Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 If no one responds to this offering, then shall we pronounce this group moribund? Love, Alton Realization , " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation> wrote: > A Ramana snip from Self Inquiry Theory.. > > " Although the concept of 'I'-ness or 'I am'-ness is by usage known > as aham-vritti it is not really a vritti [modification] like other > vrittis of the mind. Because unlike the other vrittis which have no > essential interrelation, the aham-vritti is equally and essentially > related to each and every vritti of the mind. Without the aham- vritti > there can be no other vritti, but the aham-vritti can subsist by > itself > without depending on any other vritti of the mind. > The aham-vritti is therefore fundamentally different from other > vrittis. " > > The other vrittis may be related to each other. For example, you > were abused as a child many times with a lot of different > experiences. The repressed memories are stored in the subconscious > and bubble up into consciousness as thoughts or mental states. One > thought on that subject may therefore be connected to all other > thoughts that may arise from those earlier similar experiences. The > charge and stress that ensues when one thought bubbles into > consciousness is increased by all the other similar experiences. > Therefore those thoughts have an essential relationship. > > Another example. Someone calls you stupid for the first time. You > react somewhat but not significantly. Then people continue to call > you stupid and each time they do there is more stress experienced. > The aggregate of those thoughts compounds the degrees of the > reactions. > Now when someone calls you stupid you may get so angry that you > become violent. You then take up meditation and those thoughts again > surface into consciousness and because there are so many similar > incidents each thought has so much debilitating interconnected > charge. Again we must conclude that those thoughts have an > essential relationship. > > Namaste, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 Either way, I think we can safely say the group is moribund. - " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation <Realization > Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:34 PM Ramana was wrong.. Re: Self Inquiry Theory > If no one responds to this offering, then shall we pronounce this > group moribund? > > Love, > Alton > > > Realization , " Master of Change " > <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > A Ramana snip from Self Inquiry Theory.. > > > > " Although the concept of 'I'-ness or 'I am'-ness is by usage known > > as aham-vritti it is not really a vritti [modification] like other > > vrittis of the mind. Because unlike the other vrittis which have no > > essential interrelation, the aham-vritti is equally and essentially > > related to each and every vritti of the mind. Without the aham- > vritti > > there can be no other vritti, but the aham-vritti can subsist by > > itself > > without depending on any other vritti of the mind. > > The aham-vritti is therefore fundamentally different from other > > vrittis. " > > > > The other vrittis may be related to each other. For example, you > > were abused as a child many times with a lot of different > > experiences. The repressed memories are stored in the > subconscious > > and bubble up into consciousness as thoughts or mental states. > One > > thought on that subject may therefore be connected to all other > > thoughts that may arise from those earlier similar experiences. > The > > charge and stress that ensues when one thought bubbles into > > consciousness is increased by all the other similar experiences. > > Therefore those thoughts have an essential relationship. > > > > Another example. Someone calls you stupid for the first time. You > > react somewhat but not significantly. Then people continue to call > > you stupid and each time they do there is more stress experienced. > > The aggregate of those thoughts compounds the degrees of the > > reactions. > > Now when someone calls you stupid you may get so angry that you > > become violent. You then take up meditation and those thoughts > again > > surface into consciousness and because there are so many similar > > incidents each thought has so much debilitating interconnected > > charge. Again we must conclude that those thoughts have an > > essential relationship. > > > > Namaste, > > Alton > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 You are arguing against a strawman here, Alton. He didn't say that other thoughts cannot be related to each other. He said that the I-thought is the only thought that is necessary for other thoughts to exist. - " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation <Realization > Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:32 PM Ramana was wrong.. Re: Self Inquiry Theory > A Ramana snip from Self Inquiry Theory.. > > " Although the concept of 'I'-ness or 'I am'-ness is by usage known > as aham-vritti it is not really a vritti [modification] like other > vrittis of the mind. Because unlike the other vrittis which have no > essential interrelation, the aham-vritti is equally and essentially > related to each and every vritti of the mind. Without the aham-vritti > there can be no other vritti, but the aham-vritti can subsist by > itself > without depending on any other vritti of the mind. > The aham-vritti is therefore fundamentally different from other > vrittis. " > > The other vrittis may be related to each other. For example, you > were abused as a child many times with a lot of different > experiences. The repressed memories are stored in the subconscious > and bubble up into consciousness as thoughts or mental states. One > thought on that subject may therefore be connected to all other > thoughts that may arise from those earlier similar experiences. The > charge and stress that ensues when one thought bubbles into > consciousness is increased by all the other similar experiences. > Therefore those thoughts have an essential relationship. > > Another example. Someone calls you stupid for the first time. You > react somewhat but not significantly. Then people continue to call > you stupid and each time they do there is more stress experienced. > The aggregate of those thoughts compounds the degrees of the > reactions. > Now when someone calls you stupid you may get so angry that you > become violent. You then take up meditation and those thoughts again > surface into consciousness and because there are so many similar > incidents each thought has so much debilitating interconnected > charge. Again we must conclude that those thoughts have an > essential relationship. > > Namaste, > Alton > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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