Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Give it up! Forget it! You're never going To be Enlightened. Don't bother trying. All effort is useless. You don't stand a chance. Why struggle? You work hard at it And you only end up Fodder for the priests And other hucksters. Don't let them con you. No one in the whole History of man Has ever made it. Ram Tzu knows this... You are not going to be The first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Does Ram Tzu earn his living with this stuff? There is always someone to tell us we are not doing it right. Why don't they just Let Us Be? LV, Ramana Give it up! Forget it! You're never going To be Enlightened. Don't bother trying. All effort is useless. You don't stand a chance. Why struggle? You work hard at it And you only end up Fodder for the priests And other hucksters. Don't let them con you. No one in the whole History of man Has ever made it. Ram Tzu knows this... You are not going to be The first. ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 - RAMANA MAHARSHI Realization Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:40 PM Re: Call off the Search! Does Ram Tzu earn his living with this stuff? There is always someone to tell us we are not doing it right. Why don't they just Let Us Be? LV, Ramana *********** Some people take what he says as a great relief while others take it as an afront. No right or wrong, it's just where you're at. Judi Give it up! Forget it! You're never going To be Enlightened. Don't bother trying. All effort is useless. You don't stand a chance. Why struggle? You work hard at it And you only end up Fodder for the priests And other hucksters. Don't let them con you. No one in the whole History of man Has ever made it. Ram Tzu knows this... You are not going to be The first. ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Ram Tzu does what he does and can do nothing else. The same goes for Judi, Alton and everyone. So why discriminate unless that is what you do and then you can do nothing else. Love, Ramana Maharshi *********** Some people take what he says as a great relief while others take it as an afront. No right or wrong, it's just where you're at. Judi Give it up! Forget it! You're never going To be Enlightened. Don't bother trying. All effort is useless. You don't stand a chance. Why struggle? You work hard at it And you only end up Fodder for the priests And other hucksters. Don't let them con you. No one in the whole History of man Has ever made it. Ram Tzu knows this... You are not going to be The first. ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 - RAMANA MAHARSHI Realization Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:41 PM Re: Call off the Search! Ram Tzu does what he does and can do nothing else. The same goes for Judi, Alton and everyone. So why discriminate unless that is what you do and then you can do nothing else. *********** You see it as "discrimination" because that is your mindset. Love, Ramana Maharshi *********** Some people take what he says as a great relief while others take it as an afront. No right or wrong, it's just where you're at. Judi Give it up! Forget it! You're never going To be Enlightened. Don't bother trying. All effort is useless. You don't stand a chance. Why struggle? You work hard at it And you only end up Fodder for the priests And other hucksters. Don't let them con you. No one in the whole History of man Has ever made it. Ram Tzu knows this... You are not going to be The first. ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 <Don't let them con you. No one in the whole History of man Has ever made it.> Because, the reason this one didn't make any more than the rest is because he had to tell people they couldn't make it. Realization , " RAMANA MAHARSHI " <unbound@h...> wrote: > Does Ram Tzu earn his living with this stuff? > There is always someone to tell us we are not doing it right. > Why don't they just Let Us Be? > > LV, > Ramana > > > Give it up! > Forget it! > You're never going > To be Enlightened. > > Don't bother trying. > All effort is useless. > You don't stand a chance. > Why struggle? > > You work hard at it > And you only end up > Fodder for the priests > And other hucksters. > > Don't let them con you. > No one in the whole > History of man > Has ever made it. > > Ram Tzu knows this... > > You are not going to be > > The first. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 - Onniko Realization Saturday, April 19, 2003 10:18 PM Re: Call off the Search! <Don't let them con you.No one in the wholeHistory of manHas ever made it.>Because, the reason this one didn't make any more than the rest is because he had to tell people they couldn't make it.****** Like I said, some people understand, "grok", and find relief in what he says, while others rail against it. In other words, "seeking" and "understanding" are two completely different things. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Ram Tzu does what he does and can do nothing else. The same goes for Judi, Alton and everyone. So why discriminate unless that is what you do and then you can do nothing else. ***********AND You see it as "discrimination" because that is your mindset. Love, Ramana Maharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Q: If reality is bliss, then pleasure in some way must be related to it. Ramana: Let us not proceed by verbal logic. The bliss of reality does not exclude suffering. Besides, you know only pleasure, not the bliss of pure being. So let us examine pleasure an its own level. If you look at your self in your moments of pleasure or pain, you will invariably find that it is not the thing in itself that is pleasant or painful, but the situation of which it is a part. Pleasure lies in the relationship between the enjoyer and the enjoyed. And the essence of it is acceptance. Whatever may be the situation, if it is acceptable, it is pleasant. If it is not acceptable, it is painful. What makes it acceptable is not important; the cause may be physical, or psychological. or untraceable; acceptance is the decisive factor. Obviously suffering is due to non-acceptance. Q: Pain is not acceptable. M: Why not? Did you ever try? Do try and you will find in pain a joy which pleasure cannot yield, for the simple reason that acceptance of pain take you much deeper than pleasure does. The personal self by its very nature is constantly pursuing pleasure and avoiding pain. The ending of this pattern is the ending of the self. The ending of the self with its desires and fears enables you to return to your real nature, the source of all happiness and peace. The perennial desire for pleasure is the reflection of the timeless harmony within. It is an observable fact that one becomes self-conscious only when caught in the conflict between pleasure and pain, which demand choice and decision. It is this clash between desire and fear that causes anger, which is the great destroyer of sanity in life. When pain is accepted for what it is a lesson and a warning, and deeply looked into and heeded, the separation between pain and pleasure breaks down, both become experience – painful when resisted, joyful when accepted. Q: Do you advise shunning pleasure and pursuing pain? M: No, nor pursuing pleasure and shunning pain. Accept both as they come, enjoy both while they last, let the go, as they must. Q: How can I possible enjoy pain? Physical pain calls for action. M: Of course. And so does mental. The bliss is in the awareness of it, in not shrinking, or in any way turning away from it. All happiness comes from awareness. The more we are conscious, the deeper the joy. Acceptance of pain, non-resistance, courage and endurance--these open deep and perennial sources of real happiness, true bliss. Q: Why should pain be more effective than pleasure? M: Pleasure is readily accepted, while all the powers of the self reject pain. As the acceptance of pain is the denial of the self, and the self stands in the way of true happiness, the whole-hearted acceptance of pain release the springs of happiness. Q: Does the acceptance of suffering act the same way? M: The fact of pain is easily brought within the focus of awareness. With suffering it is not that simple. To focus on suffering is not enough, for mental life, as we know it, is one continuous stream of suffering. To reach the deeper layers of suffering you must go to its roots and uncover their vast underground network, where fear and desire are closely interwoven and the currents of life's energy oppose, obstruct and destroy each other. Q: How can I set right a tangle which is entirely below the level of consciousness? M: By being with yourself, the " I Am " ; by watching yourself in your daily life with alert interest, with the intention to understand rather than to judge, in full acceptance of whatever may emerge. Because it is there, you encourage the deep to come to the surface and enrich your life and consciousness with its captive energies. That is the great work of awareness; it removes obstacles and releases energies by understanding the nature of life and mind. Intelligence is the door to freedom and alert attention is the mother of intelligence. Q: Why does pleasure end in pain? M: Everything has a beginning and an end and so does pleasure. Don't anticipate and don't regret, and there will be no pain. It is memory and imagination that cause suffering. " RAMANA MAHARSHI " <unbound@h...: > > > > Ram Tzu does what he does and can do nothing else. The same goes for Judi, Alton and everyone. So why discriminate unless that is what you do and then you can do nothing else. > ***********AND You see it as " discrimination " because that is your min= dset. > > > Love, > Ramana Maharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Dear Karta: We watched a crap video, "One hour photo, with Robin Williams. One good quote in the movie was Deepak's. "Your worst fear has already happened". Our lives are memory related and for the bliss the memory has to be declutched. When all events are acceptable we are in BLISS. Love, Ramana aka Alton Q: If reality is bliss, then pleasurein some way must be related to it. Ramana: Let us not proceed by verballogic. The bliss of reality does not exclude suffering. Besides, you know only pleasure, not the bliss of purebeing. So let us examine pleasure anits own level. If you look at your self in your moments of pleasure or pain, you will invariably find that it is not the thing in itself that is pleasant or painful, but the situation of which it is a part. Pleasure lies in the relationship between the enjoyer andthe enjoyed. And the essence of it is acceptance. Whatever may be the situation, if it is acceptable, it is pleasant. If it is not acceptable,it is painful.What makes it acceptable is not important; the cause may be physical,or psychological. or untraceable; acceptance is the decisive factor. Obviously suffering is due to non-acceptance. Q: Pain is not acceptable. M: Why not? Did you ever try? Do tryand you will find in pain a joy whichpleasure cannot yield, for the simple reason that acceptance of pain take you much deeper than pleasure does. The personal self byits very nature is constantly pursuingpleasure and avoiding pain. The ending of this pattern is the endingof the self. The ending of the self with its desires and fears enables you to return to your real nature, the source of all happiness and peace.The perennial desire for pleasure isthe reflection of the timeless harmony within. It is an observable fact that one becomes self-conscious only when caught in the conflict between pleasure and pain, which demand choice and decision. It is this clash between desire and fearthat causes anger, which is the great destroyer of sanity in life.When pain is accepted for what it isa lesson and a warning, and deeply looked into and heeded, the separation between pain and pleasurebreaks down, both become experience– painful when resisted, joyful when accepted. Q: Do you advise shunning pleasure and pursuing pain? M: No, nor pursuing pleasure and shunning pain. Accept both as theycome, enjoy both while they last, letthe go, as they must. Q: How can I possible enjoy pain? Physical pain calls for action. M: Of course. And so does mental. The bliss is in the awareness of it,in not shrinking, or in any way turning away from it. All happinesscomes from awareness. The more we are conscious, the deeper the joy. Acceptance of pain, non-resistance,courage and endurance--these open deep and perennial sources of real happiness, true bliss. Q: Why should pain be more effectivethan pleasure? M: Pleasure is readily accepted, whileall the powers of the self reject pain. As the acceptance of pain is the denial of the self, and the selfstands in the way of true happiness,the whole-hearted acceptance of pain release the springs of happiness. Q: Does the acceptance of suffering act the same way? M: The fact of pain is easily broughtwithin the focus of awareness. Withsuffering it is not that simple. To focus on suffering is not enough,for mental life, as we know it, isone continuous stream of suffering.To reach the deeper layers of suffering you must go to its roots and uncover their vast underground network, where fear and desire are closely interwoven and the currents of life's energy oppose, obstruct and destroy each other. Q: How can I set right a tangle whichis entirely below the level of consciousness? M: By being with yourself, the "I Am";by watching yourself in your dailylife with alert interest, with theintention to understand rather thanto judge, in full acceptance of whatever may emerge. Because it is there, you encourage the deep to cometo the surface and enrich your lifeand consciousness with its captive energies. That is the great work of awareness; it removes obstacles and releases energies by understanding the nature of life and mind.Intelligence is the door to freedomand alert attention is the mother of intelligence. Q: Why does pleasure end in pain? M: Everything has a beginning and anend and so does pleasure. Don't anticipate and don't regret, and there will be no pain. It is memoryand imagination that cause suffering."RAMANA MAHARSHI" <unbound@h...:> > > > Ram Tzu does what he does and cando nothing else. The same goes forJudi, Alton and everyone. So why discriminate unless that is what youdo and then you can do nothing else. > ***********AND You see it as "discrimination" because that is your min= dset. > > > Love,> Ramana Maharshi..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 " RAMANA MAHARSHI " <unbound@h...> wrote: > Dear Karta: > We watched a crap video, " One hour photo, with Robin Williams. > One good quote in the movie was Deepak's. " Your worst fear has already happened " . Our lives are memory related and for the bliss the memory has to be declutched. I know Alton, I called it superflight after the Curtis Mayfield's song: Back to the Earth -when the last toy the " spiritual awakening " the holier than you trip itself HAS to go and you are left with YOURSELF > When all events are acceptable we are in BLISS. > > Love, > Ramana aka Alton > > > Q: If reality is bliss, then pleasure > in some way must be related to it. > > Ramana: Let us not proceed by verbal > logic. The bliss of reality does not > exclude suffering. Besides, you know > only pleasure, not the bliss of pure > being. So let us examine pleasure an > its own level. > > If you look at your self in your > moments of pleasure or pain, you will > invariably find that it is not the > thing in itself that is pleasant or > painful, but the situation of which > it is a part. Pleasure lies in the relationship > between the enjoyer and > the enjoyed. And the essence of it > is acceptance. Whatever may be the > situation, if it is acceptable, it > is pleasant. If it is not acceptable, > it is painful. > > What makes it acceptable is not > important; the cause may be physical, > or psychological. or untraceable; > acceptance is the decisive factor. > Obviously suffering is due to > non-acceptance. > > Q: Pain is not acceptable. > > M: Why not? Did you ever try? Do try > and you will find in pain a joy which > pleasure cannot yield, for the > simple reason that acceptance of > pain take you much deeper than > pleasure does. The personal self by > its very nature is constantly pursuing > pleasure and avoiding pain. The > ending of this pattern is the ending > of the self. The ending of the self > with its desires and fears enables > you to return to your real nature, > the source of all happiness and peace. > > The perennial desire for pleasure is > the reflection of the timeless > harmony within. It is an observable > fact that one becomes self-conscious > only when caught in the conflict > between pleasure and pain, which > demand choice and decision. It is > this clash between desire and fear > that causes anger, which is the > great destroyer of sanity in life. > > When pain is accepted for what it is > a lesson and a warning, and deeply > looked into and heeded, the > separation between pain and pleasure > breaks down, both become experience > - painful when resisted, joyful > when accepted. > > Q: Do you advise shunning pleasure > and pursuing pain? > > M: No, nor pursuing pleasure and > shunning pain. Accept both as they > come, enjoy both while they last, let > the go, as they must. > > Q: How can I possible enjoy pain? > Physical pain calls for action. > > M: Of course. And so does mental. > The bliss is in the awareness of it, > in not shrinking, or in any way > turning away from it. All happiness > comes from awareness. The more we > are conscious, the deeper the joy. > > Acceptance of pain, non-resistance, > courage and endurance--these open > deep and perennial sources of real > happiness, true bliss. > > Q: Why should pain be more effective > than pleasure? > > M: Pleasure is readily accepted, while > all the powers of the self reject > pain. As the acceptance of pain is > the denial of the self, and the self > stands in the way of true happiness, > the whole-hearted acceptance of > pain release the springs of happiness. > > Q: Does the acceptance of suffering > act the same way? > > M: The fact of pain is easily brought > within the focus of awareness. With > suffering it is not that simple. > > To focus on suffering is not enough, > for mental life, as we know it, is > one continuous stream of suffering. > To reach the deeper layers of > suffering you must go to its roots > and uncover their vast underground > network, where fear and desire are > closely interwoven and the currents > of life's energy oppose, obstruct > and destroy each other. > > Q: How can I set right a tangle which > is entirely below the level of consciousness? > > M: By being with yourself, the " I Am " ; > by watching yourself in your daily > life with alert interest, with the > intention to understand rather than > to judge, in full acceptance of > whatever may emerge. Because it is > there, you encourage the deep to come > to the surface and enrich your life > and consciousness with its captive > energies. That is the great work of > awareness; it removes obstacles and > releases energies by understanding > the nature of life and mind. > > Intelligence is the door to freedom > and alert attention is the mother > of intelligence. > > Q: Why does pleasure end in pain? > > M: Everything has a beginning and an > end and so does pleasure. Don't > anticipate and don't regret, and > there will be no pain. It is memory > and imagination that cause suffering. > > > > Love, > > Ramana Maharshi > I love Ramana too <grin> by the way; *than* chaging your diet is allowed... just kiddin' Love-peace, Karta Our web address: http://www.realization.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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