Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Dear everyone, The notion that enlightenment is purely imaginary,is not true at all;if it occurs it intuitive manner know that there is " no further,higher or deeper " .The ego is utterly renounced;however if turiyatita occurs,there are still phases,but it is all recognized to be non-binding in itself.Read some books of Adi Da. As a child, some people told my mother that i was to become a buddha, and along the course of childhood there where spontaneous yogic proccesses, that occured frequently[such as knowing what people are thinking or feeling, for example] When about 16, during meditation,suddenly there occured Jnana Samadhi [As confessed and described by the venerable Ramana Maharshi],this initiated spontaneously the " seventh stage - open eyes " -Samadhi;my sadhana at that time whas effortless meditation[without expectations],at the beginning and ending of a ninjutsu lesson.I am now 20 years young. Note: only afterwards this all, i began to examine " spiritual literature " Blessings to all, Thomas Ossel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 devi: hi, and congradulation, and let me suggest that now you read meher baba's works...enlightenement, according to him happens in imagination as does everything else...if you want to be a teacher and have people believe your words you have to always speak the truth..smiles....by the way, i have insider information that adi da has read thoroughly meher baba and imitates him,,a few years ago he asked one of his secretaries to by some *pink* clothes like baba used to wear...by the way, there are tens of thousands of people on the planet having the same expereinces that your are. smiles....*start with God Speaks* then read the discourses,,*just a suggestion* > Dear everyone, > > The notion that enlightenment is purely imaginary,is not true at > all;if it occurs it intuitive manner know that there is " no > further,higher or deeper " .The ego is utterly renounced;however if > turiyatita occurs,there are still phases,but it is all recognized to > be non-binding in itself.Read some books of Adi Da. > > As a child, some people told my mother that i was to become a buddha, > and along the course of childhood there where spontaneous yogic > proccesses, that occured frequently[such as knowing what people are > thinking or feeling, for example] > > When about 16, during meditation,suddenly there occured Jnana Samadhi > [As confessed and described by the venerable Ramana Maharshi],this > initiated spontaneously the " seventh stage - open eyes " -Samadhi;my > sadhana at that time whas effortless meditation[without > expectations],at the beginning and ending of a ninjutsu lesson.I am > now 20 years young. > > Note: only afterwards this all, i began to examine " spiritual > literature " > > Blessings to all, > Thomas Ossel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Realization , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > devi: hi, and congradulation, and let me suggest that now you read > meher baba's works...enlightenement, according to him happens in > imagination as does everything else...if you want to be a teacher and > have people believe your words you have to always speak the > truth..smiles....by the way, i have insider information that adi da > has read thoroughly meher baba and imitates him,,a few years ago he > asked one of his secretaries to by some *pink* clothes like baba used > to wear...by the way, there are tens of thousands of people on the > planet having the same expereinces that your are. > > smiles....*start with God Speaks* then read the discourses,,*just a > suggestion* > > > > > Dear everyone, > > > > The notion that enlightenment is purely imaginary,is not true at > > all;if it occurs it intuitive manner know that there is " no > > further,higher or deeper " .The ego is utterly renounced;however if > > turiyatita occurs,there are still phases,but it is all recognized > to > > be non-binding in itself.Read some books of Adi Da. > > > > As a child, some people told my mother that i was to become a > buddha, > > and along the course of childhood there where spontaneous yogic > > proccesses, that occured frequently[such as knowing what people are > > thinking or feeling, for example] > > > > When about 16, during meditation,suddenly there occured Jnana > Samadhi > > [As confessed and described by the venerable Ramana Maharshi],this > > initiated spontaneously the " seventh stage - open eyes " -Samadhi;my > > sadhana at that time whas effortless meditation[without > > expectations],at the beginning and ending of a ninjutsu lesson.I am > > now 20 years young. > > > > Note: only afterwards this all, i began to examine " spiritual > > literature " > > > > Blessings to all, > > Thomas Ossel oh my god!!!! and the ambulance is circling around Santa Rosa Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 dear group..i'd like some people to understand that karta/era has an unhealthy negative obsession with me.. karta, i suggest that you don't read my post, *no one*, not one person, likes your behavior towards me, or condons it.. so have some consideration ..a healthy regard for *them*...my approach after 10 months of her abuse is to ignore her...this is my first and last mention of karta/era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 meher baba on God-realzition: The happiness of God-realzition is the Goal of all creation. The real happiness which comes through realizing God is worth all physical and mental sufferings in the universe. Then all suffering is as if it were not. The happiness of God-realzition is self-sustained, eternally fresh and unfailing, boundless and indescrible and it is for this happiness that the world has spring into existence " he also says *don't worry, be happy* meher baba says that some people are conscious of the gross, some are conscious of the subtle and some are conscious of the Self or God... he also says that to be only of the gross body and gross world is what causes the problems in your life..to be only identified with the that..once your identified with your Self that is Self-realiztion.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Dear Devi, Negative personal statements are not allowed in this forum. In other words, it is against the rules to say negative things about other members of this group. For example, the following statement is not allowed: > i'd like some people to understand that karta/era has an > unhealthy negative obsession with me.. Anyone who makes negative personal statements here, after a warning, will be placed on moderation (meaning that in the future, their messages will not appear here until I've had a chance to review them). If you think that Karta or anyone else has violated this rule here with respect to yourself, please send me an email and tell me. I didn't see anything wrong with Karta's previous reply to you, but maybe that's because I didn't understand it. Best wishes, Rob - " devianandi " <devi <Realization > Monday, October 06, 2003 1:38 PM Re: Divine Enlightenment/Sahaj Samadhi > dear group..i'd like some people to understand that karta/era has an > unhealthy negative obsession with me.. > > karta, i suggest that you don't read my post, *no one*, not one > person, likes your behavior towards me, or condons it.. so have some > consideration ..a healthy regard for *them*...my approach after 10 > months of her abuse is to ignore her...this is my first and last > mention of karta/era > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 > Dear Devi, > > Negative personal statements are not allowed in this > forum. In other words, it is against the rules to say > negative things about other members of this group. > > For example, the following statement is not allowed: > > > i'd like some people to understand that karta/era has an > > unhealthy negative obsession with me.. > > Anyone who makes negative personal statements here, > after a warning, will be placed on moderation (meaning > that in the future, their messages will not appear here > until I've had a chance to review them). > > If you think that Karta or anyone else has violated this > rule here with respect to yourself, please send me an > email and tell me. > > I didn't see anything wrong with Karta's previous reply > to you, but maybe that's because I didn't understand > it. > > Best wishes, > > Rob devi: please accept my apologies. smiles > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Hi Devi, > devi: please accept my apologies. smiles Of course. No problem. Smiles. Best wishes, Rob - " devianandi " <devi <Realization > Monday, October 06, 2003 6:02 PM Re: Divine Enlightenment/Sahaj Samadhi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Dear Thomas: I need living role models. What's your life like? Do you have any anger? Do you get excited when gazing at the opposite gender or same gender? Do you react to external phenomena? Is there something you have that you dont want or something you want that you dont have? This is not a personal attack, just want to clear up confusion about the "enlightened ones". What is it in you that has a need to tell everyone that you are enlightened? Thanks in advance for your reply when you visit this group. Love, Alton Dear everyone,The notion that enlightenment is purely imaginary,is not true at all;if it occurs it intuitive manner know that there is "no further,higher or deeper".The ego is utterly renounced;however if turiyatita occurs,there are still phases,but it is all recognized to be non-binding in itself.Read some books of Adi Da.As a child, some people told my mother that i was to become a buddha, and along the course of childhood there where spontaneous yogic proccesses, that occured frequently[such as knowing what people are thinking or feeling, for example]When about 16, during meditation,suddenly there occured Jnana Samadhi[As confessed and described by the venerable Ramana Maharshi],this initiated spontaneously the "seventh stage - open eyes"-Samadhi;my sadhana at that time whas effortless meditation[without expectations],at the beginning and ending of a ninjutsu lesson.I am now 20 years young.Note: only afterwards this all, i began to examine "spiritual literature"Blessings to all,Thomas Ossel..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Realization , " TRADER-IN-THE-LIGHT " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > Dear Thomas: > I need living role models. What's your life like? Do you have any anger? Do you get excited when gazing at the opposite gender or same gender? Do you react to external phenomena? > Is there something you have that you dont want or something you want that you dont have? > > This is not a personal attack, just want to clear up confusion about the " enlightened ones " . What is it in you that has a need to tell everyone that you are enlightened? > Thanks in advance for your reply when you visit this group. > Love, > Alton > > > Hi Alton, My life is relaxed and peacefull;i work and study, so quite normal. Anger is extinguished, but i do get irritated sometimes, if irritation occurs it is only of very short notice and it tends to very subtle[it is often not noticed by others];it is also recognized [intuitively] to be only a manifestation of being. Interest in sexuality is quite low, but not extinct[some relations find it strange if they discover that i am not following my penis]. Reaction to the world still continues, but different, it is very open and i do not feel the need to interfere with everything. As a result of realization,the filters are transfigured in the process,so that there is no defense to negative feelings,altough one isn't consumed by it.Since this forum for experiences etc. in spirituality,why not confessing realization or enlightenment? I hope i answered it to satisfaction. Love, Thomas Ossel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 > > > > Dear Thomas: > > I need living role models. What's your life like? Do you have any > anger? Do you get excited when gazing at the opposite gender or same > gender? Do you react to external phenomena? > > Is there something you have that you dont want or something you > want that you dont have? > > > > This is not a personal attack, just want to clear up confusion > about the " enlightened ones " . What is it in you that has a need to > tell everyone that you are enlightened? > > Thanks in advance for your reply when you visit this group. > > Love, > > Alton > > > > > > Hi Alton, > My life is relaxed and peacefull;i work and study, so quite normal. > Anger is extinguished, but i do get irritated sometimes, if > irritation occurs it is only of very short notice and it tends to > very subtle[it is often not noticed by others];it is also recognized > [intuitively] to be only a manifestation of being. > Interest in sexuality is quite low, but not extinct[some relations > find it strange if they discover that i am not following my penis]. > Reaction to the world still continues, but different, it is very open > and i do not feel the need to interfere with everything. > As a result of realization,the filters are transfigured in the > process,so that there is no defense to negative feelings,altough one > isn't consumed by it.Since this forum for experiences etc. in > spirituality,why not confessing realization or enlightenment? > > I hope i answered it to satisfaction. > > Love, Thomas Ossel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Dear Thomas: I thank you for quite an honest reply to my queries, but I still wonder why anyone who is enlightened would want to broadcast it on the net? Is enlightenment an object in consciousness? TIA. Aloha, Alton aka Sage SSWRealization , "TRADER-IN-THE-LIGHT" <unbound@h...> wrote:> > Dear Thomas:> I need living role models. What's your life like? Do you have any anger? Do you get excited when gazing at the opposite gender or same gender? Do you react to external phenomena? > Is there something you have that you dont want or something you want that you dont have?> > This is not a personal attack, just want to clear up confusion about the "enlightened ones". What is it in you that has a need to tell everyone that you are enlightened?> Thanks in advance for your reply when you visit this group.> Love,> Alton> > > Hi Alton,My life is relaxed and peacefull;i work and study, so quite normal.Anger is extinguished, but i do get irritated sometimes, if irritation occurs it is only of very short notice and it tends to very subtle[it is often not noticed by others];it is also recognized[intuitively] to be only a manifestation of being.Interest in sexuality is quite low, but not extinct[some relations find it strange if they discover that i am not following my penis].Reaction to the world still continues, but different, it is very open and i do not feel the need to interfere with everything.As a result of realization,the filters are transfigured in the process,so that there is no defense to negative feelings,altough one isn't consumed by it.Since this forum for experiences etc. in spirituality,why not confessing realization or enlightenment?I hope i answered it to satisfaction.Love, Thomas Ossel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Realization , " Thomas Ossel " <dirkbroeder@h...> wrote: > Realization , " TRADER-IN-THE-LIGHT " > <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Thomas: > > I need living role models. What's your life like? Do you have any > anger? Do you get excited when gazing at the opposite gender or same > gender? Do you react to external phenomena? > > Is there something you have that you dont want or something you > want that you dont have? > > > > This is not a personal attack, just want to clear up confusion > about the " enlightened ones " . What is it in you that has a need to > tell everyone that you are enlightened? > > Thanks in advance for your reply when you visit this group. > > Love, > > Alton > > > > > > Hi Alton, > My life is relaxed and peacefull;i work and study, so quite normal. > Anger is extinguished, but i do get irritated sometimes, if > irritation occurs it is only of very short notice and it tends to > very subtle[it is often not noticed by others];it is also recognized > [intuitively] to be only a manifestation of being. > Interest in sexuality is quite low, but not extinct[some relations > find it strange if they discover that i am not following my penis]. > Reaction to the world still continues, but different, it is very open > and i do not feel the need to interfere with everything. > As a result of realization,the filters are transfigured in the > process,so that there is no defense to negative feelings,altough one > isn't consumed by it.Since this forum for experiences etc. in > spirituality,why not confessing realization or enlightenment? > > I hope i answered it to satisfaction. > > Love, Thomas Ossel You know, you sound exactly like me. I must be enlightened already! Wow thanks! Tanya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Realization , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Thomas: > > > I need living role models. What's your life like? Do you have > any > > anger? Do you get excited when gazing at the opposite gender or > same > > gender? Do you react to external phenomena? > > > Is there something you have that you dont want or something you > > want that you dont have? > > > > > > This is not a personal attack, just want to clear up confusion > > about the " enlightened ones " . What is it in you that has a need to > > tell everyone that you are enlightened? > > > Thanks in advance for your reply when you visit this group. > > > Love, > > > Alton > > > > > > > > > Hi Alton, > > My life is relaxed and peacefull;i work and study, so quite normal. > > Anger is extinguished, but i do get irritated sometimes, if > > irritation occurs it is only of very short notice and it tends to > > very subtle[it is often not noticed by others];it is also recognized > > [intuitively] to be only a manifestation of being. > > Interest in sexuality is quite low, but not extinct[some relations > > find it strange if they discover that i am not following my penis]. > > Reaction to the world still continues, but different, it is very > open > > and i do not feel the need to interfere with everything. > > As a result of realization,the filters are transfigured in the > > process,so that there is no defense to negative feelings,altough > one > > isn't consumed by it.Since this forum for experiences etc. in > > spirituality,why not confessing realization or enlightenment? > > > > I hope i answered it to satisfaction. > > > > Love, Thomas Ossel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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