Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 What drives someone to decline to name calling ? Is it that they need to feel superior? Is it that they loath and fear that which they cannot get over on? Is it that someone or something is threatening their position? Is it that balance and wisdom has gone out the door in favor of reactionary striking out ? Does that type of onslaught really secure self worth or bring a validation of the message they are attempting to impart ? Is Love degraded in favor of personal control and power ? What seeks to control or damage is that which has no security or balance. Would not true wisdom be beyond such childish means ? It makes one wonder at why anyone would gravitate to listening or accepting as wise someone that must resort to such venues. Om mani padme hum . The Jewel is in the HEART of the LOTUS. Love is within the Pure Realm and against Love there is no law. hatred never breeds love Love breeds hatred - only within hearts that have no light, no love, no wisdom, no humanity, no compassion, or dharma . Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 What drives someone to decline to name calling ? The same lawfulness when someone declines to not do name calling. Is this a Pureland group? Is it that they need to feel superior? Some do and some dont. Who is going to generalize?Is it that they loath and fear that which they cannot get over on? Ask Judi!Is it that someone or something is threatening their position? No because there are no positions only impositions. Is it that balance and wisdom has gone out the door in favor of reactionary striking out ? Who is the striker?Does that type of onslaught really secure self worth or bring a validation of the message they are attempting to impart ? Absolutely if one is on the path to give up Self limiting attachements. I love Judi. Is Love degraded in favor of personal control and power ? Love is personal control and power. Love is in all and does not descrimate.What seeks to control or damage is that which has no security or balance. Would not true wisdom be beyond such childish means ? It makes one wonder at why anyone would gravitate to listening or accepting as wise someone that must resort to such venues. You sure have not given up Self limiting opinions. "Do not search for the truth...cease to cherish opinions"Om mani padme hum . The Jewel is in the HEART of the LOTUS. That is your mantra? Love is within the Pure Realm and against Love there is no law. Are you the law maker?hatred never breeds love Yes is does to the conscious ones like me. hehehe Love breeds hatred - only within hearts that have no light, no love, no wisdom, no humanity, no compassion, or dharma . Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there IS. There are no hearts that dont have light. With all the love and hate the Self grants me, Ramana Maharshi p.s I am going to a Seder tonight so I wont answer until later. Preparing a cabbage salad with sauteed red peppers, hijiki and toasted seseme seed. Not kosher for Passover. So you didn't know Ramana was Jewish????? ...........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 - " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus <Realization > Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:58 PM Name Calling ( wisdom or fear ? ) > > What drives someone to decline to name calling ? > > Is it that they need to feel superior? > > Is it that they loath and fear that which they cannot get over on? > > Is it that someone or something is threatening their position? > > Is it that balance and wisdom has gone out the door in favor of > reactionary striking out ? > > Does that type of onslaught really secure self worth or bring a > validation of the message they are attempting to impart ? > > Is Love degraded in favor of personal control and power ? > > What seeks to control or damage is that which has no security or > balance. Would not true wisdom be beyond such childish > means ? It makes one wonder at why anyone would gravitate to > listening or accepting as wise someone that must resort to such > venues. > > Om mani padme hum . > The Jewel is in the HEART of the LOTUS. > > Love is within the Pure Realm and against Love there is no law. > > hatred never breeds love > Love breeds hatred - only within hearts that have no light, no > love, no wisdom, no humanity, no compassion, or dharma . > Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there IS. Hi Manju, It would seem as if the Realization which is pointed to in a good deal of the nondual lists is empty of content. Once the illusion of the self is seen through, it is taken that there is no one to be responsible for being nice or nasty. Liberation trumps ethics. Another point that comes to mind in reference to your question is a discussion I just came across in Tony Parson's book " The Open Secret " . As I understand him, TP says that there is an incomplete realization, often connnected to a deep personal experience, in which those who have understood understand themselves to be special, not realizing that the true understanding undermines specialness. The Tony Parson's discussion on this point is set forth at the beginning of an early chapter in the book called " No One Becomes Enlightened " and goes, in my edition of the book, from page 15 to 17. Still, to the best I can tell, these special ones have a special place in God's world, and will be justly rewarded for the good work they do in helping the rest of us come down off our high horses and learn to take a good punch in the nose. Still reeling and a bit woosey from that last punch......Harvey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus> wrote: > Om mani padme hum . > Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there IS. That is nice; Happy Passover and Eastern everyone ! Love-peace, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 > That is nice; Happy Passover and > Eastern everyone ! The same to you and everyone. Rob - " satkartar5 " <mi_nok <Realization > Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:59 PM Re: Name Calling ( wisdom or fear ? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Dear Harvey, > Liberation trumps ethics. Yes some people give that impression. I don't know how things seem after the ego is gone for good. But I do know that kindness and goodness are intimately connected somehow with truth. With the divine. This is felt in the heart. I don't believe that this knowledge will be swept away with realization. On the contrary, I think this knowledge only gets deeper. Best wishes to you my friend, Rob - " Harvey Schneider " <haarvi1 <Realization > Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:05 PM Re: Name Calling ( wisdom or fear ? ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > What drives someone to decline to name calling ? The devil. > Is it that they need to feel superior? Lots of endless questions about them, and the bad things they do -- have fun with these self-affirming questions. > Is it that they loath and fear that which they cannot get over on? Enquiring minds want to know. > Is it that someone or something is threatening their position? Ah, the endless speculations that drive the agitated mind in search of a spiritual feeling. > Is it that balance and wisdom has gone out the door in favor of > reactionary striking out ? Translation: I feel insulted. > Does that type of onslaught really secure self worth or bring a > validation of the message they are attempting to impart ? Translation: It wouldn't be spiritual to criticize them, so I'll ask questions that imply my superiority. > Is Love degraded in favor of personal control and power ? Translation: my version of Love I developed to suit me, and so it seems degraded when it appears in forms I don't like. > What seeks to control or damage is that which has no security or > balance. Would not true wisdom be beyond such childish > means ? It makes one wonder at why anyone would gravitate to > listening or accepting as wise someone that must resort to such > venues. Translation: I like seeing myself as wise, and others as beneath me. > Om mani padme hum . > The Jewel is in the HEART of the LOTUS. And, I know a lot of cool spiritual quotes I can throw in, in case you didn't get how spiritual I really am. > Love is within the Pure Realm and against Love there is no law. Translation: Yeah, I'm cool. > hatred never breeds love > Love breeds hatred - only within hearts that have no light, no > love, no wisdom, no humanity, no compassion, or dharma . Yes, I'm way spiritual and full of love. It's those bad other people that mess it up for us spiritual folks. > Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there IS. I'm really giving, you see. Giving of the spiritual wisdom that validates my self as being beyond ego, and others as being full of ego. Hey, have you met Ganga yet? Laughing, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > Dear Harvey, > > > Liberation trumps ethics. > > Yes some people give that impression. > > I don't know how things seem after the ego is > gone for good. But I do know that kindness > and goodness are intimately connected somehow > with truth. With the divine. This is felt in the heart. > > I don't believe that this knowledge will be swept > away with realization. On the contrary, I think this > knowledge only gets deeper. > > Best wishes to you my friend, > > Rob If you think there is something to be liberated from, then you are stuck with your " liberation " ... Ethics and freedom are the same ... Freedom is the ethics of life energy as is. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > Dear Harvey, > > > Liberation trumps ethics. > > Yes some people give that impression. > > I don't know how things seem after the ego is > gone for good. But I do know that kindness > and goodness are intimately connected somehow > with truth. With the divine. This is felt in the heart. > > I don't believe that this knowledge will be swept > away with realization. On the contrary, I think this > knowledge only gets deeper. > > Best wishes to you my friend, > > Rob May it be suggested that the reading of Paramhansa Yogananda, Sri Ramana Maharishi, Sri Rama Krishna, New testament Words of Christ, the Uddhava Gita (last words and instructions to the older more seasoned devottee by Krishna , before leaving this plane of existence) it will dispel and idea that ethics are replaced with overtly bogus behavior. On the top end of the scale of putting it in your face read Kabir. Honest and open but not taunting, not demeaning, not using this being above everyone else so whatever is done is done by God because I am no longer in control. God does Not act through these means - this is the outpouring of ego. As said in the very accurate article posted the other day - Sri Ramana said if it doesn't end in the heart - then it is Not completed and not real. Does realization give anyone the right to simply steal what they want ? Or to pull out a gun and kill someone because there was an annoyance? If there is no right and wrong then why not? Yes this is an extreme example but no less than what is happening to seekers that are coming seeking answers. You must in the end confront your self. But this must come from within. Yes it can be brutal but it is quite different than what is being touted here as putting light on what is your *personal* problem. This external judgements have no place in it. At some point you will either confront yourself brutally or will surrender 100 % to God. but it must come from deep within in a spontenous and heartfelt way. It is not going to come by some externally contrived setting of name calling and put downs . Sorry doesn't work that way. One who is Realized should have dropped rajas and tamas for the balance of Satva. They move from the heart of compassion. It is this very belief that some wish you to entertain so that they may continue to abuse and delight in their abuse under the heading of being *above it all* , or just in fun, or helping in their own sic way . They are not. Love is what should remain. A teacher may indeed point to something which may feel painful to look at . But it isn't done with taunts and name calling it is done with love and compassion. Compassion may be tough but it is not cruel and demeaning. Name calling is never done with compassion it is done to hurt, to establish like animals a heirarchy of control and domination , or out of personal pain which seeks to inflict the same pain within others. Where does love come into the picture in this? Love is honest - it may feel brutal but it is Not cruel, not demeaning, not spiteful, does not resort to name calling . That is not love . That is abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > > What drives someone to decline to name calling ? > > The devil. > > > Is it that they need to feel superior? > > Lots of endless questions about them, and the > bad things they do -- have fun with these > self-affirming questions. > > > Is it that they loath and fear that which they cannot get over on? > > Enquiring minds want to know. > > > Is it that someone or something is threatening their position? > > Ah, the endless speculations that drive the agitated mind > in search of a spiritual feeling. > > > Is it that balance and wisdom has gone out the door in favor of > > reactionary striking out ? > > Translation: I feel insulted. > > > Does that type of onslaught really secure self worth or bring a > > validation of the message they are attempting to impart ? > > Translation: It wouldn't be spiritual to criticize them, > so I'll ask questions that imply my superiority. > > > Is Love degraded in favor of personal control and power ? > > Translation: my version of Love I developed to suit me, and so it > seems degraded when it appears in forms I don't like. > > > What seeks to control or damage is that which has no security or > > balance. Would not true wisdom be beyond such childish > > means ? It makes one wonder at why anyone would gravitate to > > listening or accepting as wise someone that must resort to such > > venues. > > Translation: I like seeing myself as wise, and others as > beneath me. > > > Om mani padme hum . > > The Jewel is in the HEART of the LOTUS. > > And, I know a lot of cool spiritual quotes I can throw in, > in case you didn't get how spiritual I really am. > > > Love is within the Pure Realm and against Love there is no law. > > Translation: Yeah, I'm cool. > > > hatred never breeds love > > Love breeds hatred - only within hearts that have no light, no > > love, no wisdom, no humanity, no compassion, or dharma . > > Yes, I'm way spiritual and full of love. It's those bad > other people that mess it up for us spiritual folks. > > > Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there > IS. > > I'm really giving, you see. Giving of the spiritual wisdom > that validates my self as being beyond ego, and others > as being full of ego. > > Hey, have you met Ganga yet? > > Laughing, > Dan Would probably quite enjoy it. From the answers you have given here, and with your low opinion of her then indeed she might be a person worth checking out. The devil is simply the ego personified, so your statement the devil made me do it would be a quite accurate and telling statement. For every attempt to turn everything around into all is wrong except yourself - this statement in fact clears up a lot for me. Thank you for the honesty about where you are truly coming from . The ego made him do it . He has no control at all simply a puppet on a string that dances to the tune of ego. A very fine tap dance indeed if you are into that sort of thing. Try giving youself a punch in the nose instead of Harvey . How about that for reality? No I guess not. It appears that you are only into putting down others and not into looking into your own self motivations which equates out to you talk a good talk but that is about it. The sarcasms and endless turning everything from white to black is getting old at best. Instead of projecting that big Ego of yours why not try to surrender to Love? It is the death to control and manipulation and look at how brilliant I am. It would be the end of turning white into black . I really have nothing against you but pity your endless face of suffering which is apparent in your ever caustic remarks and validations of put downs versus the path of Love and surrender. Self realization is the end of torment and tormentor. It brings the Peace and Harmony of Self which lives as a seed in the innermost temple of the Heart. So no matter what seemingly brilliant put down you are going to attempt . I wish you well. I wish you Love. I wish you Peace . I wish you the Beauty of the Day . I wish you the Eternal Oneness of Being that sees Harmony rather than inharmonious. Avatamsaka's One-Vehicle Dharmadhatu: As I sit upright on the seat of the middle way at the reality limit, What has been unmoving since of old is called Buddha. Question: Sentient beings who are completely bound have yet to excise the defilements or to achieve merit and wisdom. For what reason is it said that Buddhahood has already been achieved since of old? Answer: If defilements are not yet excised, it cannot be said that Buddhahood has been achieved; but once the defilements are utterly excised and merit and wisdom are brought to perfection, it is called the achievement of Buddhahood since of old. Realization and Buddhahood are one and the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > > What drives someone to decline to name calling ? > > The devil. > > > Is it that they need to feel superior? > > Lots of endless questions about them, and the > bad things they do -- have fun with these > self-affirming questions. > > > Is it that they loath and fear that which they cannot get over on? > > Enquiring minds want to know. > > > Is it that someone or something is threatening their position? > > Ah, the endless speculations that drive the agitated mind > in search of a spiritual feeling. > > > Is it that balance and wisdom has gone out the door in favor of > > reactionary striking out ? > > Translation: I feel insulted. > > > Does that type of onslaught really secure self worth or bring a > > validation of the message they are attempting to impart ? > > Translation: It wouldn't be spiritual to criticize them, > so I'll ask questions that imply my superiority. > > > Is Love degraded in favor of personal control and power ? > > Translation: my version of Love I developed to suit me, and so it > seems degraded when it appears in forms I don't like. > > > What seeks to control or damage is that which has no security or > > balance. Would not true wisdom be beyond such childish > > means ? It makes one wonder at why anyone would gravitate to > > listening or accepting as wise someone that must resort to such > > venues. > > Translation: I like seeing myself as wise, and others as > beneath me. > > > Om mani padme hum . > > The Jewel is in the HEART of the LOTUS. > > And, I know a lot of cool spiritual quotes I can throw in, > in case you didn't get how spiritual I really am. > > > Love is within the Pure Realm and against Love there is no law. > > Translation: Yeah, I'm cool. > > > hatred never breeds love > > Love breeds hatred - only within hearts that have no light, no > > love, no wisdom, no humanity, no compassion, or dharma . > > Yes, I'm way spiritual and full of love. It's those bad > other people that mess it up for us spiritual folks. > > > Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there > IS. > > I'm really giving, you see. Giving of the spiritual wisdom > that validates my self as being beyond ego, and others > as being full of ego. > > Hey, have you met Ganga yet? > > Laughing, > Dan Tanya: Say Dan, where can I find this Ganga? Translation: I'm feeling a bit crap at the moment and need someone new to look down on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus> wrote: > Love is what should remain. A teacher may indeed point to > something which may feel painful to look at . But it isn't done > with taunts and name calling it is done with love and > compassion. Compassion may be tough but it is not cruel and > demeaning. Name calling is never done with compassion it is > done to hurt, to establish like animals a heirarchy of control and > domination , or out of personal pain which seeks to inflict the > same pain within others. Where does love come into the > picture in this? > > Love is honest - it may feel brutal but it is Not cruel, not > demeaning, not spiteful, does not resort to name calling . That > is not love . That is abuse. IMHO this is rubbish, rubbish and more rubbish. Things only hurt when I try to defend 'myself' from them. When I am earnest and have the courage to look at myself for what it is nobody can 'hurt me', the whole concept has no meaning. You, sweet thing, are the one trying to establish control and domination with your holier than thou lecture on love. Tanya x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > > I'm really giving, you see. Giving of the spiritual wisdom > > that validates my self as being beyond ego, and others > > as being full of ego. > > > > Hey, have you met Ganga yet? > > > > Laughing, > > Dan > > > Would probably quite enjoy it. From the answers you have given > here, and with your low opinion of her then indeed she might be > a person worth checking out. > ***** She's a pathetic little suffering frump of a woman that couldn't find her own ass in the dark if you gave her a flashlight! :- ) and the rest of your bullshit here I snipped. :-) Are we having fun yet? :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > > > > I'm really giving, you see. Giving of the spiritual wisdom > > > that validates my self as being beyond ego, and others > > > as being full of ego. > > > > > > Hey, have you met Ganga yet? > > > > > > Laughing, > > > Dan > > > > > > Would probably quite enjoy it. From the answers you have given > > here, and with your low opinion of her then indeed she might be > > a person worth checking out. > > > ***** She's a pathetic little suffering frump of a woman that > couldn't find her own ass in the dark if you gave her a flashlight! :- > ) ******* And can't say as I blame her, I wouldn't want to look at myself if I was her either. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm really giving, you see. Giving of the spiritual wisdom > > > > that validates my self as being beyond ego, and others > > > > as being full of ego. > > > > > > > > Hey, have you met Ganga yet? > > > > > > > > Laughing, > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > Would probably quite enjoy it. From the answers you have given > > > here, and with your low opinion of her then indeed she might be > > > a person worth checking out. > > > > > ***** She's a pathetic little suffering frump of a woman that > > couldn't find her own ass in the dark if you gave her a > flashlight! :- > > ) > > ******* And can't say as I blame her, I wouldn't want to look at > myself if I was her either. > ***** Her idol is Mother Theresa. :-) That should give you a clue as to how sick the woman is. LOL Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus> wrote: > Realization , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> wrote: > > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > > > > What drives someone to decline to name calling ? > > > > The devil. > > > > > Is it that they need to feel superior? > > > > Lots of endless questions about them, and the > > bad things they do -- have fun with these > > self-affirming questions. > > > > > Is it that they loath and fear that which they cannot get over > on? > > > > Enquiring minds want to know. > > > > > Is it that someone or something is threatening their position? > > > > Ah, the endless speculations that drive the agitated mind > > in search of a spiritual feeling. > > > > > Is it that balance and wisdom has gone out the door in favor > of > > > reactionary striking out ? > > > > Translation: I feel insulted. > > > > > Does that type of onslaught really secure self worth or bring > a > > > validation of the message they are attempting to impart ? > > > > Translation: It wouldn't be spiritual to criticize them, > > so I'll ask questions that imply my superiority. > > > > > Is Love degraded in favor of personal control and power ? > > > > Translation: my version of Love I developed to suit me, and so > it > > seems degraded when it appears in forms I don't like. > > > > > What seeks to control or damage is that which has no > security or > > > balance. Would not true wisdom be beyond such childish > > > means ? It makes one wonder at why anyone would > gravitate to > > > listening or accepting as wise someone that must resort to > such > > > venues. > > > > Translation: I like seeing myself as wise, and others as > > beneath me. > > > > > Om mani padme hum . > > > The Jewel is in the HEART of the LOTUS. > > > > And, I know a lot of cool spiritual quotes I can throw in, > > in case you didn't get how spiritual I really am. > > > > > Love is within the Pure Realm and against Love there is no > law. > > > > Translation: Yeah, I'm cool. > > > > > hatred never breeds love > > > Love breeds hatred - only within hearts that have no light, no > > > love, no wisdom, no humanity, no compassion, or dharma . > > > > Yes, I'm way spiritual and full of love. It's those bad > > other people that mess it up for us spiritual folks. > > > > > Ego seeks control, Love gives of its Self, and Self is All there > > IS. > > > > I'm really giving, you see. Giving of the spiritual wisdom > > that validates my self as being beyond ego, and others > > as being full of ego. > > > > Hey, have you met Ganga yet? > > > > Laughing, > > Dan > > > Would probably quite enjoy it. From the answers you have given > here, and with your low opinion of her then indeed she might be > a person worth checking out. > > The devil is simply the ego personified, so your statement the > devil made me do it would be a quite accurate and telling > statement. For every attempt to turn everything around into all is > wrong except yourself - this statement in fact clears up a lot for > me. Thank you for the honesty about where you are truly coming > from . The ego made him do it . He has no control at all simply > a puppet on a string that dances to the tune of ego. A very fine > tap dance indeed if you are into that sort of thing. > > Try giving youself a punch in the nose instead of Harvey . How > about that for reality? No I guess not. It appears that you are only > into putting down others and not into looking into your own self > motivations which equates out to you talk a good talk but that is > about it. The sarcasms and endless turning everything from > white to black is getting old at best. Instead of projecting that big > Ego of yours why not try to surrender to Love? It is the death to > control and manipulation and look at how brilliant I am. It would > be the end of turning white into black . > > I really have nothing against you but pity your endless face of > suffering which is apparent in your ever caustic remarks and > validations of put downs versus the path of Love and surrender. > > Self realization is the end of torment and tormentor. It brings the > Peace and Harmony of Self which lives as a seed in the > innermost temple of the Heart. So no matter what seemingly > brilliant put down you are going to attempt . I wish you well. I > wish you Love. I wish you Peace . I wish you the Beauty of the > Day . I wish you the Eternal Oneness of Being that sees > Harmony rather than inharmonious. > > Avatamsaka's One-Vehicle Dharmadhatu: > > As I sit upright on the seat of the middle way at the reality limit, > What has been unmoving since of old is called Buddha. > > Question: Sentient beings who are completely bound have yet to > excise the defilements or to achieve merit and wisdom. For what > reason is it said that Buddhahood has already been achieved > since of old? > > Answer: If defilements are not yet excised, it cannot be said that > Buddhahood has been achieved; but once the defilements are > utterly excised and merit and wisdom are brought to perfection, it > is called the achievement of Buddhahood since of old. > > Realization and Buddhahood are one and the same. Watching you work is very educational. An education in how the Wizard of Oz remains alive and well -- always saying look over there, look over there -- just don't look at what I'm really up to. Of course, spiritual pride would never be able to work if it involved one looking into what he is actually doing. It's always got to be the ego of the other one that is pointed out -- all those terrible big egos that everyone else has. As if pointing those kinds of things out isn't the height of egotism. As if ... Thanks for the chuckle, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Realization , " Tanya Davis " <tanyarowan@h...> wrote: > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > Love is what should remain. A teacher may indeed point to > > something which may feel painful to look at . But it isn't done > > with taunts and name calling it is done with love and > > compassion. Compassion may be tough but it is not cruel and > > demeaning. Name calling is never done with compassion it is > > done to hurt, to establish like animals a heirarchy of control and > > domination , or out of personal pain which seeks to inflict the > > same pain within others. Where does love come into the > > picture in this? > > > > Love is honest - it may feel brutal but it is Not cruel, not > > demeaning, not spiteful, does not resort to name calling . That > > is not love . That is abuse. > > IMHO this is rubbish, rubbish and more rubbish. > Things only hurt when I try to defend 'myself' from them. > When I am earnest and have the courage to look at myself for what it > is nobody can 'hurt me', the whole concept has no meaning. > You, sweet thing, are the one trying to establish control and > domination with your holier than thou lecture on love. > > Tanya x. I know what you mean. I have the feeling I should stand in the corner until I'm contrite and ready to listen to more of this stuff and call it loving. " It's for your own good. Now listen while I tell you how you should be. " -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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