Hello

[Guest guest]

Hi Sinha,

 

Curious to know if the Madhukar you are referring to is the same

Madhukar Thomson. I've met one person named Madukar on several

occasions, at Kiran Kanakia's house, Ramesh's house & the Osho

commune (he owns a house within the property of the commune).

 

Is he an ex-Osho sanyasin, ex disciple of Kiran Kanakia, Ramesh

Balsekar, etc., a video buff (as Ramesh once put it) and an author

of some book on the many gurus he's met?

 

Havent seen him for several years... although I did see a man who

resembled him in Arunachala in February this year... was he there

then?

I was wondering what he's upto...what does he do these days?

 

Regards,

Sundeep

 

 

Nisargadatta, Sinha Karman <sinhaka> wrote:

> I just would like to say hello to all you

> Nisargapeople here in this group. I've just joined and

> it seems to be a very warm group. And also a lot of

> good stuff is being posted, ty all very much.

>

> I have just come home to sweden from my second visit

> to India, travelling with my Master Madhukar, and as I

> again came to mumbai, I once again visited

> Nisargadattas loft, or as it was called 'The Ashram'.

> It's quite beautiful to sit there for some time. If

> you're visiting mumbai someday, then i could surely

> recommend this. Maharaj's brothers son is living there

> at the moment with his wife and son.

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

It's not Madhukar Thompson, and yes, it's that man who

resembled at arunachala in feb this year. Where you

there, in satsang? If so, then we must have seen each

other. You can find more info at his website,

www.madhukar.org

 

From what I've heard (and these are rumours), Ramesh

wasn't too happy about that book, published by

Thompson, about his so called 'enlightened disciples'.

It was said to me that Ramesh didn't really

acknowledge all of them as being, what he call

'enlightened'.

 

I don't know what he's doing now.

 

Frid (swedish for 'peace')

 

/Sinhaka

 

 

Hi Sinha,

 

Curious to know if the Madhukar you are referring to

is the same

Madhukar Thomson. I've met one person named Madukar on

several

occasions, at Kiran Kanakia's house, Ramesh's house &

the Osho

commune (he owns a house within the property of the

commune).

 

Is he an ex-Osho sanyasin, ex disciple of Kiran

Kanakia, Ramesh

Balsekar, etc., a video buff (as Ramesh once put it)

and an author

of some book on the many gurus he's met?

 

Havent seen him for several years... although I did

see a man who

resembled him in Arunachala in February this year...

was he there

then?

I was wondering what he's upto...what does he do these

days?

 

Regards,

Sundeep

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I recently d to this group and I'm moved and impressed by the heart and

compassion displayed in the postings. I thought I would say hi and introduce

myself.

 

I'm a writer and a " spiritual seeker " (I hate to label myself that way for a

variety of reasons, but there it is) living in Manhhattan. By day I am an

advertising creative director. I'm 39 and married.

 

I grew up in a small town in Southeast Alaska, a community full of conservative

born-again Christians. My parents were liberal atheists. I grew up distrustful

of organized religion, skeptical

of Christian irrationalism and interested in science, but with a sense that

underneath the spiritual ritual and dogma there was something real and profound

into which I would tap one day.

 

I had a disorienting mini-peak experience at 17 -- a deep, impersonal love

spontaneously entered my heart and opened me up. I realized that I had been

asleep up to that point, and that virtually everyone I knew was likewise asleep.

I experienced this insight as primarily disturbing rather than fulfilling!

 

I moved to the SF bay area of California when I was 19. I became

interested in Zen, but my interest mostly expressed itself in reading. My best

friend was an " esthole " , so I did est and followed suit, doing as many Werner

Erhard seminars as I could in a 4-year period. During one of them, the intensive

6-Day Advanced Course, I had my 1st full-blown peak experience. After a deep and

cathartic emotional release, I suddenly felt like I was " present " and

experiencing reality fully for the 1st time. It was like being on LSD minus the

" drugginess " -- colors were brighter, things seemed more " 3-dimensional " , and it

seemed as though I was " One With Everything " . The experience lasted for a few

days, then passed. I spent many years longing for a return to that state.

 

Last year, without going into great detail, I had a whole series of intense, and

mostly beautiful, spiritual experiences. As a result I have decided that

attainment of enlightenment is pretty much my only goal at this point, with

working, eating, taking out the trash etc. basically serving to support this

goal.

 

What have I been doing to achieve my goal? A lot of reading, for one thing. I've

considered the following books helpful, which I read in the listed order:

 

_Awareness_ by Anthony de Mello

_The Power of Now_ by Eckhart Tolle

_Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing_ by Jed McKenna

_Embracing Heaven and Earth_ by Andrew Cohen

_As It Is: The Open Secret to Spiritual Awakening_ by Tony Parsons

_Nobody Home_ by Jan Kersschot

 

De Mello and Tolle both advocate a " practice " of continually, and detachedly,

observing one's thoughts and feelings. As much as possible I've been doing that,

and I feel I've derived some great " side benefits " from it -- namely I'm more

peaceful and less neurotic and reactive. I've also had a lot of " spiritual

insights " this way. McKenna's proscribed practice is " write down the truth, " and

he and others also describe Ramana Maharshi's " Who am I? " excercise, so I've

also been doing a fair amount of that, with some benefit. I _was_ meditating for

extensive periods, but recently I've been attracted to Tony Parsons'

" teachings, " which say that meditation (along with all the other stuff I've been

practicing!) is useless, so I've been doing less formal meditation.

 

I've never had a spiritual teacher, unless you can call Werner Erhard that. I

attended an Andrew Cohen gathering recently and was less than fully impressed. I

am strongly hesitant to attach myself to a guru or formal system unless it feels

_really_ right.

 

Anyway, that's me. Good to make your acquaintance; any guidance, suggestions or

feedback would be warmly welcomed.

 

--Glenn Davis

[Guest guest]

Welcome Glenn! And godspeed!

 

--- Glenn Davis <glenn wrote:

> I recently d to this group and I'm moved

> and impressed by the heart and compassion displayed

> in the postings. I thought I would say hi and

> introduce myself.

>

> I'm a writer and a " spiritual seeker " (I hate to

> label myself that way for a variety of reasons, but

> there it is) living in Manhhattan. By day I am an

> advertising creative director. I'm 39 and married.

>

> I grew up in a small town in Southeast Alaska, a

> community full of conservative born-again

> Christians. My parents were liberal atheists. I grew

> up distrustful of organized religion, skeptical

> of Christian irrationalism and interested in

> science, but with a sense that underneath the

> spiritual ritual and dogma there was something real

> and profound into which I would tap one day.

>

> I had a disorienting mini-peak experience at 17 -- a

> deep, impersonal love spontaneously entered my heart

> and opened me up. I realized that I had been asleep

> up to that point, and that virtually everyone I knew

> was likewise asleep. I experienced this insight as

> primarily disturbing rather than fulfilling!

>

> I moved to the SF bay area of California when I was

> 19. I became

> interested in Zen, but my interest mostly expressed

> itself in reading. My best friend was an " esthole " ,

> so I did est and followed suit, doing as many Werner

> Erhard seminars as I could in a 4-year period.

> During one of them, the intensive 6-Day Advanced

> Course, I had my 1st full-blown peak experience.

> After a deep and cathartic emotional release, I

> suddenly felt like I was " present " and experiencing

> reality fully for the 1st time. It was like being on

> LSD minus the " drugginess " -- colors were brighter,

> things seemed more " 3-dimensional " , and it seemed as

> though I was " One With Everything " . The experience

> lasted for a few days, then passed. I spent many

> years longing for a return to that state.

>

> Last year, without going into great detail, I had a

> whole series of intense, and mostly beautiful,

> spiritual experiences. As a result I have decided

> that attainment of enlightenment is pretty much my

> only goal at this point, with working, eating,

> taking out the trash etc. basically serving to

> support this goal.

>

> What have I been doing to achieve my goal? A lot of

> reading, for one thing. I've considered the

> following books helpful, which I read in the listed

> order:

>

> _Awareness_ by Anthony de Mello

> _The Power of Now_ by Eckhart Tolle

> _Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing_ by

> Jed McKenna

> _Embracing Heaven and Earth_ by Andrew Cohen

> _As It Is: The Open Secret to Spiritual Awakening_

> by Tony Parsons

> _Nobody Home_ by Jan Kersschot

>

> De Mello and Tolle both advocate a " practice " of

> continually, and detachedly, observing one's

> thoughts and feelings. As much as possible I've been

> doing that, and I feel I've derived some great " side

> benefits " from it -- namely I'm more peaceful and

> less neurotic and reactive. I've also had a lot of

> " spiritual insights " this way. McKenna's proscribed

> practice is " write down the truth, " and he and

> others also describe Ramana Maharshi's " Who am I? "

> excercise, so I've also been doing a fair amount of

> that, with some benefit. I _was_ meditating for

> extensive periods, but recently I've been attracted

> to Tony Parsons' " teachings, " which say that

> meditation (along with all the other stuff I've been

> practicing!) is useless, so I've been doing less

> formal meditation.

>

> I've never had a spiritual teacher, unless you can

> call Werner Erhard that. I attended an Andrew Cohen

> gathering recently and was less than fully

> impressed. I am strongly hesitant to attach myself

> to a guru or formal system unless it feels _really_

> right.

>

> Anyway, that's me. Good to make your acquaintance;

> any guidance, suggestions or feedback would be

> warmly welcomed.

>

> --Glenn Davis

>

 

 

 

 

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Glenn:

Thanks much for sharing about your self and what you have been into

I recently d to this group and I'm moved and impressed by the heart and compassion displayed in the postings. I thought I would say hi and introduce myself.

Yes: The members here have much love and compassion, but they are also free to show anger.

I'm a writer and a "spiritual seeker" (I hate to label myself that way for a variety of reasons, but there it is) living in Manhhattan. By day I am an advertising creative director. I'm 39 and married.

 

Is your wife into a spiritual quest also? If yes that eliminates a lot of conflicts, but mine were probably good for me as I would have gone off the deep end with intensity.I grew up in a small town in Southeast Alaska, a community full of conservative born-again Christians. My parents were liberal atheists. I grew up distrustful of organized religion, skepticalof Christian irrationalism and interested in science, but with a sense that underneath the spiritual ritual and dogma there was something real and profound into which I would tap one day.

 

Good deal. Destiny rules.I had a disorienting mini-peak experience at 17 -- a deep, impersonal love spontaneously entered my heart and opened me up. I realized that I had been asleep up to that point, and that virtually everyone I knew was likewise asleep. I experienced this insight as primarily disturbing rather than fulfilling!

 

Looking back now, how do you see it?I moved to the SF bay area of California when I was 19. I becameinterested in Zen, but my interest mostly expressed itself in reading. My best friend was an "esthole", so I did est and followed suit, doing as many Werner Erhard seminars as I could in a 4-year period. During one of them, the intensive 6-Day Advanced Course, I had my 1st full-blown peak experience. After a deep and cathartic emotional release, I suddenly felt like I was "present" and experiencing reality fully for the 1st time. It was like being on LSD minus the "drugginess" -- colors were brighter, things seemed more "3-dimensional", and it seemed as though I was "One With Everything". The experience lasted for a few days, then passed. I spent many years longing for a return to that state.

 

After we took the 40 day Arica training in Mexico we took the primary EST seminar. The teachers at the retreat recommended it. We both forked up $250 each and everything they presented we had before. And near the end before the "Kicker" they offered to give our money back. They made us so curious that we did not ask for it back. At least one of us should have asked for it back. Then came the kicker and boy was I disappointed. Of course when they said "What is, IS", I now realize that "What Is". was my disappointment about being ripped off. Like who needed to spend $500 for that. heheheh

Could you tell all you can about the six day Advanced intensive course? What exactly did you do? I realize that you may have signed an agreement not to tell so if you did and want to honor it please say so. If you dont want to honor it, great.

Last year, without going into great detail, I had a whole series of intense, and mostly beautiful, spiritual experiences. As a result I have decided that attainment of enlightenment is pretty much my only goal at this point, with working, eating, taking out the trash etc. basically serving to support this goal.

 

What exactly do you expect to experience when "Enlightenment" appears?What have I been doing to achieve my goal? A lot of reading, for one thing. I've considered the following books helpful, which I read in the listed order:_Awareness_ by Anthony de Mello_The Power of Now_ by Eckhart Tolle_Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing_ by Jed McKenna_Embracing Heaven and Earth_ by Andrew Cohen_As It Is: The Open Secret to Spiritual Awakening_ by Tony Parsons_Nobody Home_ by Jan Kersschot

 

I'll keep a list of these books for future reading. I've read snips from some of them.

 

De Mello and Tolle both advocate a "practice" of continually, and detachedly, observing one's thoughts and feelings. As much as possible I've been doing that, and I feel I've derived some great "side benefits" from it -- namely I'm more peaceful and less neurotic and reactive. I've also had a lot of "spiritual insights" this way. McKenna's proscribed practice is "write down the truth," and he and others also describe Ramana Maharshi's "Who am I?" excercise, so I've also been doing a fair amount of that, with some benefit. I _was_ meditating for extensive periods, but recently I've been attracted to Tony Parsons' "teachings," which say that meditation (along with all the other stuff I've been practicing!) is useless, so I've been doing less formal meditation.

 

Useless as far as what? I've never had a spiritual teacher, unless you can call Werner Erhard that. I attended an Andrew Cohen gathering recently and was less than fully impressed. I am strongly hesitant to attach myself to a guru or formal system unless it feels _really_ right.

 

What did not impress you about Andrew?Anyway, that's me. Good to make your acquaintance; any guidance, suggestions or feedback would be warmly welcomed.

 

Great to have you on this group. Most of the groups I have been on have only a few posters even though there may be 200 or so members. This one so far has had a high percentage of posters for the limited membership.

 

Love,

Alton

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[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , CHANDRA SWAMY <amcsswamy>

wrote:

> i want to join in chat room

> bye

 

hi chandra, the nisargadatta webpage has a built-in chat

option. this is the url:

 

Nisargadatta/chat

 

because there's no regularly scheduled chat session at this time,

unless some members voluteer to log on there while multitasking,

usually you won't find anyone there.

 

hur

[Guest guest]

Hi Emre,

 

Welcome to the group. Like you I feel a desire to be in touch with our real nature. My awareness seems clouded, as if somehow I constantly am missing the real point. Nisargadatta's big book is quite wonderful. It was translated and edited by Maurice Frydman, who did a remarkable job with it. Frydman also assembled one of the many compilations of Ramana's remarks which are published by Sri Ramanashramam, although his name doesn't appear on it. It's called "Maharshi's Gospel."

 

Best regards,

 

Rob

 

 

 

Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Emre GeylaniThursday, July 07, 2005 4:52 AMrealization Subject: hello

 

Hello,

 

I've just joined this group and wanted to say hello to the members.

 

I am living in Ankara Turkey, 26 year old, and working in a company as a computer engineer. and my most passioned hobby is (try) to stay in touch with our real nature.

 

i am reading the books of Nisargadatta Maharaj, Osho and related papers about buddha and hz.mohammad.

 

best wishes

[Guest guest]

Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote:

> Hi Emre,

>

> Welcome to the group. Like you I feel a desire to be in touch with

our real

> nature. My awareness seems clouded, as if somehow I constantly am

missing

> the real point. Nisargadatta's big book is quite wonderful. It was

> translated and edited by Maurice Frydman, who did a remarkable job

with it.

> Frydman also assembled one of the many compilations of Ramana's

remarks

> which are published by Sri Ramanashramam, although his name doesn't

appear

> on it. It's called " Maharshi's Gospel. "

>

> Best regards,

>

> Rob

>

 

***********

Has it dawned on you that you're looking for something that isn't

there? Seeking is your nature, it's who and what " you " are -

" suffering " .

 

Judi

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the hospitality Michael and Rob, it felt like returning a

well known place.

 

i'll take a look for that Maharaj Ramana's book,

 

 

 

Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote:

> Hi Emre,

>

> Welcome to the group. Like you I feel a desire to be in touch

with our real

> nature. My awareness seems clouded, as if somehow I constantly am

missing

> the real point. Nisargadatta's big book is quite wonderful. It

was

> translated and edited by Maurice Frydman, who did a remarkable job

with it.

> Frydman also assembled one of the many compilations of Ramana's

remarks

> which are published by Sri Ramanashramam, although his name

doesn't appear

> on it. It's called " Maharshi's Gospel. "

>

> Best regards,

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judi,

 

> Has it dawned on you that you're

> looking for something that isn't

> there? Seeking is your nature,

> it's who and what " you " are -

> " suffering " .

 

The thing I was talking about is real, in my humble opinion.

There's more here than " you " .

 

Cheers,

 

Rob

 

 

Realization

[Realization ] On Behalf Of Judi

Rhodes

Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:48 AM

Realization

Re: hello

 

Realization , " Rob Sacks "

<editor@r...> wrote:

> Hi Emre,

>

> Welcome to the group. Like you I feel a desire to be in

touch with

our real

> nature. My awareness seems clouded, as if somehow I

constantly am

missing

> the real point. Nisargadatta's big book is quite

wonderful. It was

> translated and edited by Maurice Frydman, who did a

remarkable job

with it.

> Frydman also assembled one of the many compilations of

Ramana's

remarks

> which are published by Sri Ramanashramam, although his

name doesn't

appear

> on it. It's called " Maharshi's Gospel. "

>

> Best regards,

>

> Rob

>

 

***********

Has it dawned on you that you're looking for something that

isn't

there? Seeking is your nature, it's who and what " you " are

-

" suffering " .

 

Judi

[Guest guest]

> Hi Judi,

>

>> Has it dawned on you that you're

>> looking for something that isn't

>> there? Seeking is your nature,

>> it's who and what " you " are -

>> " suffering " .

>

> The thing I was talking about is real, in my humble opinion.

> There's more here than " you " .

>

> Cheers,

>

> Rob

 

**********

Knock yourself out. :-)

 

Judi

[Guest guest]

> Knock yourself out. :-)

 

Thanks, I'll try.

 

 

Realization

[Realization ] On Behalf Of Judi

Rhodes

Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:05 PM

Realization

Re: Re: hello

 

 

 

> Hi Judi,

>

>> Has it dawned on you that you're

>> looking for something that isn't

>> there? Seeking is your nature,

>> it's who and what " you " are -

>