Attn: Paul Overcoming Depression. Some suggestions

[Guest guest]

Dear Paul:

 

I just read what I wrote below.

The discharge period must be experienced and if you had medicines like me it

will be terrific. So think of that period as being a year or so, but the

cleansing continues for your whole lifetime.

 

Just remember that what is leaving the body you will have a tremendous

cravings for.

If it is dairy then substitute nut butters. If it is meat then eat seitan

wheat glutin. Etc.

Eating very small amounts often stop excessive discharging. Take long walks

inbetween and sleep when tired.

 

Our granddaughter grew up with us and I was the cook. When we squeeze our

toes we feel terrific pain.

Everyone in the family is like that, but Estee did not feel pain. If you

knew what I ate during my lifetime, you would not believe that I am still

alive. I owe it all to Macrobiotic and my wife too. Her mom died of Cancer

at 57 and she is now 70 and getting stronger.

 

My cooking started 100 percent strict and then we adapted it to the climate

of Hawaii.

 

Where do you live?

 

Thanks for this site.

I like it so much that I want to share some of it with others that are

interested. See below after this post.

 

Right now my body is going through some heavy changes after my hernia

operation. I am starting to get a cold, so I cut out almost all oils and

dropped that soy milk. The soy milk may not be strict Macrobiotics but it

has allowed me to be a vegetarian for the first time in my many failures at

it. I am now getting salty and eating no sweets at all until I feel better.

The Macrobiotic tools are there for managing one's body.

 

 

If you read the literature, Ozawa tried to convince Albert Schweitzer to

become Macrobiotic and even though he cured an incurable illness by eating

only salt wrapped in nori, Schweitzer did not align himself with Ozawa.

 

One thing I advice is not to react to what some of the leaders are doing,

like incessant smoking. At least they used to when we were into it. Ozawa

said that with the Macrobiotic diet you would not get cancer, so his clones

all chain smoked. Unfortunately that turned lots of people off to

Macrobiotics

 

The book list you that you noted is great. If you really get interested you

can go to Boston or Florida and take some seminars.

 

Most of our books burned up when a renter let his kid play with matches.

 

Also, having a session with a practicioner to diagnose your particular

situation may be helpful.

 

We went to a Macrobiotic summer camp with the Aihara's and other macrobiotic

healers. One was Omori from Japan.

 

Just found a easy cookbook on the shelf. Michel Abehsera's Zen Macrobiotic

cooking.

 

Any more questions are welcomed.

 

Love,

Alton

 

What is Macrobiotics?

The following is excerpted from Pocket Guide to Macrobiotics by Carl Ferré:

 

Macrobiotics is the practical application of the natural laws of change.

The term comes from the Greek; " macro " means great, and " bios " means life.

It is a tool that allows one to learn to live within the natural order of

life, the constantly changing nature of all things.

 

Macrobiotics as it is known today is the result of the tireless work and

vision of George Ohsawa (1893-1966).... While macrobiotic principles can be

applied to all areas of life,... the macrobiotic approach to diet emphasizes

whole grains and fresh vegetables, and for the most part avoids meat, dairy

foods, and processed foods. The goal is to provide the body with essential

nutrients so that it can function efficiently without loading it with toxins

or excesses that must be eliminated or stored. And since the body is always

adjusting to changes in the environment and to aging, its needs will always

change as well. The idea is to continually balance the effect of foods eaten

and other influences on the body, largely through diet, and to adjust to

changes in a controlled and peaceful manner.

 

A basic tenet of macrobiotic thinking is that all things--our bodies,

foods, and everything else--are composed of yin and yang energies. Yin

energies are outward moving, yang energies are inward. Every thing has both

yin and yang energies, but with either yin or yang in excess. Most of the

foods that make up the standard American diet have very strong yin or yang

characters, and also tend to be acid-forming. In contrast macrobiotic

practice emphasizes the two food groups--grains and vegetables--that have

the least pronounced yin and yang qualities, making it easier to achieve a

more balanced condition within the natural order of life. Living within the

natural order means eating only what is necessary for one's condition and

desires, and learning to adjust in a peaceful way to life's changes.

Learning the effects of different foods allows one to consciously counteract

other influences and maintain a healthy dynamically-balanced state. The

resulting freedom from fear and sense of control are two of the most

important benefits of a macrobiotic practice.

 

The conventional nutritional approach holds that each individual needs

certain amounts of proteins, fats, carbohydrates, vitamins, and minerals

each day, based on a statistical average of everybody's needs. This makes

the recommended daily allowances easy to comprehend, but does not allow for

the uniqueness of each individual's changing needs. It eventually leads to

stagnant, unfree thinking. The macrobiotic approach maintains that what

works for one person will not necessarily work for another, and that what

works one day may not work the next. Therefore, the macrobiotic approach

amounts to determining the foods that are best suited to each person based

on her or his current condition and what she or he wants to become. In other

words, a macrobiotic approach requires a change in thinking from a static

view of life to a dynamic and flexible one. This leads to real freedom. The

first and most important step is to change from a diet based on meat and

sugar to one based on grains and vegetables.

 

Very few people can make such a radical shift overnight. Instead, most

people learn macrobiotics in stages...

 

To order this or other books on macrobiotics, call the George Ohsawa

Macrobiotic Foundation, (800) 232-2372 or (530) 566-9765,

www.gomf.macrobiotic.net

 

 

 

 

> >

> > I don't know if you are still out there but if you

> > are I would like

> > to tell you I am interested in looking into a

> > macrobiotic diet. I

> > found this site: http://www.gomf.macrobiotic.net/

> > Do you know

> > anything about its usefullness? Also I am looking

> > for books to learn

> > about it and that site recommended these:

> >

> > " Books are a great place to start. Here are the

> > books we recommend

> > for a basic macrobiotic library. See Book Sales

> > for ordering

> > information.

> >

> > Introductory: Pocket Guide to Macrobiotics by

> > Carl Ferré, $6.95

> >

> > Basic Macrobiotics by Herman Aihara, $12.95

> >

> > Cookbooks: Basic Macrobiotic Cooking by Julia

> > Ferré, $12.95

> >

> > Self-Healing Cookbook by Kristina Turner, $16.50

> >

> >

> > Theory: Essential Ohsawa by George Ohsawa,

> > edited by Carl Ferré,

> > $12.95

> >

> > Acid and Alkaline, 5th Edition by Herman Aihara,

> > $8.95

> >

> > Health: Natural Healing from Head to Toe by

> > Cornellia and Herman

> > Aihara, $14.95

> >

> > Food and Healing by Annemarie Colbin, $12.95

> > Finding someone near to you who can help explain

> > macrobiotics is

> > important. See Links for additional informaion.

> > Two additional publications that are very helpful

> > and highly

> > recommended are:

> >

> > International Macrobiotic Directory published by

> > Bob Mattson (see

> > Book Sales)

> > Macrobiotics Today magazine published by

> > G.O.M.F. (see Newsletter) "

> >

> >

> > What do you think of them? Are they any other

> > books you recommend as

> > better alternatives? Today is my first true day

> > in which I am

> > seriously going to look into this, so any help you

> > can offer is

> > appreciated.

> >

> > I also would like to apologize to this group for

> > all of my whining

> > and depressive emails. I am sorry that I exposed

> > you all to such

> > desperation.

> >

> > Love and Light,

> > Paul

> >

> > Realization , " No-Count

> > Dracula " <unbound@h...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ----- Dear Paul:

> > >

> > > I am not relating to you from a " white tower " .

> > I have had

> > psychiatric care when I was younger and lots of

> > alternative healing

> > interventions. Everything I did gave me some help

> > to go beyond

> > unwanted mental states. I am still occasionally

> > being buffeted by

> > unpleasant events that arise, but I regain my

> > balance quickly.

> > >

> > > Have you read " I Am That " , the dialogues of

> > Nisargadatta? I read

> > it at least 6 times and that gave me much help in

> > this area of

> > understanding the mind.

> > >

> > > If you know for sure that what is happening in

> > your life, already

> > happened at the time of conception, would you be

> > able to sit back to

> > some extent and witness the passing show? What

> > reactions are you

> > having to your " depression " ? Even if you dont

> > believe the aforesaid,

> > it is helpful for witnessing and not getting over

> > identified with

> > your mental states.

> > >

> > > Now for the dietary aspect. We experimented

> > with many, maybe most

> > of the different diets and fortunately decided to

> > take a Macrobiotic

> > seminar. We then realized that this diet would not

> > only heal our

> > bodies but stabilize our consciousness too. We

> > tried being

> > sproutarians, fruitarians, even breatharians and

> > nothing came close

> > to the Macrobiotic diet which applies the

> > principals of Yin and Yang

> > not only to diet but to the understanding of the

> > order of the

> > universe.

> > >

> > > This friend who was a raw foodist and also an

> > initiate of Charan

> > Singh was really nervous and strung out. Charan

> > said when she had a

> > Darshan with him, " you need to change you diet and

> > go on grains " .

> > >

> > > The problem with changing one's diet is that

> > your will certainly

> > experience some heavy duty discharges which are

> > the effects of the

> > body being cleansed. You might then think that it

> > is the diet that is

> > the problem. I was on medicines for 18 years and

> > when I ate short

> > grain brown rice for only two days it caused

> > stomach pains and a

> > heavy discharge from my eyes. That was the liver

> > cleaning the body of

> > impurities. After months I was able to eat that

> > rice every day.

> > >

> > > I had a couple of seven day only water fasts

> > and that certainly

> > helped too, but I would not recommend it until

> > unpleasant mental

> > states stop predominating.

> > >

> > > In Macrobiotics they have a 30 day brown rice

> > and gomashio diet

> > and that is very beneficial if you can take the

> > sometimes horrendous

> > elimination of toxins. If I were doing it again I

> > would be willing to

> > make changes like going on fresh juices when the

> > discharge was too

> > strong.

> > >

> > > If you decide on that diet you need help from

> > a practicioner and

> > lessons on how to cook.

> > >

> > > Depending on where you live, you can most

> > probably find some

> > Macrobiotic places to visit and see what it is

> > about. Just remember

> > not to react to a small part of it that you

> > disagree with. I am the

> > type that can take what my teachers have to offer

> > without becoming a

> > slave to them or it.

> > >

> > > Also, some form of exercise that causes one to

> > breath deeply is

> > helpful.

> > >

> > > Have you thought of taking a yoga class for

> > beginners?

> > >

> > > I also noticed that those who are depressed

> > don't sleep regular

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Alton,

 

I live in central New Jersey near the ocean. Thanks

for the information. I hope you feel better!

 

Love,

Paul

 

--- SILENCE SEEKER <unbound wrote:

> Dear Paul:

>

> I just read what I wrote below.

> The discharge period must be experienced and if you

> had medicines like me it

> will be terrific. So think of that period as being

> a year or so, but the

> cleansing continues for your whole lifetime.

>

> Just remember that what is leaving the body you will

> have a tremendous

> cravings for.

> If it is dairy then substitute nut butters. If it is

> meat then eat seitan

> wheat glutin. Etc.

> Eating very small amounts often stop excessive

> discharging. Take long walks

> inbetween and sleep when tired.

>

> Our granddaughter grew up with us and I was the

> cook. When we squeeze our

> toes we feel terrific pain.

> Everyone in the family is like that, but Estee did

> not feel pain. If you

> knew what I ate during my lifetime, you would not

> believe that I am still

> alive. I owe it all to Macrobiotic and my wife too.

> Her mom died of Cancer

> at 57 and she is now 70 and getting stronger.

>

> My cooking started 100 percent strict and then we

> adapted it to the climate

> of Hawaii.

>

> Where do you live?

>

> Thanks for this site.

> I like it so much that I want to share some of it

> with others that are

> interested. See below after this post.

>

> Right now my body is going through some heavy

> changes after my hernia

> operation. I am starting to get a cold, so I cut out

> almost all oils and

> dropped that soy milk. The soy milk may not be

> strict Macrobiotics but it

> has allowed me to be a vegetarian for the first time

> in my many failures at

> it. I am now getting salty and eating no sweets at

> all until I feel better.

> The Macrobiotic tools are there for managing one's

> body.

>

>

> If you read the literature, Ozawa tried to convince

> Albert Schweitzer to

> become Macrobiotic and even though he cured an

> incurable illness by eating

> only salt wrapped in nori, Schweitzer did not align

> himself with Ozawa.

>

> One thing I advice is not to react to what some of

> the leaders are doing,

> like incessant smoking. At least they used to when

> we were into it. Ozawa

> said that with the Macrobiotic diet you would not

> get cancer, so his clones

> all chain smoked. Unfortunately that turned lots of

> people off to

> Macrobiotics

>

> The book list you that you noted is great. If you

> really get interested you

> can go to Boston or Florida and take some seminars.

>

> Most of our books burned up when a renter let his

> kid play with matches.

>

> Also, having a session with a practicioner to

> diagnose your particular

> situation may be helpful.

>

> We went to a Macrobiotic summer camp with the

> Aihara's and other macrobiotic

> healers. One was Omori from Japan.

>

> Just found a easy cookbook on the shelf. Michel

> Abehsera's Zen Macrobiotic

> cooking.

>

> Any more questions are welcomed.

>

> Love,

> Alton

>

> What is Macrobiotics?

> The following is excerpted from Pocket Guide to

> Macrobiotics by Carl Ferré:

>

> Macrobiotics is the practical application of the

> natural laws of change.

> The term comes from the Greek; " macro " means great,

> and " bios " means life.

> It is a tool that allows one to learn to live within

> the natural order of

> life, the constantly changing nature of all things.

>

> Macrobiotics as it is known today is the result of

> the tireless work and

> vision of George Ohsawa (1893-1966).... While

> macrobiotic principles can be

> applied to all areas of life,... the macrobiotic

> approach to diet emphasizes

> whole grains and fresh vegetables, and for the most

> part avoids meat, dairy

> foods, and processed foods. The goal is to provide

> the body with essential

> nutrients so that it can function efficiently

> without loading it with toxins

> or excesses that must be eliminated or stored. And

> since the body is always

> adjusting to changes in the environment and to

> aging, its needs will always

> change as well. The idea is to continually balance

> the effect of foods eaten

> and other influences on the body, largely through

> diet, and to adjust to

> changes in a controlled and peaceful manner.

>

> A basic tenet of macrobiotic thinking is that all

> things--our bodies,

> foods, and everything else--are composed of yin and

> yang energies. Yin

> energies are outward moving, yang energies are

> inward. Every thing has both

> yin and yang energies, but with either yin or yang

> in excess. Most of the

> foods that make up the standard American diet have

> very strong yin or yang

> characters, and also tend to be acid-forming. In

> contrast macrobiotic

> practice emphasizes the two food groups--grains and

> vegetables--that have

> the least pronounced yin and yang qualities, making

> it easier to achieve a

> more balanced condition within the natural order of

> life. Living within the

> natural order means eating only what is necessary

> for one's condition and

> desires, and learning to adjust in a peaceful way to

> life's changes.

> Learning the effects of different foods allows one

> to consciously counteract

> other influences and maintain a healthy

> dynamically-balanced state. The

> resulting freedom from fear and sense of control are

> two of the most

> important benefits of a macrobiotic practice.

>

> The conventional nutritional approach holds that

> each individual needs

> certain amounts of proteins, fats, carbohydrates,

> vitamins, and minerals

> each day, based on a statistical average of

> everybody's needs. This makes

> the recommended daily allowances easy to comprehend,

> but does not allow for

> the uniqueness of each individual's changing needs.

> It eventually leads to

> stagnant, unfree thinking. The macrobiotic approach

> maintains that what

> works for one person will not necessarily work for

> another, and that what

> works one day may not work the next. Therefore, the

> macrobiotic approach

> amounts to determining the foods that are best

> suited to each person based

> on her or his current condition and what she or he

> wants to become. In other

> words, a macrobiotic approach requires a change in

> thinking from a static

> view of life to a dynamic and flexible one. This

> leads to real freedom. The

> first and most important step is to change from a

> diet based on meat and

> sugar to one based on grains and vegetables.

>

> Very few people can make such a radical shift

> overnight. Instead, most

> people learn macrobiotics in stages...

>

> To order this or other books on macrobiotics, call

> the George Ohsawa

> Macrobiotic Foundation, (800) 232-2372 or (530)

> 566-9765,

> www.gomf.macrobiotic.net

>

>

>

>

>

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