Attn SS/ dissolution of self

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> ss: Gosh Dan I train for skills and seem to attain them.

 

Golly gee, ss, have fun with your self then.

 

Until you're through with that, and it's through for you.

 

> What I am working for is not Self Realization but mental powers to

> separate ss from unwanted reactions, conditioned discriminating,

and

> a mind that wanders

> unpermitted. As those skills increase, it appears that ss's heart

> opens so that he

> loves all including those who cause unpleasantness in his life.

 

Appears is the key word.

 

And until you're willing to notice disconfirming evidence,

your self confirmation will loop on and on and on.

 

> On a theoretical basis regarding the highest levels, I agree with

> what you offer,

 

It's not a level, merely the stark truth *that is* ...

 

but

> since I am apparently stuck on the personal level, I function in

the

> illusory cause and effect domain.

 

Yes, quite so. That's how it goes.

 

> When a client comes to you because he/she had gone to a therapist

> who prodded them to recover false memories of parental sexual

> satanic abuse, do you tell them what you presented on this post or

> do you do some interdictions based on cause and effect? If that is

> so, then why even discuss the theoretical separate self that never

> was?

 

I speak what I have to say in the moment of saying what

is to be said.

 

It's that simple.

 

So, I'm speaking to you and the whomever is reading this list,

for what I have to say to this list.

 

Of course, if speaking with someone in a different context,

in a different moment, what is said will be different.

 

Breaking through the self and the environment construed by and

for self, is rare. Highly unusual. It shatters the sense of

having a continuity of center as an individual, as a person.

 

Such breakthrough is only for the moment in which readiness,

openness, is *such.*

 

For someone dealing with psychological pain of various sorts,

although the ways it manifests will vary, essentially the

course is into and through, without being attached and

caught.

 

The one whose readiness is to break the loop of misindentification

is not, in this moment, dealing with psychological pain, nor

memories, nor a personality with ambitions and goals to be

validated and confirmed.

 

Such is not the usual course of day to day strivings which

we call " human life. "

 

And, attaining psychological controls such as the ones you

say you wish to attain seems to validate someone there, who

can establish controls, or skills as you call them.

 

Nothing wrong with doing that, but at the moment of breakthrough,

there will not be a someone there to establish skills, or

gain validation by attaining them.

 

So, if this is clear, one won't invest energy into the

endeavors that perpetuate that loop, but instead will

understand the loop and *its inherent friction* as it

unfolds.

 

That understanding is clarity, is disinvesting in the loop

of self-confirmation.

 

 

> I seem to have some " undersanding " of what you are pointing at, but

> that does not seem to lead to any ephiphany or transformation to

> the " Truth " . And when I do wont that just replace on belief with

> another?

 

Yes, as long as it's a belief.

 

And that's the limitation of words.

 

Words can only give verbalizable constructs.

 

Not the truth which breaks through any attempt at belief,

experience, thought, construction.

 

Its breaking through isn't an intrusion, though.

 

It's just *what is* when there isn't an investment in

attaining something such as knowledge, experience,

being, for someone who wants to know, to experience,

to establish being.

 

Just the timless truth of no division, which has been

given all kinds of names throughout the ages, yet to

which no name ever sticks.

 

> I seem to be pleased with what the universe has offered and when it

> takes it away I will accept it graciously.

 

There never has been anything intervening in *this* which

could ever create any separation, distance, something to

be attained, something to be lost.

 

The illusion of such separation,

and the delusions of belief that attach,

aren't a problem, except with regard

to the attempt to have something of one's

own, such as a location, an establishment

of self, a continuity of form.

 

Love,

Dan