Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Nothing I am, and therefore nothing I am not ... so beyond " being " or " I " -- beyond God, self, or nothingness ... -- beyond any concept about nothing, beyond any concept of something to conceive or someone to be conceived by ... beyond any concept of having no concepts, beyond evaluating or being evaluated, beyond being here or now, and never being as if somewhere beyond ... When the origin, ending, and resolution of everything and all possible situations is simultaneous ... it is knowing with nothing to know or be known by -- not even knowing, not even Nothing applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > Nothing I am, and therefore nothing I am not ... > > so beyond " being " or " I " > -- beyond God, self, or nothingness ... > > -- beyond any concept about nothing, > beyond any concept of something to conceive > or someone to be conceived by ... > > beyond any concept of having no concepts, > beyond evaluating or being evaluated, > beyond being here or now, > > and never being as if somewhere beyond ... > > When the origin, ending, and resolution of > everything and all possible situations > is simultaneous ... > > it is knowing with nothing to know or be known by -- > > not even knowing, not even Nothing applies. Namaste Dan, The nearest description I can give even to our illory presences is. 'Somewhere there is a dream, dreaming us'. Ko San Bushmen of Kalahari Desert. No education no writing only hunter gatherers. Even this statement carries with it the inference that the dreamer as a dream is unreal.......ONS.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > The concept 'nothing' is just that: a concept. If you wrap your mind > around this concept, you will realize that it is just a > misconception. There is no such thing as nothing other than as an > idea, or, rather, the 'nothing' is the 'no thing' which embraces > everything. There is no nothing like a void or empty space. Even > empty space would not be nothing. The 'no thing' is undifferentiated > existence, which, when it becomes differentiated gives rise to the > manifested universe. > > /AL ahhhh yes......and there is no such thing as " the unknown " .......... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 <But what is fully present when clouds of delusion lift is not " nothing " .> True, but do we have any words, or generally – experience, to express it. <These folks get together and allow each other to make pronouncements on others minds - usually the dominant personality manages to persuade others to their view and there is an agreement not to challange. This group of folks enjoy their game as do all reality-creators and it works for them.> I see this circle, where I search for the " truth, " but discover that it can get lonely on the journey. So, back to my fellow travelers. I have been through periods of mild depression, which lead to the question of just what it is I am grieving. It is all the stuff I no longer believe; stuff that brought at least some comfort that is now gone forever. Sometimes, the truth comes with pain attached. <One group does seem to somehow clearly know all about the mind of another and make pronouncements and judgments about it and, offer endless " guideance " . I dispute that what they are seeing is any mental phenomena other than their own. I can be wrong about this.> You could be, but I don't believe that you are. Is there any thing that we can see that is not mental phenomena that is not our own? Can we see the void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 Nisargadatta , eliasfardo wrote: > > <But what is fully present when clouds of delusion lift is > not " nothing " .> > > True, but do we have any words, or generally – experience, to > express it. > > <These folks get together and allow each other to make > pronouncements on others minds - usually the dominant personality > manages to persuade others to their view and there is an agreement > not to challange. This group of folks enjoy their game as do all > reality-creators and it works for them.> > > I see this circle, where I search for the " truth, " but > discover that > it can get lonely on the journey. So, back to my fellow travelers. > > I have been through periods of mild depression, which lead to the > question of just what it is I am grieving. It is all the stuff I no > longer believe; stuff that brought at least some comfort that is now > gone forever. Sometimes, the truth comes with pain attached. > > <One group does seem to somehow clearly know all about the mind of > another and make pronouncements and judgments about it and, offer > endless " guideance " . I dispute that what they are seeing is > any mental phenomena other than their own. I can be wrong about > this.> > > You could be, but I don't believe that you are. Is there any > thing > that we can see that is not mental phenomena that is not our own? > Can we see the void? I-s are not designed to see a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Derek Taulman wrote, Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:39 AM Q: Is it not possible to attain the omniscience in which all the events of past, present and future are known to us? A: There is absolutely nothing which can be attained. * * * * * * Greetings to Derek and everyone. I am new to this group. I am curious why you hide behind other names. Is one mask not enough? "There is absolutely nothing which can be attained" has resonance. The reason nothing can be attained, is that there is no one there to attain anything. We are already all of it. Awakening is the realization that there is no one there. Nobody home. There is just the Oneness, playing at being many, the Awareness in which everything arises. I (who?) am abiding with this from Tony Parsons: "Awakening is simply the dropping of seeking. What drops away is the one who is looking for something. Awakening is absolutely, purely and simply the discovery that there's nothing to look for. And therefore out of that not looking, and realizing that this is it, comes love.. I am looking at love; I am looking at the divine expression. That's falling in love.. That's what happens." Love, Light and Blessings, Janet Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release 03/12/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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