Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > ********* There's a lot of subtlties you're missing here. So if > you would like to " follow " me, if you get my drift, lissen up. Ganga > is promoting methods to reach some " experience " , > > which is exactly the crap that needs be cut through. In other > words, " understanding " is not finally reached through some > experience. " Experience " , whatever it is, is totally and completely > besides the point. For instance, she promotes a silent mind. > From the point of view of understanding, whether a person has a > silent mind or not, makes not one wit, because understanding > blows the hell of out of the " mind " . If having a silent mind ever > led anywhere, I assure you, millions upon millions of meditators > throughout history would be realized. In short, there is no > " experience " or " state " that ever " leads to " understanding. No > " one " ever finally " reaches " . There is only the understanding of > that whole entire game which is " already the case " in the first > place! And as Wayne Liquorman so succinctly puts it, " you can't > here from there. " > > > > And as Jesus said, those with ears, let them hear! > > > I don't see her promoting silent mind I have seen her say she > resides within a stilled mind. > > ******** No, a stilled mind does not understanding make. She " resides " nowhere except in her fantasy. Understanding blows the hell out of the whole " residing " business itself. > She's a " fantasy " of her own making. > > > Experience is Experience even if > you say it is a non-expereince. Once again I believe in this case > that it is simply semantics. Having read things from other sites > what she speaks of is not an experience within time and space. > It is not the same as what you are labeling as experience. And > stilled mind is not the same as a temporary silence that > happens in a meditative venue. In one the mind returns and in > the other it does not. This has been written of by many Realized > on what type of consciousness remains. So don't be so quick to > once again negate and pooh pooh . > > Once again what I have seen is that she speaks not of a 'state' > that comes and goes. I can understand where you are coming > from and where she is and it is really saying the same thing in > the end. What reaches? She speaks that it is a death, you have > said it is a death ? She calls it knowing you call it > understanding. Everyone wants to point and tear apart worldly > vocabulary when that is really nonsense. It is called pointing for > the very fact that it Cannot be spoken of with any words that can > give what it IS. So what should be looked at is what remains. > Has there been a life altering and liberating remaining. > > ******* > " Life alterating " and " liberation " are for those that " need " such things. :-) > It " sells " really good though doesn't it? I rest my case! :-) > > > > I think she has spoken of the need to confront the " I " identity so > what is different in that from what you say? What I have seen is > that many paths also sit with the mind where it stills enough to > be confronted. What remains afterwards is a quite open and > unhindered consciousness. > > **** Unhindered by what? Sounds like Ganga doesn't want to be " hindered " ? :-) > > > By the way you have done another Dan and simply ignored the > rest of the questions and post. Or does it simply not suit your > agenda to answer it ? > > Sometimes what remains unanswered is just as telling as what > has been answered. > > ******** Sorry, I didn't mean to overlook anything. Show me again. But if you could keep stuff shorter and to the point I would appreciate it. Long ramblings I tend to skim over. Give me a break! :-) > > Judi But I have so many Important Things to say. And answer my agenda when I tell you to. Laughing, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 > ******** Sorry, I didn't mean to overlook anything. Show me again. But if you could keep stuff shorter and to the point I would appreciate it. Long ramblings I tend to skim over. Give me a break! :-) > > JudiBut I have so many Important Things to say.And answer my agenda when I tell you to.Laughing,Dan ********** Really, give them a fucking inch, they take a mile. :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> ********* There's a lot of subtlties you're missing here. So if > > you would like to " follow " me, if you get my drift, lissen up. Ganga > > is promoting methods to reach some " experience " , she is 'promoting': vichara same as Ramana which is NOT an experience you obsessed jealous rambling thing WHAT DID NOT FINISH! and that is why you are in your deluded sorry state roaming the internet for validation you will be jiving till your last breadth: AVOIDING to face this Ms Highwater act WAKE THE HELL UP!!! and examine what you doing Karta > which is exactly the crap that needs be cut through. In other > > words, " understanding " is not finally reached through some > > experience. " Experience " , whatever it is, is totally and completely > > besides the point. For instance, she promotes a silent mind. > > From the point of view of understanding, whether a person has a > > silent mind or not, makes not one wit, because understanding > > blows the hell of out of the " mind " . If having a silent mind ever > > led anywhere, I assure you, millions upon millions of meditators > > throughout history would be realized. In short, there is no > > " experience " or " state " that ever " leads to " understanding. No > > " one " ever finally " reaches " . There is only the understanding of > > that whole entire game which is " already the case " in the first > > place! And as Wayne Liquorman so succinctly puts it, " you can't > > here from there. " > > > > > > And as Jesus said, those with ears, let them hear! > > > > > > I don't see her promoting silent mind I have seen her say she > > resides within a stilled mind. > > > ******** Sorry, I didn't mean to overlook anything. Show me > again. But if you could keep stuff shorter and to the point I would > appreciate it. Long ramblings I tend to skim over. Give me a > break! :-) > > > > Judi > > But I have so many Important Things to say. > > And answer my agenda when I tell you to. > > Laughing, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 - satkartar7 Realization Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:30 AM Re: Rambling ghost / Judi "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:"Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> ********* There's a lot of subtlties you're missing here. So if > > you would like to "follow" me, if you get my drift, lissen up. Ganga > > is promoting methods to reach some "experience",she is 'promoting': vichara same as Ramana which is NOT an experienceyou obsessed jealous rambling thingWHAT DID NOT FINISH! and that is whyyou are in your deluded sorry stateroaming the internet for validationyou will be jiving till your last breadth: AVOIDING to face this MsHighwater actWAKE THE HELL UP!!! and examine what you doing Karta ********** You are too stupid ugly to be believed Karta. I won't be reading your posts anymore, I'd rather stick my head in a dirty toilet. You're nothing but an ugly piece of angry shit all over these lists, everywhere you go, it's the same thing. You're beyond pathetic, not even a joke anymore. If there was ever an idiot, you are it. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 <WHAT DID NOT FINISH! and that is why you are in your deluded sorry state roaming the internet for validation you will be jiving till your last breadth: AVOIDING to face this Ms Highwater act> Karta, you know I'm not a follower of anyone and would never seek out a Ganga or a ji. I'm not above it, I just don't have the attention span. Do something for me and look at the behavior of Judi and Dan in a pattern rather than in any individual post or message. Isn't it the Authur Murrey dance steps of the ego unleashed and unhidden? What do you think that means? Realization , " satkartar7 " <mi_nok> wrote: > " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > > ********* There's a lot of subtlties you're missing here. So if > > > you would like to " follow " me, if you get my drift, lissen up. Ganga > > > is promoting methods to reach some " experience " , > > she is 'promoting': vichara same > as Ramana which is NOT an experience > you obsessed jealous rambling thing > > WHAT DID NOT FINISH! and that is why > you are in your deluded sorry state > roaming the internet for validation > > you will be jiving till your last > breadth: AVOIDING to face this Ms > Highwater act > > WAKE THE HELL UP!!! > > and examine what you doing > > Karta > > > which is exactly the crap that needs be cut through. In other > > > words, " understanding " is not finally reached through some > > > experience. " Experience " , whatever it is, is totally and completely > > > besides the point. For instance, she promotes a silent mind. > > > From the point of view of understanding, whether a person has a > > > silent mind or not, makes not one wit, because understanding > > > blows the hell of out of the " mind " . If having a silent mind ever > > > led anywhere, I assure you, millions upon millions of meditators > > > throughout history would be realized. In short, there is no > > > " experience " or " state " that ever " leads to " understanding. No > > > " one " ever finally " reaches " . There is only the understanding of > > > that whole entire game which is " already the case " in the first > > > place! And as Wayne Liquorman so succinctly puts it, " you can't > > > here from there. " > > > > > > > > And as Jesus said, those with ears, let them hear! > > > > > > > > > I don't see her promoting silent mind I have seen her say she > > > resides within a stilled mind. > > > > > ******** Sorry, I didn't mean to overlook anything. Show me > > again. But if you could keep stuff shorter and to the point I would > > appreciate it. Long ramblings I tend to skim over. Give me a > > break! :-) > > > > > > Judi > > > > But I have so many Important Things to say. > > > > And answer my agenda when I tell you to. > > > > Laughing, > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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