Attn Dan..SS/ dissolution of self

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> > SS: Can one become clear just by believing what Dan posits? Or

> does

> one have to do the work necessary to have the waters of the mind

be

> still? If the " clearing out " work is completed by training and

> dedication, and surrender brings about the transformation

explosion,

> then one's non-dual image is holistic.

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> > Love,

> > SS

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> Dan: You misunderstand, SS.

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> " You " are the attempt to anchor in belief.

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> Ending self is the ending of any attempt to anchor in a belief.

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> The eightfold path is pathless, once it is clear that

> in the middle of the middle way, there can't be

> established someone to walk a path.

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> SS: What makes that happen?

 

Hi Alton SS,

 

Nothing makes it happen.

 

There is nothing outside of this to make

something happen to this, for this, or in this.

 

You could say this is the limit past which subject/object

thinking, cause and effect thinking, cannot be carried.

 

There is nothing inside of this, for something to

be happening to.

 

 

ss: Gosh Dan I train for skills and seem to attain them.

What I am working for is not Self Realization but mental powers to

separate ss from unwanted reactions, conditioned discriminating, and

a mind that wanders

unpermitted. As those skills increase, it appears that ss's heart

opens so that he

loves all including those who cause unpleasantness in his life.

 

On a theoretical basis regarding the highest levels, I agree with

what you offer, but

since I am apparently stuck on the personal level, I function in the

illusory cause and effect domain.

 

When a client comes to you because he/she had gone to a therapist

who prodded them to recover false memories of parental sexual

satanic abuse, do you tell them what you presented on this post or

do you do some interdictions based on cause and effect? If that is

so, then why even discuss the theoretical separate self that never

was?

 

I seem to have some " undersanding " of what you are pointing at, but

that does not seem to lead to any ephiphany or transformation to

the " Truth " . And when I do wont that just replace on belief with

another?

 

I seem to be pleased with what the universe has offered and when it

takes it away I will accept it graciously.

 

love,

ss.

 

p.s I ask you if you have done any meditation practice or do any

now?

 

 

 

 

It has never not been this, as is.

 

The delusion is that there ever could have been

any separable self to which things are made

to happen, or which makes things happen.

 

Yet, such a self is a necessary convention of subject/

object discrimination and cause and effect cognitions.

 

So, there's no problem with references to a self, even

if such a self never actually had an existence.

 

Cause and effect thinking never really separated things

into causes and effects, has never been more than

a convenient way to discuss things.

 

> SS: Ok Dear Dan: I will listen. How to get rid of that " you " that

> attempts to anchor in belief?

 

That " you " is the attempt to anchor in belief. Trying to

get rid of the attempt, is just another version of the attempt.

 

So, the only thing to do at this point of understanding, is to

be clear on what the attempt is.

 

Essentially, it is an escape from insecurity into the apparent

security of having oneself placed and protected, enhanced

and extended, and having things be the way one wants them to

be.

 

Only when there is clarity about what the attempted escape is

about, and the futility of the attempt, is there transcendence

of subject/object formations of perception, and cause and

effect beliefs (including self as doer, done-to, experiencer,

or object of experience).

 

> And how to end the self? That is where

> I am a bit confused or rather I have other ideas to destroy it. "

> Believe me there can not be too much destruction " You already know

> whose quote that is. That is what I believe and believed most of

> what that sage said before I even read him. A certain amount of

> removal of obstructions can be done by the small self.

 

The more it is believed that a small self did something, or

removed something, the more the delusion is fortified,

that such a self could have ever been located or had

an existence of its own.

 

The ending of the attempt to believe in such a thing, doesn't

mean that one can't converse in day to day exchanges about

people's selves, where they are going, what they are experiencing,

and so on.

 

So, understanding is very private in the sense that no one else

is involved, can't be involved. It is always only between

you and you, with no space involved to traverse.

 

Love,