Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Rob posted:If realized beings never use deceit, then Ramana Maharshi wasn't Self-realized. He used deceit ona large scale. For years he instructed Annamalai Swami to lie about the orders Sri Ramana gave him in order to cause friction and fighting between Annamalai Swami and Sri Ramana's brother. This bizarre story is told in considerable detail in David Godman's book "Living By The Words Of Bhagavan."Jnanis are not walking bottles of sugar syrup. Alton: Also, when asked "where is the Swami" Ramana said, "Swami is not here". Later he said that he did not want to say he was the Swami. Well he could have said like Christ did, "Thou Sayest" and not disembled. My question is: All this talk about the Realized ones having NO EGO is a lot of bull?????? Love, Ramana aka Alton p.s Tanya with a 146 IQ is should be a piece of cake to keep track of the AKA'S. LOL. Or did your binging bring it down to where mine was. ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Dear Alton, > Also, when asked "where is the Swami" Ramana > said, "Swami is not here". Later he said that he did > not want to say he was the Swami. Usually when he said stuff like that, he was making the point that "Bhagavan" wasn't in the body of the man addressed as Ramana Maharshi. There's no deceit in this. Ramana Maharshi had trouble saying "I am a swami" for the same reason he had trouble saying "I am a jnani" or "I am anything." There wasn't any "I" inside him that could be anything. One of the most famous anecdotes about him is that when he ran away from home at age 16, shortly after his realization, he left a note for his family. In the place where he started to sign his name, he made a mark on the page, and then the pen trailed off in a line. He realized as he started to sign his name that it made no sense to do so because there was no person present with a name who could sign the letter. > All this talk about the Realized ones having NO EGO > is a lot of bull?????? When he points to "himself" and says, "No swami here," he's CONFIRMING that there's no ego. > p.s Tanya with a 146 IQ is should be a piece of > cake to keep track of the AKA'S. LOL. Or did > your binging bring it down to where mine was. ha ha. How smart do you have to be to know that "many colors" = Alton? Devotionally, Rob - RAMANA MAHARSHI Realization Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:35 PM Ramana used deceit also Rob posted:If realized beings never use deceit, then Ramana Maharshi wasn't Self-realized. He used deceit ona large scale. For years he instructed Annamalai Swami to lie about the orders Sri Ramana gave him in order to cause friction and fighting between Annamalai Swami and Sri Ramana's brother. This bizarre story is told in considerable detail in David Godman's book "Living By The Words Of Bhagavan."Jnanis are not walking bottles of sugar syrup. Alton: Also, when asked "where is the Swami" Ramana said, "Swami is not here". Later he said that he did not want to say he was the Swami. Well he could have said like Christ did, "Thou Sayest" and not disembled. My question is: All this talk about the Realized ones having NO EGO is a lot of bull?????? Love, Ramana aka Alton p.s Tanya with a 146 IQ is should be a piece of cake to keep track of the AKA'S. LOL. Or did your binging bring it down to where mine was. ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Dear Rob: firstly, I want to congratulate you for allowing a free group with what you call "personal attacks" which is a little too dysphemistic, and I call "personal encounters" by not of the third kind; although sometimes it appears that way. This seems to be the only spiritual group that I have been on that is not sugar coated with bhakti baloney. Dear Alton, > Also, when asked "where is the Swami" Ramana > said, "Swami is not here". Later he said that he did > not want to say he was the Swami. Usually when he said stuff like that, he was making the point that "Bhagavan" wasn't in the body of the man addressed as Ramana Maharshi. There's no deceit in this. No deceit maybe but surely his imagination. He was selling his trip, probably with some degree of sincerity, but what he says about the Realized ones having no EGO does not compute. Ramana said he thinks when asked questions, or when reading, but not at other times. So you can think and answer questions without that ego? The ego is the interface to communicate with the world. When he is in Samadhi his ego is declutched or at rest. He just had that ability and power to stay in samadhi for longer times then the rest of the motley crew of gurus I believe the spiritual authority, Bruce Morgan agreed that the Realized ones have use of their ego's but are generally detached from it. Rob: When he points to "himself" and says, "No swami here," he's CONFIRMING that there's no ego. Who was it that did that confirming? Another ghost like dead Judi's ghost? It's like having an orgasm. If one has a powerful mind and body and no hang-ups then the orgasm with be like a geyser. The ordinary person's will be like a water spout. The same with that samadhi ability. You can get a flash of it, but not what Ramana had unless you have that incredibly powerful mind and body like Ramana demonstrated. The Gurus say that the EGO is not real, because if you try to find it you wont. Well, I say it is a program in the mind and you can find it if you understand the code that contains it. That Ego program comes with an option, with training to detach from that EGO. We write a new program of mindfulness and blow away the constrictions of that EGO. Go for it Rob and end your interminable suffering. Stop wasting so much time on the groups and do some intense practice. The same goes for Alton aka. Lets face it, this trip is all about POWER. testosterone Judi seems to have it to some extent, like Koresh and Jones did, but not to the extent that Ramana did. Rob, maybe someday soon the universe will grant you that power and then the sheep will follow you to Valhalla. But don't count on me as your chela. My strong Uranus wont tolerate surrender, thank goddess.. The teaching are incredibly valuable is you are able to take what you can use and run, like Ram Dass' guru told him when he asked if he could have other teachers. It's more fun to not agree to disagree. With all the love that Saddam grants me. Hey aint the Self in Saddam too? Ramana Maharshi Ramana Maharshi had trouble saying "I am a swami" for the same reason he had trouble saying "I am a jnani" or "I am anything." There wasn't any "I" inside him that could be anything. One of the most famous anecdotes about him is that when he ran away from home at age 16, shortly after his realization, he left a note for his family. In the place where he started to sign his name, he made a mark on the page, and then the pen trailed off in a line. He realized as he started to sign his name that it made no sense to do so because there was no person present with a name who could sign the letter. > All this talk about the Realized ones having NO EGO > is a lot of bull?????? When he points to "himself" and says, "No swami here," he's CONFIRMING that there's no ego. > p.s Tanya with a 146 IQ is should be a piece of > cake to keep track of the AKA'S. LOL. Or did > your binging bring it down to where mine was. ha ha. How smart do you have to be to know that "many colors" = Alton? Devotionally, Rob - RAMANA MAHARSHI Realization Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:35 PM Ramana used deceit also Rob posted:If realized beings never use deceit, then Ramana Maharshi wasn't Self-realized. He used deceit ona large scale. For years he instructed Annamalai Swami to lie about the orders Sri Ramana gave him in order to cause friction and fighting between Annamalai Swami and Sri Ramana's brother. This bizarre story is told in considerable detail in David Godman's book "Living By The Words Of Bhagavan."Jnanis are not walking bottles of sugar syrup. Alton: Also, when asked "where is the Swami" Ramana said, "Swami is not here". Later he said that he did not want to say he was the Swami. Well he could have said like Christ did, "Thou Sayest" and not dissembled. My question is: All this talk about the Realized ones having NO EGO is a lot of bull?????? Love, Ramana aka Alton p.s Tanya with a 146 IQ is should be a piece of cake to keep track of the AKA'S. LOL. Or did your binging bring it down to where mine was. ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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