Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 I except, that today Realization can be void of holy dogmas and I think that is why Dan likes the 'dirrect approach' I hope, that he and Judi will come up with a useful " teaching-tool " one day *understanding* YES indeed here are some of faulty consistencies which when will not be posted; I'll not have to correct Judi anymore: 1.every yoga or meditator is after 'a high' and they are wrong 2. meditators are just masturbating themselves 3. vigilance means 'doing'... 4. who practices any sadhana wants to be saved, or is after an experience analoges referring to " faggots in pink tutus etc " awareness, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Maybe, the differences are unavoidable in that there is no possible teaching tool that can be used or demonstrated by the teacher. The student has to take whatever is offered and play with it like some Montissori toy and find its usefulness for himself. I think that's why all of these people who write in great defense of whoever they've listened to does that. Nobody was really all that helpful, but they were tired of what they were doing and were ready to let some of it go. Looking in your mind, you see what you expect to find and so some of what religeons teach is dangerous when it gets to the place of observer-subconscious where intellectually it had only been a passing thought. The religeon tells the follower that it's a dangerous point but they don't explain that they are the ones who made it so because I suppose they assume that the rest of the world already did that, also. So, enter in the guru or Jesus to watch over them as they let everything fall away from the pure spirit without fear of annialation. But, was it ever really that hard, or are we just conditioned all around to believe it is? Meditation is a natural way of being but we get so busy minded that it takes a class to teach it? Then, because it is a class or some such thing, we approach it like it is some great accomplishment. It isn't a high, just a return to square one, but people do make it into a high by learning play with body substances. They say that these ecstasies are followed by a day or a few of tiredness and pain and then they read the books that tell them how they are releasing their karma and that's why they feel bad. That's dumb. But, I agree with you, Karta, in no throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Vigilance means what you want it to mean. Let it mean to me that I know I live, not just that I think I do or have or will. Let it not mean that I will watch myself and my world until I give myself a neurosis (another one )) Realization , " satkartar7 " <mi_nok> wrote: > I except, that today Realization can > be void of holy dogmas and I think > that is why Dan likes the 'dirrect > approach' > > I hope, that he and Judi will come up > with a useful " teaching-tool " one day > > *understanding* YES indeed > > here are some of faulty consistencies > which when will not be posted; I'll > not have to correct Judi anymore: > > 1.every yoga or meditator is after > 'a high' and they are wrong > > 2. meditators are just masturbating themselves > > 3. vigilance means 'doing'... > > 4. who practices any sadhana wants > to be saved, or is after an experience > > analoges referring to " faggots in pink > tutus etc " > > awareness, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 " Onniko " <onniko> wrote: > Maybe, the differences are unavoidable in that there is no possible > teaching tool that can be used or demonstrated by the teacher. The > student has to take whatever is offered and play with it like some > Montissori toy and find its usefulness for himself. I think that's > why all of these people who write in great defense of whoever > they've listened to does that. Nobody was really all that helpful, > but they were tired of what they were doing and were ready to let > some of it go. > > Looking in your mind, you see what you expect to find and so some > of what religeons teach is dangerous when it gets to the place of > observer-subconscious where intellectually it had only been a > passing thought. The religeon tells the follower that it's a > dangerous point but they don't explain that they are the ones who > made it so because I suppose they assume that the rest of the world > already did that, also. So, enter in the guru or Jesus to watch over > them as they let everything fall away from the pure spirit without > fear of annialation. > > But, was it ever really that hard, or are we just conditioned all > around to believe it is? Meditation is a natural way of being but we > get so busy minded that it takes a class to teach it? Then, because > it is a class or some such thing, we approach it like it is some > great accomplishment. It isn't a high, just a return to square one, > but people do make it into a high by learning play with body > substances. They say that these ecstasies are followed by a day or a > few of tiredness and pain and then they read the books that tell > them how they are releasing their karma and that's why they feel > bad. That's dumb. But, I agree with you, Karta, in no throwing out > the baby with the bathwater. > > Vigilance means what you want it to mean. Let it mean to me that I > know I live, not just that I think I do or have or will. it is great to read your free-spirited normal lines Oniko. Love, Karta Let it not > mean that I will watch myself and my world until I give myself a > neurosis (another one )) > > > > Realization , " satkartar7 " <mi_nok> wrote: > > I except, that today Realization can > > be void of holy dogmas and I think > > that is why Dan likes the 'dirrect > > approach' > > > > I hope, that he and Judi will come up > > with a useful " teaching-tool " one day > > > > *understanding* YES indeed > > > > here are some of faulty consistencies > > which when will not be posted; I'll > > not have to correct Judi anymore: > > > > 1.every yoga or meditator is after > > 'a high' and they are wrong > > > > 2. meditators are just masturbating themselves > > > > 3. vigilance means 'doing'... > > > > 4. who practices any sadhana wants > > to be saved, or is after an experience > > > > analoges referring to " faggots in pink > > tutus etc " > > > > awareness, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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