Ramana The heart is the Self #6

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D: But I have heard it said by a saint that his spiritual experience

is felt at the place between the eyebrows.

 

M: As I said previously, that is the ultimate and perfect

Realization which transcends subject-object relation. When that is

achieved, it does not matter were the spiritual experience is felt.

 

D: But the question is which is the correct view of the two, namely,

(1) that the center of spiritual experience is the place between the

eyebrows, (2) that it is the Heart.

 

M: For purposes of practice you may concentrate between the

eyebrows. it would then be bhavana or imaginative contemplation of

the mind; whereas the supreme state of anubhava or Realization, with

which you become wholly identified and in which your individuality

is completely dissolved, transcends the mind. Then there can be no

objectified center to be experienced by you as a subject distinct

and separate for it.

 

D: I would like to put my question in slightly different words. Can

the place between the eyebrows be said to be the seat of the Self?

 

M: You accept that the Self is the ultimate source of consciousness

and that it subsists equally during all the three states of the

mind. But see what happens when a person in meditation is overcome

by sleep. As the first symptom of sleep his head begins to nod,

which however could not happen if the Self were situated between the

eyebrows or at any other place in the head.

 

If during sleep the experience of the Self is not felt between the

eyebrows, that center cannot be called its seat without implying

that the Self often forsakes its own place, which is absurd.

 

The fact is the sadhaka may have his experience at any center or

chakra on which the concentrates his mind. But for that reason that

particular place of his experience does not become ipso facto the

seat of the Self.

 

to be continued

 

The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi

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The dead will bury their dead with

many fitting eulogies, some going on

for centuries.

 

But all of it passes.

 

All of it.

 

Get used to it!

 

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Realization , " alton slater "

<lostnfoundation> wrote:

> D: But I have heard it said by a saint that his spiritual

experience

> is felt at the place between the eyebrows.

>

> M: As I said previously, that is the ultimate and perfect

> Realization which transcends subject-object relation. When that is

> achieved, it does not matter were the spiritual experience is felt.

>

> D: But the question is which is the correct view of the two,

namely,

> (1) that the center of spiritual experience is the place between

the

> eyebrows, (2) that it is the Heart.

>

> M: For purposes of practice you may concentrate between the

> eyebrows. it would then be bhavana or imaginative contemplation of

> the mind; whereas the supreme state of anubhava or Realization,

with

> which you become wholly identified and in which your individuality

> is completely dissolved, transcends the mind. Then there can be no

> objectified center to be experienced by you as a subject distinct

> and separate for it.

>

> D: I would like to put my question in slightly different words. Can

> the place between the eyebrows be said to be the seat of the Self?

>

> M: You accept that the Self is the ultimate source of consciousness

> and that it subsists equally during all the three states of the

> mind. But see what happens when a person in meditation is overcome

> by sleep. As the first symptom of sleep his head begins to nod,

> which however could not happen if the Self were situated between

the

> eyebrows or at any other place in the head.

>

> If during sleep the experience of the Self is not felt between the

> eyebrows, that center cannot be called its seat without implying

> that the Self often forsakes its own place, which is absurd.

>

> The fact is the sadhaka may have his experience at any center or

> chakra on which the concentrates his mind. But for that reason that

> particular place of his experience does not become ipso facto the

> seat of the Self.

>

> to be continued

>

> The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi