Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Rob: " It doesn't bother me at all that this group died out. Most of the talk that goes on in these mail groups seems like bs to me. " Alton: Yes one has to conclude that after years on the groups. Some people like the diagolues probably to ease their lonliness or abhorance for Self Inquiry. I have that group because I got tired of spiritual folks getting pissed off at my views and being banned from so many. Now no one can ban me and I like that way to study. Also I have fun posting various weird type photos. Most group are morgue like and if you have a sense of humor you become personna non grata non grata, Alton Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > It doesn't bother me at all that this group died out. Most > of the talk that goes on in these mail groups seems like bs > to me. > > About once a week, somebody writes to the realization.org > website with a question about something specific, and I enjoy > answering those. > > - > " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation> > <Realization > > Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:01 PM > Ramana was wrong.. Re: Self Inquiry Theory > > > > > > > > Dear Rob; > > The group I moderate is almost that way too. So you are high and > > supurbly knowledgeable about spirituality and I grovel in the dirt > > with weird interpretations, but still our groups a similar. > > Anyway I wont give up Exclusive because when I post something I read > > it many times and continue my studies. > > > > Love, > > Alton > > > > Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > > > Either way, I think we can safely say the group is moribund. > > > > > > - > > > " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation> > > > <Realization > > > > Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:34 PM > > > Ramana was wrong.. Re: Self Inquiry Theory > > > > > > > > > > If no one responds to this offering, then shall we pronounce > > this > > > > group moribund? > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Alton > > > > > > > > > > > > Realization , " Master of Change " > > > > <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > > > > A Ramana snip from Self Inquiry Theory.. > > > > > > > > > > " Although the concept of 'I'-ness or 'I am'-ness is by usage > > known > > > > > as aham-vritti it is not really a vritti [modification] like > > other > > > > > vrittis of the mind. Because unlike the other vrittis which > > have no > > > > > essential interrelation, the aham-vritti is equally and > > essentially > > > > > related to each and every vritti of the mind. Without the aham- > > > > vritti > > > > > there can be no other vritti, but the aham-vritti can subsist > > by > > > > > itself > > > > > without depending on any other vritti of the mind. > > > > > The aham-vritti is therefore fundamentally different from > > other > > > > > vrittis. " > > > > > > > > > > The other vrittis may be related to each other. For example, > > you > > > > > were abused as a child many times with a lot of different > > > > > experiences. The repressed memories are stored in the > > > > subconscious > > > > > and bubble up into consciousness as thoughts or mental > > states. > > > > One > > > > > thought on that subject may therefore be connected to all > > other > > > > > thoughts that may arise from those earlier similar > > experiences. > > > > The > > > > > charge and stress that ensues when one thought bubbles into > > > > > consciousness is increased by all the other similar > > experiences. > > > > > Therefore those thoughts have an essential relationship. > > > > > > > > > > Another example. Someone calls you stupid for the first time. > > You > > > > > react somewhat but not significantly. Then people continue to > > call > > > > > you stupid and each time they do there is more stress > > experienced. > > > > > The aggregate of those thoughts compounds the degrees of the > > > > > reactions. > > > > > Now when someone calls you stupid you may get so angry that > > you > > > > > become violent. You then take up meditation and those thoughts > > > > again > > > > > surface into consciousness and because there are so many > > similar > > > > > incidents each thought has so much debilitating > > interconnected > > > > > charge. Again we must conclude that those thoughts have an > > > > > essential relationship. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > Alton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > > > > > > > Email addresses: > > > > Post message: Realization > > > > Un: Realization- > > > > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > > > > > > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > > > > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > > > > http://www.realization.org > > > > ................................................ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 > Some people like the diagolues probably to ease their lonliness or > abhorance for Self Inquiry. Some people come with questions that have something to do with spirituality, but for the most part, I think people's motives have very little to do with the subject matter. I think most people come to these groups in search of friends, or to impress others, or for the joy of giving advice and feeling self-important -- exactly the same reasons why people participate in mail groups about knitting or food or anything else. Well I take that back. I used to read a mail group for parents of children who have a particular serious disease, and there was no bullshit there at all. People were simply trading info and encouraging each other in a kind way. Very different from the atmosphere in the " spiritual " groups. The thing that irritates me most about these groups is what happens when somebody asks a genuine question. Usually the replies will not answer the question, but instead will offer advice that the questioner didn't ask for. I find this disrespectful. The people who answer obviously don't take time to read the question. Well, that's another thing I've learned from these groups. Most people don't read very carefully. > Most group are morgue like and if > you have a sense of humor you become personna non grata Well, it's religion. A big part of the religious mentality is cultivating a somber emotional state. Maybe it's like blowing up a big balloon full of hot air, and if somebody comes along and laughs, the balloon bursts. Cheers buddy, Rob - " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation <Realization > Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:44 AM Ramana was wrong.. Re: Self Inquiry Theory > > Rob: " It doesn't bother me at all that this group died out. Most > of the talk that goes on in these mail groups seems like bs > to me. " > > Alton: Yes one has to conclude that after years on the groups. > Some people like the diagolues probably to ease their lonliness or > abhorance for Self Inquiry. > C> Now no one can ban me and I like that way to study. Also I have fun > posting various weird type photos. Most group are morgue like and if > you have a sense of humor you become personna non grata > > non grata, > Alton > > > > Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > > It doesn't bother me at all that this group died out. Most > > of the talk that goes on in these mail groups seems like bs > > to me. > > > > About once a week, somebody writes to the realization.org > > website with a question about something specific, and I enjoy > > answering those. > > > > - > > " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation> > > <Realization > > > Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:01 PM > > Ramana was wrong.. Re: Self Inquiry Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rob; > > > The group I moderate is almost that way too. So you are high and > > > supurbly knowledgeable about spirituality and I grovel in the > dirt > > > with weird interpretations, but still our groups a similar. > > > Anyway I wont give up Exclusive because when I post something I > read > > > it many times and continue my studies. > > > > > > Love, > > > Alton > > > > > > Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> > wrote: > > > > Either way, I think we can safely say the group is > moribund. > > > > > > > > - > > > > " Master of Change " <lostnfoundation> > > > > <Realization > > > > > Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:34 PM > > > > Ramana was wrong.. Re: Self Inquiry > Theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > If no one responds to this offering, then shall we pronounce > > > this > > > > > group moribund? > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Alton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Realization , " Master of Change " > > > > > <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > > > > > A Ramana snip from Self Inquiry Theory.. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Although the concept of 'I'-ness or 'I am'-ness is by > usage > > > known > > > > > > as aham-vritti it is not really a vritti [modification] > like > > > other > > > > > > vrittis of the mind. Because unlike the other vrittis > which > > > have no > > > > > > essential interrelation, the aham-vritti is equally and > > > essentially > > > > > > related to each and every vritti of the mind. Without the > aham- > > > > > vritti > > > > > > there can be no other vritti, but the aham-vritti can > subsist > > > by > > > > > > itself > > > > > > without depending on any other vritti of the mind. > > > > > > The aham-vritti is therefore fundamentally different from > > > other > > > > > > vrittis. " > > > > > > > > > > > > The other vrittis may be related to each other. For > example, > > > you > > > > > > were abused as a child many times with a lot of different > > > > > > experiences. The repressed memories are stored in the > > > > > subconscious > > > > > > and bubble up into consciousness as thoughts or mental > > > states. > > > > > One > > > > > > thought on that subject may therefore be connected to all > > > other > > > > > > thoughts that may arise from those earlier similar > > > experiences. > > > > > The > > > > > > charge and stress that ensues when one thought bubbles > into > > > > > > consciousness is increased by all the other similar > > > experiences. > > > > > > Therefore those thoughts have an essential relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example. Someone calls you stupid for the first > time. > > > You > > > > > > react somewhat but not significantly. Then people continue > to > > > call > > > > > > you stupid and each time they do there is more stress > > > experienced. > > > > > > The aggregate of those thoughts compounds the degrees of > the > > > > > > reactions. > > > > > > Now when someone calls you stupid you may get so angry > that > > > you > > > > > > become violent. You then take up meditation and those > thoughts > > > > > again > > > > > > surface into consciousness and because there are so many > > > similar > > > > > > incidents each thought has so much debilitating > > > interconnected > > > > > > charge. Again we must conclude that those thoughts have > an > > > > > > essential relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Alton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > > > > > > > > > Email addresses: > > > > > Post message: Realization > > > > > Un: Realization- > > > > > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > > > > > > > > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > > > > > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > > > > > http://www.realization.org > > > > > ................................................ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Hi Alton i usually dont responde to the messages from my , just usually casually browse. because there is alot of serious philosophy goin on at the advaitin group, which theyre usually talkin about the same thin but in different ways. and well i dont know what goes on at this one. i really liked your first one about takin a pill or somethin so that we could attain nirvana instantly. very funny. and convincing. but anyways the title of this post caught my eye immediatly. Ramana wrong.? well im still not sure of which Ramana your talking about but i want to address what you said about the aham vritti cuz im not exactly sure what your implying. i understood your explanation of how the aham vritti is the first of its kind (vritti), but not sure what you meant by Ramana was wrong because of this?? warmest regards, tyroneMaster of Change <lostnfoundation wrote: A Ramana snip from Self Inquiry Theory.."Although the concept of 'I'-ness or 'I am'-ness is by usage knownas aham-vritti it is not really a vritti [modification] like othervrittis of the mind. Because unlike the other vrittis which have noessential interrelation, the aham-vritti is equally and essentiallyrelated to each and every vritti of the mind. Without the aham-vrittithere can be no other vritti, but the aham-vritti can subsist by itselfwithout depending on any other vritti of the mind.The aham-vritti is therefore fundamentally different from other vrittis."The other vrittis may be related to each other. For example, you were abused as a child many times with a lot of different experiences. The repressed memories are stored in the subconscious and bubble up into consciousness as thoughts or mental states. One thought on that subject may therefore be connected to all other thoughts that may arise from those earlier similar experiences. The charge and stress that ensues when one thought bubbles into consciousness is increased by all the other similar experiences. Therefore those thoughts have an essential relationship.Another example. Someone calls you stupid for the first time. You react somewhat but not significantly. Then people continue to call you stupid and each time they do there is more stress experienced. The aggregate of those thoughts compounds the degrees of the reactions.Now when someone calls you stupid you may get so angry that you become violent. You then take up meditation and those thoughts again surface into consciousness and because there are so many similar incidents each thought has so much debilitating interconnected charge. Again we must conclude that those thoughts have an essential relationship.Namaste,Alton..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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