entailed actually giving an answer rather than simply > pointing a finger and saying how deluded someone else is. > > This is what is the most telling. I have never seen her say what > she actually has gotten? > > ********* I told you already, nothing. Sheesh, don't you have ears? How many times do I have to tell you, I got nothing!> > If I "had" something like Ganga does (sic), I'd be out selling it. :-) > > Sheesh! > > JudiIt appears you are selling it . This once more brings to mind the question then what is it that you are promoting ? If you still suffer have gotten nothing, have had no changes what-so-ever then why so heavily on the net writing about your experience oh excuse me the moment that you "understood". From the writing it appeared like an experience, being that it was couched in time. ******* No "selling" here, it's sharing my understanding and observations and experiences. If you could see it as just that, a "sharing", I dare say you would see I'm not "selling" anything and in fact have "nothing" to sell. In other words, if you're a "buyer", you'll see everything in terms of buying and selling. But that is not in fact, what's going on. That's all the "buyer" mindset. Judi ...........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > Onniko > > > Realization > > > Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:10 PM > > > Re: deb's ghost / Judi > > > > > > > > > ******* You totally mis-understand, no one goes > *anywhere* > > nor > > > *becomes* anything, that's all a bunch of nonsense. It's > the > > game > > > of greed that runs itself in circles. The " world " itself is > nothing > > > but a big circle jerk. :-) > > > > > > BUt, didn't you say that Judi died? > > > > > > ******* No one " died " . It's just a way of pointing to > > understanding. > > > > > > So what happened ? Wasn't the thought of Judy the illusion. > > Doesn't that in a way constitute a death, the death of an > illusion? > > Or did in fact nothing change with that understanding ? Did > and > > does the persona remain just as intact as before.? > > > > ******** Sure, nothing has changed, except the seeking. If I > could describe my position it would simply be one of " no > seeking " . Like that song, I'm still the same great rhumba-girl I > always was. :-) But better! :-) But seriously, like I told you before, I > don't even give myself a thought, unless someone asks and > then I have to think about it. There's no mindset of " Judi " > anymore. It's like walking around headless. Nothing between the > ears. :-) > > There's no " quality " to it, if that makes any sense to you? I > guess you could say it's the absense of any " quality " . Not to be > trite and overstate the obvious, but it's just being with what is, > whatever is the case. > > > > Judi > > > > ******* Oh, and something else, which ties in with the > seeking, is that I don't go around suffering desire anymore. > Desire, if any, when it comes up, are like toys to me now, a > " deliciousness " , whereas before I " suffered " them. :-) What can I > say, I wasn't sharpest tool in the shed. :-) > > > > Judi > > > So once again no difference. Ganga has said that there is no > chasing anything what comes is enjoyed as it is . While it is > there fine, and when it goes fine but in the moment it is savored. > > So in other words you don't suffer now ? Or is that only in > relationship to desires? > > ********** The difference is, Ganga promotes herself as being beyond suffering. > I give no such self promotion as to being " beyond " anything. And therein lies the difference if you can " grok " it. To say that I'm beyond anything is self promoting bullshit. > In other words, who is she trying to *impress*, if not herself? And the thing is Manju, > when she's called on that, and several of us have done it, she bristles and lashes out at us, in defense of her " beyond suffering " position. Do you see anything the matter with that picture? She " says " a lot of things, but put to the test, she falls short, over and over and over again. She obviously has some experience, but understanding in relation to herself is where she comes up short every time. She lacks the humor that people of understanding have and enjoy with each other. She " encloses " herself in her beyond-ness, if that makes any sense to you? > > Judi I don't see a statement as being self promoting ? If in fact she is out of suffering then that is a fact and not bullshit. It would only be bullshit if it were a lie. I have never gotten any impression that she is attempting to impress anyone. And from what was written today by someone that has spent time with her neither do they. It is amazing that you can be so judgemental and have more insight then someone that has spent extensive time with her. I don't see where she " has " fallen short, except within your own judgemental reasoning. From what I can see once again (according to Texts and what has been read of other Sages) what she says and now what was posted from someone that has spent much time with her refutes quite readily your judgements. I can understand your position on suffering, but from what I have seen over and over again Ganga has spoken out against suffering and dispelling through Self Enquiry which breaks through the mental delsions and self ideas that contain the seed and root of it all. Since this was touted by Ramana and also Neti Neti by Nisargadata I see no falling short. Perhaps once again it is all you are willing to see. In just what way has she pissed you off? From one that knows her directly your claims of she has no humor are once again unfounded. Or is that claim made simply because she obviously does not relish the underhanded or continued B.S. that floats endlessly on the lists and is instead there just as she says to be of help rather than to simply B.S. and gossip about the latest perceived failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization@g roups.com, " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying? It's all word salad that doesn't say anything to me? > Sorry. > > Judi > How is it you can proceed to evaluate Ganga , her consciousness, her motives, her pointing and yet you say that this very simple to understand layman's english is salad? It is very self explanatory. Sometimes it simply boggles the mind. > > > > - > Onniko > Realization > Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:15 PM > Re: deb's ghost / Judi > > > Left alone, a being grows more spontaneous. It's just a fact, not a > desire. Love can be greed if it's contrived and insults and > animosity are exactly the same. To turn from love because it had > been contrived and to turn to destructive type behavior would be > silly because the ass kicking would also be contrived, the being > still not trusting spontaneity or understanding that every motion is > felt in themselves as wish fulfillment. > > There is no longer any appreciable difference in you and one you'd > care to destroy. That is pitiable but pity is a worthless trait > because every being really is made of the same stuff and most of it > is in your own head. > > Bottom line, it still doesn't make any difference at all what a > Ganga is or does except ot a Ganga. BUt, someone we won't mention > thinks it matters so much that she/he discusses the Ganga to other > people with great implications that she/he is understanding and the > Ganga is ignorance. Observers use the words to put onto the speaker > as does the speaker's own self beneath the wall of ego. > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > > > It's but a mis-understanding, that you are a " somebody " that > could " have " , could " own " something in the first place. In other > words, who *you* are, is nothing but an act of greed. > > That's all anyone " amounts " to. Period, end of " story " . > > > > ******* And to prove the point, take a deeper look into > your " love " . It's nothing but selfish greed, of which your whole > identity is wrapped up in and *is*! And if that's not enough to turn > your stomach and bring your sorry ass to a halt, I don't know what > will? > > > > Judi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 <And lest I remind you again Karta, your adolescent jealousy's showing.> here is me mirroring you AGAIN: you need much attention Judi for someone who thinks she surrendered her ego: at the MSOA where you are attacking the members; you used to call Jeff B in so many words " gay " : suggesting, that he should put on a pink tutu... your usual fits and tastles homophobic jokes. All because he is successful and you are NOT. Jeff just finished a seminar tour for executives and he was here in La last month too. Hence you were jealous of him too, but he ignores you; so there is no dialogue now you are going off on Ganga; who is goodhearted woman. By the way I am not jealous of you; but if I were you; I would seek professional help. I am smarter and better educated than you are, I've a broad worldview and my artwork is successful ...and I look much better than you <grin> see my photo [click on " about me " ]. As I traveled around the world I met many great gurus, so I know what a teacher is; here they are among my initiations: <http://santmat-meditation.net/1/gurus.html> and my page: <http://santmat-meditation.net/iam> Here is Jeff from guru_satsang: When discussing God with someone, just be the seeing. If you cannot do that in the midst of it, do it in reflection - as you review the discussion in your mind. Be the seeing. Keep in mind, a realized person speaks a different language than a person who only has their own thinking and emotions as their identity, their sense of being. With Self-realization, eternity in time is not the issue, life and death is not the issue. Fear and Doubt. Guilt and Regret. None of these are the issue anymore. Even the existence of God is not the issue. All these questions are answered in ways that the rational mind cannot think or imagine. The ego-minded can only learn by comparison, and modeling. An Awakened One sees the holy - the whole and complete nonduality of all...in God. All in love. Your realization and what you recognize as Nirvikalpa Samadhi is never at the mercy of argument. No one can ever argue you out of it. Experience is never at the mercy of argument. If we choose to use sacred language and they do not, that is one thing. But it goes to another layer. The language is meant differently than it is heard. The reasoning of the rational mind is not the way of " knowing " that an enlightened person has experienced. For a master, eternity is not measured in time. Only those who rely on comparison and concepts measure eternity in time. Eternity is NOW. Our part in it is one of Peace and Love and Joy. We entertain no " What if " debates. We entertain no " If onlys " . We live in each " eternal moment " . We are happy gardeners. We can only water the soil of the heart. And only a thirsty heart will drink it in. ! And only God (to those of us who use sacred language) grants the grace of yoga, samadhi, union with God. Remove any need to convince. Just give...all the love, God will do the rest. All the love, Jeff ----- Enlightenment Seminar - Maine in September. More information in Files Section http://www.mindgoal.com Judi: <http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/machine.htm> and your oneliners from: <meditationsocietyofamerica/message/3429> Re: Judi's message and Jeff's position ************ Yes, Jeff is all wrapped up in the satisfaction of > > his " experience " . :-) I wish I could be so satisfied! :-) hahahha > > > > Judi > > I wish you could, too, Judi. I love > life. I love this living experience. > I am in a field of joy.I defend my right > to be completely and utterly satisfied. > ******* It was a joke! There would have to be someone here in order to be satisfied. :-) You silly you! :-) Judi :-) Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 I don't see a statement as being self promoting ? If in fact she is out of suffering then that is a fact and not bullshit. It would only be bullshit if it were a lie. ******** Obviously you have not seen her in "action", but she twists, mis-interprets and out and out bold face lies and has been called on it. To me Manju, someone who has to resort to and deliberately twists and lies to defend herself has a serious problem. Or perhaps you're just not of the mind yourself to see it or have not seen it. All I can say to anybody is "buyer" beware, and that goes for anybody, not just Ganga. They're all over the place in these satsang halls everywhere. But these seekers are not of the mind to see what's REALLY going on, that's the LAST thing they want to see, is that the "guru" up there who promotes being "beyond" it all, is the one that's actually suffering. It's the seeker that wants to get "beyond" it all is what "gurus" are all about. Wherever there's a need, there will be someone there to fill it. If you get my drift? Judi I have never gotten any impression that she is attempting to impress anyone. And from what was written today by someone that has spent time with her neither do they. It is amazing that you can be so judgemental and have more insight then someone that has spent extensive time with her. I don't see where she "has" fallen short, except within your own judgemental reasoning. From what I can see once again (according to Texts and what has been read of other Sages) what she says and now what was posted from someone that has spent much time with her refutes quite readily your judgements. I can understand your position on suffering, but from what I have seen over and over again Ganga has spoken out against suffering and dispelling through Self Enquiry which breaks through the mental delsions and self ideas that contain the seed and root of it all. Since this was touted by Ramana and also Neti Neti by Nisargadata I see no falling short. Perhaps once again it is all you are willing to see. In just what way has she pissed you off?From one that knows her directly your claims of she has no humor are once again unfounded. Or is that claim made simply because she obviously does not relish the underhanded or continued B.S. that floats endlessly on the lists and is instead there just as she says to be of help rather than to simply B.S. and gossip about the latest perceived failing. ...........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > - > manjusrilotus > Realization > Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:09 PM > Re: deb's ghost / Judi > > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " > <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " > > <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > What remains unanswered is just as telling as what has > been > > said. I know this is a long winding post but it contains what > > dialog there was and the copouts that remain. There are two > > other posts that of course Judi dropped out of the dialog > being > > that it entailed actually giving an answer rather than simply > > pointing a finger and saying how deluded someone else is. > > > > This is what is the most telling. I have never seen her say > what > > she actually has gotten? > > > > ********* I told you already, nothing. Sheesh, don't you have > ears? How many times do I have to tell you, I got nothing! > > > > If I " had " something like Ganga does (sic), I'd be out selling it. > :-) > > > > Sheesh! > > > > Judi > > > It appears you are selling it . > > This once more brings to mind the question then what is it that > you are promoting ? If you still suffer have gotten nothing, have > had no changes what-so-ever then why so heavily on the net > writing about your experience oh excuse me the moment that you > " understood " . From the writing it appeared like an experience, > being that it was couched in time. > > ******* No " selling " here, it's sharing my understanding and observations and experiences. > If you could see it as just that, a " sharing " , I dare say you would see I'm not " selling " anything and in fact have " nothing " to sell. > > In other words, if you're a " buyer " , you'll see everything in terms of buying and selling. > But that is not in fact, what's going on. That's all the " buyer " mindset. > > Judi Then once again it is semantics. Ganga does not sell anything . It appears that not only does she work over the net, but in fact would travel at her expense simply to share what might be shared. I know for a fact that she has worked with and continues to work with kundalini problems, and has even gone to the extent of allowing them to stay in her place. If you know anything about kundalini you would know that people can become very unstable and ill within the midst of it all. And yet you continue to bomb blast and discredit her. She isn't simply spouting philosophy and rhetoric out the ass like so many. She is in fact working with kundalini and within that there are either perceivable results or not. It is not a guessing game or anything that may be handled with theories. It isn't a game of one upmanship as it requires real knowing, and not simply being able to reel off the latest advaitic jargon. So what is judging her ? Advaita spouting machines that are simply having a go and a good time . How convincing is that ? Maybe you should leave the judging to those that know whether or not she knows what she is doing. It appears that she in fact does because that type of knowlege and wisdom doesn't come from books or theories, or insights. Only someone that has traveled that road and completed can give that type of help and be successful at it over and over again. So how many have you brought from physical or mental illness or pain and suffering to balance ? She my friend has a tract record and it is all online and open to be viewed. Don't equate the babble on the lists as any light or indicator as a way to judge which one is a true Guru and Sage or not. I would suggest digging deeper . Look at what takes place outside of simply back and forth advaitic jargon lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Era " <mi_nok> wrote: > <And lest I remind you again Karta, your adolescent jealousy's showing.> > ************ Yes, Jeff is all wrapped up in the satisfaction of > > > his " experience " . :-) I wish I could be so satisfied! :-) > hahahha > > > > > > Judi > > > > I wish you could, too, Judi. I love > > life. I love this living experience. > > I am in a field of joy.I defend my right > > to be completely and utterly satisfied. > > > ******* It was a joke! There would have to be someone here in order > to be satisfied. :-) You silly you! :-) > Judi Isn't it amazing how one minute she wants to castrate Ganga for saying there is no self that remains and yet here she is saying the same thing. In one moment there is no self and in the next she claims nothing changed. So which is it ? Or is it another Dan flip flop of whatever suits the moment to establish their position and to negate someone else . I find it utterly fantastic that people can not see through this shammery. (new word do you like it ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Then once again it is semantics. Ganga does not sell anything . It appears that not only does she work over the net, but in fact would travel at her expense simply to share what might be shared. ******** If the deepest you can look is about "money" as to "what" she's selling, think again! She uses that excuse all the time, that she's not in it for the money. She's talking to kindergartners my friend! Judi I know for a fact that she has worked with and continues to work with kundalini problems, and has even gone to the extent of allowing them to stay in her place. If you know anything about kundalini you would know that people can become very unstable and ill within the midst of it all. And yet you continue to bomb blast and discredit her. She isn't simply spouting philosophy and rhetoric out the ass like so many. She is in fact working with kundalini and within that there are either perceivable results or not. It is not a guessing game or anything that may be handled with theories. It isn't a game of one upmanship as it requires real knowing, and not simply being able to reel off the latest advaitic jargon. So what is judging her ? Advaita spouting machines that are simply having a go and a good time . How convincing is that ? Maybe you should leave the judging to those that know whether or not she knows what she is doing. It appears that she in fact does because that type of knowlege and wisdom doesn't come from books or theories, or insights. Only someone that has traveled that road and completed can give that type of help and be successful at it over and over again. So how many have you brought from physical or mental illness or pain and suffering to balance ? She my friend has a tract record and it is all online and open to be viewed. Don't equate the babble on the lists as any light or indicator as a way to judge which one is a true Guru and Sage or not. I would suggest digging deeper . Look at what takes place outside of simply back and forth advaitic jargon lists. ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Isn't it amazing how one minute she wants to castrate Ganga for saying there is no self that remains and yet here she is saying the same thing. In one moment there is no self and in the next she claims nothing changed. So which is it ? Or is it another Dan flip flop of whatever suits the moment to establish their position and to negate someone else . I find it utterly fantastic that people can not see through this shammery. (new word do you like it ?) ********* You cannot *find* the person of understanding in "what" they say, but rather HOW they say it! They are not to be found in words themselves. Like a dear friend of mine that I love so very much, said, "Judi is like the sky, you can't stuff her into a milk carton, she doesn't FIT!" Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Still trying to measure yourself up to me are you Karta? Gee, I wonder what THAT is all about? Judi Realization , " Era " <mi_nok> wrote: > <And lest I remind you again Karta, your adolescent jealousy's showing.> > > here is me mirroring you AGAIN: you > need much attention Judi for someone > who thinks she surrendered her ego: > > at the MSOA where you are attacking > the members; you used to call Jeff B > in so many words " gay " : suggesting, > that he should put on a pink tutu... > your usual fits and tastles > homophobic jokes. All because he is successful and you are NOT. Jeff just > finished a seminar tour for > executives and he was here in La > last month too. > > Hence you were jealous of him too, > but he ignores you; so there is no > dialogue now you are going off on > Ganga; who is goodhearted woman. > > By the way I am not jealous of you; > but if I were you; I would seek > professional help. > > I am smarter and better educated than > you are, I've a broad worldview and > my artwork is successful ...and I > look much better than you <grin> see > my photo [click on " about me " ]. > > As I traveled around the world I met > many great gurus, so I know what a > teacher is; here they are among my initiations: <http://santmat- meditation.net/1/gurus.html> > and my page: <http://santmat-meditation.net/iam> > > Here is Jeff from guru_satsang: > > When discussing God with someone, > just be the seeing. If you cannot > do that in the midst of it, do it > in reflection - as you review the > discussion in your mind. Be the > seeing. > > Keep in mind, a realized person speaks a > different language than a person > who only has their own thinking and > emotions as their identity, their > sense of being. > > With Self-realization, eternity in time > is not the issue, life and death > is not the issue. Fear and Doubt. > Guilt and Regret. None of these > are the issue anymore. > Even the existence > of God is not the issue. > > All these questions are answered > in ways that the rational mind > cannot think or imagine. The > ego-minded can only learn by > comparison, and modeling. An > Awakened One sees the holy - > the whole and complete nonduality > of all...in God. All in love. > Your realization and what you > recognize as Nirvikalpa Samadhi > is never at the mercy of argument. > > No one can ever argue you out > of it. Experience is never at > the mercy of argument. > If we choose to use sacred language > and they do not, that is one thing. > But it goes to another layer. > > The language is meant differently > than it is heard. The reasoning > of the rational mind is not the > way of " knowing " that an enlightened > person has experienced. > > For a master, eternity is not measured > in time. Only those who rely on > comparison and concepts measure > eternity in time. > > Eternity is NOW. Our part in > it is one of Peace and Love > and Joy. > > We entertain no " What if " debates. > We entertain no " If onlys " . > We live in each " eternal moment " . > We are happy gardeners. We can > only water the soil of the heart. > > And only a thirsty heart will drink > it in. ! And only God (to those of > us who use sacred language) grants > the grace of yoga, samadhi, union > with God. > > Remove any need to convince. > Just give...all the love, > God will do the rest. > All the love, > > Jeff > > ----- > Enlightenment Seminar - > Maine in September. > More information > in Files Section > http://www.mindgoal.com > > Judi: <http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/machine.htm> and your oneliners from: <meditationsocietyofamerica/message/3429 > > > Re: Judi's message and Jeff's position > > ************ Yes, Jeff is all wrapped up in the satisfaction of > > > his " experience " . :-) I wish I could be so satisfied! :-) > hahahha > > > > > > Judi > > > > I wish you could, too, Judi. I love > > life. I love this living experience. > > I am in a field of joy.I defend my right > > to be completely and utterly satisfied. > > > ******* It was a joke! There would have to be someone here in order > to be satisfied. :-) You silly you! :-) > Judi > > :-) Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > I don't see a statement as being self promoting ? If in fact she is > out of suffering then that is a fact and not bullshit. It would only > be bullshit if it were a lie. > > ******** Obviously you have not seen her in " action " , but she twists, mis-interprets and out and out bold face lies and has been called on it. To me Manju, someone who has to resort to and deliberately twists and lies to defend herself has a serious problem. Or perhaps you're just not of the mind yourself to see it or have not seen it. All I can say to anybody is " buyer " beware, and that goes for anybody, not just Ganga. They're all over the place in these satsang halls everywhere. But these seekers are not of the mind to see what's REALLY going on, that's the LAST thing they want to see, is that the " guru " up there who promotes being " beyond " it all, is the one that's actually suffering. It's the seeker that wants to get " beyond " it all is what " gurus " are all about. > Wherever there's a need, there will be someone there to fill it. If you get my drift? > > Judi I get the drift that you are jealous. Ganga doesn't tour the country giving the Satsangs. There haven't been any lies that I have seen . Although I have seen her post someones words and dialogs back to then. That has nothing to do with lying but confronting in a responsible manner. What a foolish statement right they should go to one that is suffering ? That is like going to one caught in a jail to teach your how to get out of the jail. I see that you are still taking one sentence out of the whole post and attempting to deflect the attention away from the rest. Isn't this called avoidance ? I have seen her in action and this is why the respect is there. I have never seen her in any lie or distortion. I have seen you on numerous occasions come behind her every post taunting and attempting to draw her into your nonsense. You keep saying she is caught in bold face lies then come up with it . You are great at throwing out innuendos but no proof at all. I have seen her come in with proof and others may not like it and they may whine and squirm under the light of truth but what she puts is right up front honest. It isn't done with innuendo or name calling or any of the other childish and petty manuevers that I have come to see over and over again on the lists. The Judi quote : To me Manju, someone who has to resort to and deliberately twists and lies to defend herself has a serious problem. It appears Judi then indeed you have a serious problem and should perhaps seek counseling . I don't mean to be disrespectful but your continuing allegations without any proof is the tactic of someone that Has No proof. Simply having your cronies back you up means nothing. Good old boys clubs usually don't stand up in the light of day in the end. It is usually the one that bucks them that has the backbone and resiliency to withstand the gang type mentality that pervades so many of the lists. Especially when it is conjunction with Judy. I think so many that jump on your train are those that simply want to remain on your good side and out of the line of fire. If any buyer should beware it is any buyer that buys into the whole end of the rope ranch line. Have Any from there gotten any type of help or come out of anything at all ? Can you truly say that it has made any type of differance other than giving a place where people can go to be insulted . Seems like a fine place for a whipping boy or a masochist to hang out. From what I have heard their are a whole lot of people that leave there in worse shape than when they went in . So yes indeed buyer beware . > I have never gotten any impression that she is attempting to > impress anyone. And from what was written today by someone > that has spent time with her neither do they. It is amazing that > you can be so judgemental and have more insight then > someone that has spent extensive time with her. > > I don't see where she " has " fallen short, except within your own > judgemental reasoning. From what I can see once again > (according to Texts and what has been read of other Sages) > what she says and now what was posted from someone that > has spent much time with her refutes quite readily your > judgements. > > I can understand your position on suffering, but from what I have > seen over and over again Ganga has spoken out against > suffering and dispelling through Self Enquiry which breaks > through the mental delsions and self ideas that contain the seed > and root of it all. > Since this was touted by Ramana and also Neti Neti by > Nisargadata I see no falling short. Perhaps once again it is all > you are willing to see. In just what way has she pissed you off? > > From one that knows her directly your claims of she has no > humor are once again unfounded. Or is that claim made simply > because she obviously does not relish the underhanded or > continued B.S. that floats endlessly on the lists and is instead > there just as she says to be of help rather than to simply B.S. > and gossip about the latest perceived failing. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > I don't see a statement as being self promoting ? If in fact she is > out of suffering then that is a fact and not bullshit. It would only > be bullshit if it were a lie. > > ******** Obviously you have not seen her in " action " , but she twists, mi= s-interprets and out and out bold face lies and has been called on it. To me= Manju, someone who has to resort to and deliberately twists and lies to def= end herself has a serious problem. ¶¶¶¶¶ Bingo! Judi, you are talking to your own self. so; you have a chance, that one day you'll face yourself again: and than you can go ahead and dismantle this needy preaching Reverend you created who has nothing to do with facing what IS; since she lives in cyber-lala-land she forces on judi Karta Or perhaps you're just not of the mind yourself to see it or have not seen = it. All I can say to anybody is " buyer " beware, and that goes for anybody, = not just Ganga. They're all over the place in these satsang halls everywher= e. But these seekers are not of the mind to see what's REALLY going on, that= 's the LAST thing they want to see, is that the " guru " up there who promotes= being " beyond " it all, is the one that's actually suffering. It's the seeke= r that wants to get " beyond " it all is what " gurus " are all about. > Wherever there's a need, there will be someone there to fill it. If you = get my drift? > > Judi > > > I have never gotten any impression that she is attempting to > impress anyone. And from what was written today by someone > that has spent time with her neither do they. It is amazing that > you can be so judgemental and have more insight then > someone that has spent extensive time with her. > > I don't see where she " has " fallen short, except within your own > judgemental reasoning. From what I can see once again > (according to Texts and what has been read of other Sages) > what she says and now what was posted from someone that > has spent much time with her refutes quite readily your > judgements. > > I can understand your position on suffering, but from what I have > seen over and over again Ganga has spoken out against > suffering and dispelling through Self Enquiry which breaks > through the mental delsions and self ideas that contain the seed > and root of it all. > Since this was touted by Ramana and also Neti Neti by > Nisargadata I see no falling short. Perhaps once again it is all > you are willing to see. In just what way has she pissed you off? > > From one that knows her directly your claims of she has no > humor are once again unfounded. Or is that claim made simply > because she obviously does not relish the underhanded or > continued B.S. that floats endlessly on the lists and is instead > there just as she says to be of help rather than to simply B.S. > and gossip about the latest perceived failing. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Think what you will, like I said, if you think myself and several others have our heads up our asses, so be it. Judi - manjusrilotus Realization Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:52 PM Re: deb's ghost / Judi Realization , "Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:> > I don't see a statement as being self promoting ? If in fact she is > out of suffering then that is a fact and not bullshit. It would only > be bullshit if it were a lie. > > ******** Obviously you have not seen her in "action", but she twists, mis-interprets and out and out bold face lies and has been called on it. To me Manju, someone who has to resort to and deliberately twists and lies to defend herself has a serious problem. Or perhaps you're just not of the mind yourself to see it or have not seen it. All I can say to anybody is "buyer" beware, and that goes for anybody, not just Ganga. They're all over the place in these satsang halls everywhere. But these seekers are not of the mind to see what's REALLY going on, that's the LAST thing they want to see, is that the "guru" up there who promotes being "beyond" it all, is the one that's actually suffering. It's the seeker that wants to get "beyond" it all is what "gurus" are all about. > Wherever there's a need, there will be someone there to fill it. If you get my drift? > > JudiI get the drift that you are jealous. Ganga doesn't tour the country giving the Satsangs. There haven't been any lies that I have seen . Although I have seen her post someones words and dialogs back to then. That has nothing to do with lying but confronting in a responsible manner. What a foolish statement right they should go to one that is suffering ? That is like going to one caught in a jail to teach your how to get out of the jail. I see that you are still taking one sentence out of the whole post and attempting to deflect the attention away from the rest. Isn't this called avoidance ? I have seen her in action and this is why the respect is there. I have never seen her in any lie or distortion. I have seen you on numerous occasions come behind her every post taunting and attempting to draw her into your nonsense. You keep saying she is caught in bold face lies then come up with it . You are great at throwing out innuendos but no proof at all. I have seen her come in with proof and others may not like it and they may whine and squirm under the light of truth but what she puts is right up front honest. It isn't done with innuendo or name calling or any of the other childish and petty manuevers that I have come to see over and over again on the lists. The Judi quote : To me Manju, someone who has to resort to and deliberately twists and lies to defend herself has a serious problem. It appears Judi then indeed you have a serious problem and should perhaps seek counseling . I don't mean to be disrespectful but your continuing allegations without any proof is the tactic of someone that Has No proof. Simply having your cronies back you up means nothing. Good old boys clubs usually don't stand up in the light of day in the end. It is usually the one that bucks them that has the backbone and resiliency to withstand the gang type mentality that pervades so many of the lists. Especially when it is conjunction with Judy. I think so many that jump on your train are those that simply want to remain on your good side and out of the line of fire. If any buyer should beware it is any buyer that buys into the whole end of the rope ranch line. Have Any from there gotten any type of help or come out of anything at all ? Can you truly say that it has made any type of differance other than giving a place where people can go to be insulted . Seems like a fine place for a whipping boy or a masochist to hang out. From what I have heard their are a whole lot of people that leave there in worse shape than when they went in . So yes indeed buyer beware . > I have never gotten any impression that she is attempting to > impress anyone. And from what was written today by someone > that has spent time with her neither do they. It is amazing that > you can be so judgemental and have more insight then > someone that has spent extensive time with her. > > I don't see where she "has" fallen short, except within your own > judgemental reasoning. From what I can see once again > (according to Texts and what has been read of other Sages) > what she says and now what was posted from someone that > has spent much time with her refutes quite readily your > judgements. > > I can understand your position on suffering, but from what I have > seen over and over again Ganga has spoken out against > suffering and dispelling through Self Enquiry which breaks > through the mental delsions and self ideas that contain the seed > and root of it all. > Since this was touted by Ramana and also Neti Neti by > Nisargadata I see no falling short. Perhaps once again it is all > you are willing to see. In just what way has she pissed you off?> > From one that knows her directly your claims of she has no > humor are once again unfounded. Or is that claim made simply > because she obviously does not relish the underhanded or > continued B.S. that floats endlessly on the lists and is instead > there just as she says to be of help rather than to simply B.S. > and gossip about the latest perceived failing. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > Isn't it amazing how one minute she wants to castrate Ganga for > saying there is no self that remains and yet here she is saying > the same thing. > > In one moment there is no self and in the next she claims > nothing changed. So which is it ? Or is it another Dan flip flop > of whatever suits the moment to establish their position and to > negate someone else . > > > I find it utterly fantastic that people can not see through this > shammery. (new word do you like it ?) > > ********* You cannot *find* the person of understanding in " what " they say, but rather HOW they say it! > > They are not to be found in words themselves. Like a dear friend of mine that I love so very much, said, " Judi is like the sky, you can't stuff her into a milk carton, she doesn't FIT! " > > Judi On the contrary I have seen from these exchanges that Judi has herself and everyone else consigned into some nice little box with the Judi evaluation and label attached. If " how it is said " , is any indicator then Lady you are in a world of problems on most occasions. The off the wall b.s. is really a fine indicator of that maxim in motion. sheesh . Did I just say sheesh looks like I have seen to many Judi posts. So on that note good night and goodbye time to get ready for Easter . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Think what you will, like I said, if you think myself and several others have our heads up our asses, so be it. > > Judi > OK works for me. When you pull your head out and see daylight again let me know. Until then enjoy the view . And goodnight Misses Callabash wherever you are . Ink-a-dink-a-dee-a-dinka-dee-a-dinka-do > > - > manjusrilotus > Realization > Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:52 PM > Re: deb's ghost / Judi > > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " > <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > I don't see a statement as being self promoting ? If in fact she > is > > out of suffering then that is a fact and not bullshit. It would only > > be bullshit if it were a lie. > > > > ******** Obviously you have not seen her in " action " , but she > twists, mis-interprets and out and out bold face lies and has > been called on it. To me Manju, someone who has to resort to > and deliberately twists and lies to defend herself has a serious > problem. Or perhaps you're just not of the mind yourself to see it > or have not seen it. All I can say to anybody is " buyer " beware, > and that goes for anybody, not just Ganga. They're all over the > place in these satsang halls everywhere. But these seekers are > not of the mind to see what's REALLY going on, that's the LAST > thing they want to see, is that the " guru " up there who promotes > being " beyond " it all, is the one that's actually suffering. It's the > seeker that wants to get " beyond " it all is what " gurus " are all > about. > > Wherever there's a need, there will be someone there to fill it. > If you get my drift? > > > > Judi > > > I get the drift that you are jealous. Ganga doesn't tour the country > giving the Satsangs. There haven't been any lies that I have > seen . Although I have seen her post someones words and > dialogs back to then. That has nothing to do with lying but > confronting in a responsible manner. > > What a foolish statement right they should go to one that is > suffering ? That is like going to one caught in a jail to teach your > how to get out of the jail. > > I see that you are still taking one sentence out of the whole post > and attempting to deflect the attention away from the rest. Isn't > this called avoidance ? I have seen her in action and this is why > the respect is there. I have never seen her in any lie or distortion. > I have seen you on numerous occasions come behind her every > post taunting and attempting to draw her into your nonsense. > > You keep saying she is caught in bold face lies then come up > with it . You are great at throwing out innuendos but no proof at > all. I have seen her come in with proof and others may not like it > and they may whine and squirm under the light of truth but what > she puts is right up front honest. It isn't done with innuendo or > name calling or any of the other childish and petty manuevers > that I have come to see over and over again on the lists. > > The Judi quote : To me Manju, someone who has to resort to > and deliberately twists and lies to defend herself has a serious > problem. > > It appears Judi then indeed you have a serious problem and > should perhaps seek counseling . > > I don't mean to be disrespectful but your continuing allegations > without any proof is the tactic of someone that Has No proof. > Simply having your cronies back you up means nothing. Good > old boys clubs usually don't stand up in the light of day in the > end. It is usually the one that bucks them that has the backbone > and resiliency to withstand the gang type mentality that pervades > so many of the lists. Especially when it is conjunction with Judy. > I think so many that jump on your train are those that simply want > to remain on your good side and out of the line of fire. > > If any buyer should beware it is any buyer that buys into the > whole end of the rope ranch line. Have Any from there gotten any > type of help or come out of anything at all ? Can you truly say that > it has made any type of differance other than giving a place > where people can go to be insulted . Seems like a fine place for > a whipping boy or a masochist to hang out. From what I have > heard their are a whole lot of people that leave there in worse > shape than when they went in . So yes indeed buyer beware . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never gotten any impression that she is attempting to > > impress anyone. And from what was written today by > someone > > that has spent time with her neither do they. It is amazing that > > you can be so judgemental and have more insight then > > someone that has spent extensive time with her. > > > > I don't see where she " has " fallen short, except within your own > > judgemental reasoning. From what I can see once again > > (according to Texts and what has been read of other Sages) > > what she says and now what was posted from someone that > > has spent much time with her refutes quite readily your > > judgements. > > > > I can understand your position on suffering, but from what I > have > > seen over and over again Ganga has spoken out against > > suffering and dispelling through Self Enquiry which breaks > > through the mental delsions and self ideas that contain the > seed > > and root of it all. > > Since this was touted by Ramana and also Neti Neti by > > Nisargadata I see no falling short. Perhaps once again it is > all > > you are willing to see. In just what way has she pissed you > off? > > > > From one that knows her directly your claims of she has no > > humor are once again unfounded. Or is that claim made > simply > > because she obviously does not relish the underhanded or > > continued B.S. that floats endlessly on the lists and is instead > > there just as she says to be of help rather than to simply B.S. > > and gossip about the latest perceived failing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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