truth's ghost / the artist naming himself after a prince

[Guest guest]

> What brave individuals to *use* bob's list to promote their

> agendas and then to speak down about him behind his back.

 

Nonsense. I've said this to Bob's face on his list

and in an off-list conversation he sought out with me.

I told him exactly how I see the situation, and what is

involved in taking a clear look into oneself.

 

He made it clear that he views these kinds of discussions

as " distractions " on his list, so I respect that, and

no longer bring this up there.

 

> Now isn't that just so ethical. Why don't you say it in the open

to

> his face? Perhaps then he would get this wake up call .

 

I have. I respect his decision not to have more of it on

his list.

 

> Or why don't you say it to Ganga in the open ?

 

I have.

 

> I see you both are

> quite brave behind her back.

 

How silly.

 

> That shows fools and cowards -

 

This from the guy who was ranting about how sad

it is to call people names. Too funny watching

you expose the truth of what you're really

up to!

 

> like the classic bully routine of being brave with your gang .

 

More humor.

 

> My question is this ? What exactly is the Motivation behind Dan's

> need to attempt to invalidate everyone?

 

So, the guy who says there are no selves is now concerned

with a self that his self doesn't like

because he thinks it is invalidating other selves?

 

Give me a break.

 

-- Dan

 

Anyone that says

> something he has to find some way to negate it. If he can't

> respond in any type of reasonable way then he totally ignores

> what is said and puts : translation with some nonsense garbage

> that has absolutely Nothing to do with what was being said.

>

> What is Judi's *Motovation* in going after certain people ? Karta

> for one has been the object of her maliciousness for sometime.

> Karta has said repeatedly " leave me alone " , does Judi leave her

> be? No by a long shot. Karta isn't one of her students so just

> what is Judi's motive other than just plain nasty intentions.

Nasty

> intentions show a very very in place 'me'. It looks to be when

> Judy's 'me' or her position is threatened then she goes into full

> attack mode. Ok I am really simply curious as to What in the

> world is motivating these people.

>

> It appears that some finally respond in their knock-down drag out

> bull simply to give them a taste of their own medicine. I have

> seen her latch onto someone and then simply put the knife to

> them in every chance she gets. Like a dog with a bone once she

> doesn't let go and lord help anyone that would attempt to

> intervene. So once again what is Behind it ? Enquiring minds

> want to know.

> Really honesty would be very refreshing at this point. I sincerely

> doubt that it is all in fun as she claims or if you can't laugh at

> yourself then you have a personal problem as she recently said

> here as well. I see nothing that she is doing as " poking fun " it

> looks more like a personal vendetta. That is the epitome of

> having a 'me " .

>

> There is a difference in dialog and debate versus mud slinging

> and attempts to use inuendo and personal slurs and street gang

> tactics. And make no mistake this is how it appears that they

> have a nice little street gang mentality going on. I sincerely

hope

> that this evaluation is wrong and that they do have some type of

> sincere motivation somewhere. Whatever it 'is " please share it

> with us. I am sure that I am not the only that wonders just what

> is making you both tick .

[Guest guest]

Realization , " dan330033 "

<dan330033> wrote:

> > What brave individuals to *use* bob's list to promote their

> > agendas and then to speak down about him behind his

back.

>

> Nonsense. I've said this to Bob's face on his list

> and in an off-list conversation he sought out with me.

> I told him exactly how I see the situation, and what is

> involved in taking a clear look into oneself.

>

> He made it clear that he views these kinds of discussions

> as " distractions " on his list, so I respect that, and

> no longer bring this up there.

>

> > Now isn't that just so ethical. Why don't you say it in the open

> to

> > his face? Perhaps then he would get this wake up call .

>

> I have. I respect his decision not to have more of it on

> his list.

>

> > Or why don't you say it to Ganga in the open ?

>

> I have.

>

> > I see you both are

> > quite brave behind her back.

>

> How silly.

>

> > That shows fools and cowards -

>

> This from the guy who was ranting about how sad

> it is to call people names. Too funny watching

> you expose the truth of what you're really

> up to!

>

> > like the classic bully routine of being brave with your gang .

>

> More humor.

>

> > My question is this ? What exactly is the Motivation behind

Dan's

> > need to attempt to invalidate everyone?

>

> So, the guy who says there are no selves is now concerned

> with a self that his self doesn't like

> because he thinks it is invalidating other selves?

>

> Give me a break.

 

 

No I don't think you deserve a break at this point.

 

 

>

> -- Dan

 

 

Once again the questions have been glossed over. Another

attempt at invalidation what a not surprise. Your self affirming

rhetoric is also getting old Dan. Amazing how you try to

DEFLECT everything which questions you or your motivations.

Conveniently the rest of the post is simply dismissed so what is

it that you are afraid of or hiding ?

 

You seem to think it wise to go after other question their

motivations yet when the shoe is on the other foot what

happens? Our award winning player is suddenly mute.

You always have such brilliant come backs, so what happened?

 

Why don't you simply respond intelligently to the Whole of the

post rather than putting down and attempting to deflect with

another negation and dismissal ?

 

It seems you and Judy like to put things in others faces and

when they don't respond they are running under a rock. But

when someone questions you then amazingly nothing gets

responded to and you attempt to sweep it under the carpet.

Looks like you are looking for a hole to slither back into hoping it

will all go away.

 

OK. Works on this end. But next time don't be so quick to put

down others at least they have the moxie to answer what is

asked .

 

May it be apprised that any reading this mail and post should

look to what he tends to simply discard with another limp

deflection. Why are you on the lists ? What is your motivating

factor . Are you here to help others ( if so then you no matter

what you say are acting as a teacher) Or is it just to hear

yourself expound and speak unending rounds of rhetoric ?

Or is it that you simply have nothing else better to do ? Or is it a

way to simply show how intelligent you are and what you think

you know ?

 

Since there are no ways or means just why are you here ? Once

again Enquiring minds would like to know. It is really amazing

when you see that there is this need to invalidate anyone that

has the label Guru, Teacher, Sage, etc. Anyone that has spoken

of a ways and means must be put down and erradicated it

appears or simply attempted to be negated and run in a circle.

 

What is it that you think you are accomplishing with these actions

? Again I ask the questions which I am sure have crossed a

number of peoples minds.

 

Once again for the most part everything has been side stepped

in favor of simply another attempt at deflection. I am sure that

you understand this concept and I have seen you use it to

numerous times to mention.

 

So in plain and simple english what is it that is your motivation to

be on the lists. And what is Judy's motivation ? At least it

appears that others have been more straight forward and to you

it means they are open game for ridicule.

 

Dan and Judy it may be time for you to Wake up and smell the

dialog. There are ways and means which are many. You are

not the only realized (if in fact you are) beings on the planet.

You may be or may not be and the fact that you only see one way

and negate everything and everyone else really is a strong

indicator that you are not where you are alluding to being.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> Anyone that says

> > something he has to find some way to negate it. If he can't

> > respond in any type of reasonable way then he totally ignores

> > what is said and puts : translation with some nonsense

garbage

> > that has absolutely Nothing to do with what was being said.

> >

> > What is Judi's *Motovation* in going after certain people ?

Karta

> > for one has been the object of her maliciousness for

sometime.

> > Karta has said repeatedly " leave me alone " , does Judi leave

her

> > be? No by a long shot. Karta isn't one of her students so

just

> > what is Judi's motive other than just plain nasty intentions.

> Nasty

> > intentions show a very very in place 'me'. It looks to be when

> > Judy's 'me' or her position is threatened then she goes into

full

> > attack mode. Ok I am really simply curious as to What in the

> > world is motivating these people.

> >

> > It appears that some finally respond in their knock-down drag

out

> > bull simply to give them a taste of their own medicine. I

have

> > seen her latch onto someone and then simply put the knife to

> > them in every chance she gets. Like a dog with a bone once

she

> > doesn't let go and lord help anyone that would attempt to

> > intervene. So once again what is Behind it ? Enquiring

minds

> > want to know.

> > Really honesty would be very refreshing at this point. I

sincerely

> > doubt that it is all in fun as she claims or if you can't laugh at

> > yourself then you have a personal problem as she recently

said

> > here as well. I see nothing that she is doing as " poking fun "

it

> > looks more like a personal vendetta. That is the epitome of

> > having a 'me " .

> >

> > There is a difference in dialog and debate versus mud

slinging

> > and attempts to use inuendo and personal slurs and street

gang

> > tactics. And make no mistake this is how it appears that they

> > have a nice little street gang mentality going on. I sincerely

> hope

> > that this evaluation is wrong and that they do have some type

of

> > sincere motivation somewhere. Whatever it 'is " please share

it

> > with us. I am sure that I am not the only that wonders just

what

> > is making you both tick .

[Guest guest]

Dan and Judy it may be time for you to Wake up and smell the dialog. There are ways and means which are many. You are not the only realized (if in fact you are) beings on the planet. You may be or may not be and the fact that you only see one way and negate everything and everyone else really is a strong indicator that you are not where you are alluding to being.

 

******** Read my lips: There is no *way*. "Ways" are for folks that want to go somewhere. :-)

 

Judi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

 

Dan and Judy it may be time for you to Wake up and smell the dialog. There are ways and means which are many. You are not the only realized (if in fact you are) beings on the planet. You may be or may not be and the fact that you only see one way and negate everything and everyone else really is a strong indicator that you are not where you are alluding to being.

 

******** Read my lips: There is no *way*. "Ways" are for folks that want to go somewhere. :-)

 

Judi

 

********

You want your purveyors of Truth

To look and act special.

 

You want them different

And separate

And powerful.

 

You prefer to imagine them

Cloaked in light

Than sitting on the toilet.

 

You like them passionless, sexless,

Mellow, gentle and kind.

 

You like the idea of miracles

And will invent them when necessary.

 

Your strategy is to keep them

Out *there*

Far away from you

Exotic and mysterious.

 

You revel in the myth

Of the Enlightened individual

Hoping someday to be so empowered.

 

What you can't tolerate

Is for them to appear

As ordinary as you.

 

Ram Tzu knows this...

 

You always miss the Truth

Because it is too plain to see.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Realization , " Judi Rhodes "

<judirhodes@z...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dan and Judy it may be time for you to Wake up and smell the

> dialog. There are ways and means which are many. You are

> not the only realized (if in fact you are) beings on the planet.

> You may be or may not be and the fact that you only see one

way

> and negate everything and everyone else really is a strong

> indicator that you are not where you are alluding to being.

>

> ******** Read my lips: There is no *way*. " Ways " are for folks

that want to go somewhere. :-)

>

> Judi

 

 

Once again the fact that you state you confronted yourself shows

that indeed in one sense there was somewhere to go. Even

though that somewhere is where you have always been. It

leaves within it's wake a whole new reality which is the old planet

with a whole new wisdom, understanding or knowing. What

remains and what is lost ?

 

Only the one that makes the journey from here to nowhere other

than here can tell for sure. And yes we can say that no solidified

entity remains or has ever been but why confuse the issue.

[Guest guest]

> > ******** Read my lips: There is no *way*. "Ways" are for folks that want to go somewhere. :-) > > JudiOnce again the fact that you state you confronted yourself shows that indeed in one sense there was somewhere to go.

 

******** No, "confronting" yourself, "inquiry" is not about "going anywhere".

It's the opposite of it. It's the bringing of that nonsense, the "search", to an end.

And moreso, to the point, you don't "get" anything for your troubles. The difference is, you see, Ganga "got" something "out of it", which is her "Self promotion", her "non-suffering", which is just more of her continuing of the game. She obviously yet "needs" something for her troubles. Her "need" is to be "nothing", to be one with the Absolute. And from my point of view, it's totally absurd. It's like she's still chewing on the cover, when some of us are onto page 44. She's still playing "dress-up" in other words.

 

And if you can't follow that, I don't know what else to tell you?

 

Judi

 

[Guest guest]

Realization , " manjusrilotus "

<manjusrilotus> wrote:

> Realization , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033> wrote:

> > > What brave individuals to *use* bob's list to promote their

> > > agendas and then to speak down about him behind his

> back.

> >

> > Nonsense. I've said this to Bob's face on his list

> > and in an off-list conversation he sought out with me.

> > I told him exactly how I see the situation, and what is

> > involved in taking a clear look into oneself.

> >

> > He made it clear that he views these kinds of discussions

> > as " distractions " on his list, so I respect that, and

> > no longer bring this up there.

> >

> > > Now isn't that just so ethical. Why don't you say it in the

open

> > to

> > > his face? Perhaps then he would get this wake up call .

> >

> > I have. I respect his decision not to have more of it on

> > his list.

> >

> > > Or why don't you say it to Ganga in the open ?

> >

> > I have.

> >

> > > I see you both are

> > > quite brave behind her back.

> >

> > How silly.

> >

> > > That shows fools and cowards -

> >

> > This from the guy who was ranting about how sad

> > it is to call people names. Too funny watching

> > you expose the truth of what you're really

> > up to!

> >

> > > like the classic bully routine of being brave with your gang .

> >

> > More humor.

> >

> > > My question is this ? What exactly is the Motivation behind

> Dan's

> > > need to attempt to invalidate everyone?

> >

> > So, the guy who says there are no selves is now concerned

> > with a self that his self doesn't like

> > because he thinks it is invalidating other selves?

> >

> > Give me a break.

>

>

> No I don't think you deserve a break at this point.

>

>

> >

> > -- Dan

>

>

> Once again the questions have been glossed over. Another

> attempt at invalidation what a not surprise. Your self affirming

> rhetoric is also getting old Dan. Amazing how you try to

> DEFLECT everything which questions you or your motivations.

> Conveniently the rest of the post is simply dismissed so what is

> it that you are afraid of or hiding ?

>

> You seem to think it wise to go after other question their

> motivations yet when the shoe is on the other foot what

> happens? Our award winning player is suddenly mute.

> You always have such brilliant come backs, so what happened?

>

> Why don't you simply respond intelligently to the Whole of the

> post rather than putting down and attempting to deflect with

> another negation and dismissal ?

>

> It seems you and Judy like to put things in others faces and

> when they don't respond they are running under a rock. But

> when someone questions you then amazingly nothing gets

> responded to and you attempt to sweep it under the carpet.

> Looks like you are looking for a hole to slither back into hoping

it

> will all go away.

>

> OK. Works on this end. But next time don't be so quick to put

> down others at least they have the moxie to answer what is

> asked .

>

> May it be apprised that any reading this mail and post should

> look to what he tends to simply discard with another limp

> deflection. Why are you on the lists ? What is your motivating

> factor . Are you here to help others ( if so then you no matter

> what you say are acting as a teacher) Or is it just to hear

> yourself expound and speak unending rounds of rhetoric ?

> Or is it that you simply have nothing else better to do ? Or is it

a

> way to simply show how intelligent you are and what you think

> you know ?

>

> Since there are no ways or means just why are you here ? Once

> again Enquiring minds would like to know. It is really amazing

> when you see that there is this need to invalidate anyone that

> has the label Guru, Teacher, Sage, etc. Anyone that has spoken

> of a ways and means must be put down and erradicated it

> appears or simply attempted to be negated and run in a circle.

>

> What is it that you think you are accomplishing with these actions

> ? Again I ask the questions which I am sure have crossed a

> number of peoples minds.

>

> Once again for the most part everything has been side stepped

> in favor of simply another attempt at deflection. I am sure that

> you understand this concept and I have seen you use it to

> numerous times to mention.

>

> So in plain and simple english what is it that is your motivation

to

> be on the lists. And what is Judy's motivation ? At least it

> appears that others have been more straight forward and to you

> it means they are open game for ridicule.

>

> Dan and Judy it may be time for you to Wake up and smell the

> dialog. There are ways and means which are many. You are

> not the only realized (if in fact you are) beings on the planet.

> You may be or may not be and the fact that you only see one way

> and negate everything and everyone else really is a strong

> indicator that you are not where you are alluding to being.

 

 

Rant, rant, rant.

 

So much talk to self-validate.

 

Taking the name of a prince in vain.

 

Shame on you!

 

Go for a walk.

 

Be still.

 

-- Dan