Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Here's an article about awareness that seems pretty interesting to me: Enlightenment Clearly Explained By Sufi George The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing at all except the existence of awareness itself. During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind is empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. The key understanding that results from this experience of pure nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. One realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal reality, the permanent core of ourselves. The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. It is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is clear that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and experience is not part of one's being. It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, that experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's experience. In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by eliminating it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, only displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life without content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with all of its concerns and hang-ups. It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one can easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for the remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness so that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a balancing act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. The less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, and the more free and peaceful life becomes. With too much void and too little experience, however, one becomes an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance between void and experience. With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less experience there is, and the less important or consequential experience becomes. -- Reprinted from http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Nope, not EVEN close! Guess again! :-) Judi > > > Here's an article about awareness that seems > pretty interesting to me: > > Enlightenment Clearly Explained > By Sufi George > > The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the > experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing at > all except the existence of awareness itself. > > During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind is > empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality > disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing > anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. > > The key understanding that results from this experience of pure > nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. One > realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal reality, > the permanent core of ourselves. > > The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. It > is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is clear > that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. > > So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream > universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being > alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and > experience is not part of one's being. > > It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, that > experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not > responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's experience. > > In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by eliminating > it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so > attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, only > displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. > > Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life without > content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with all > of its concerns and hang-ups. > > It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the > enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one can > easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. > > Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for the > remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually > influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness so > that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a balancing > act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. The > less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, and > the more free and peaceful life becomes. > > With too much void and too little experience, however, one becomes > an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance between > void and experience. > > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > experience becomes. > > -- Reprinted from > http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 ya too many wordsJudi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: Nope, not EVEN close! Guess again! :-)Judi> > > Here's an article about awareness that seems> pretty interesting to me:> > Enlightenment Clearly Explained> By Sufi George> > The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the > experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing at > all except the existence of awareness itself. > > During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind is > empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality > disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing > anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. > > The key understanding that results from this experience of pure > nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. One > realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal reality, > the permanent core of ourselves. > > The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. It > is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is clear > that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. > > So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream > universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being > alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and > experience is not part of one's being. > > It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, that > experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not > responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's experience. > > In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by eliminating > it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so > attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, only > displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. > > Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life without > content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with all > of its concerns and hang-ups. > > It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the > enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one can > easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. > > Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for the > remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually > influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness so > that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a balancing > act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. The > less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, and > the more free and peaceful life becomes. > > With too much void and too little experience, however, one becomes > an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance between > void and experience. > > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > experience becomes. > > -- Reprinted from > http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html> > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........> > Email addresses:> Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org> > By sending a message to this list, you are giving> permission to have it reproduced as a letter on> http://www.realization.org> ................................................. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 - tyrone martin Realization Saturday, December 25, 2004 3:46 PM Re: Enlightenment Clearly Explained ya too many words ********** Yup.... It comes down to a matter of intelligence, of need. Of seeing thru your own game so that it all falls apart. I guess it just comes down to going around the block so many times until a person says to themselves, now wait just a darn minute here, what am I doing? So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch.And round and round they go! Judi Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: Nope, not EVEN close! Guess again! :-)Judi> > > Here's an article about awareness that seems> pretty interesting to me:> > Enlightenment Clearly Explained> By Sufi George> > The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the > experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing at > all except the existence of awareness itself. > > During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind is > empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality > disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing > anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. > > The key understanding that results from this experience of pure > nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. One > realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal reality, > the permanent core of ourselves. > > The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. It > is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is clear > that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. > > So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream > universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being > alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and > experience is not part of one's being. > > It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, that > experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not > responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's experience. > > In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by eliminating > it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so > attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, only > displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. > > Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life without > content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with all > of its concerns and hang-ups. > > It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the > enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one can > easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. > > Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for the > remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually > influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness so > that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a balancing > act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. The > less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, and > the more free and peaceful life becomes. > > With too much void and too little experience, however, one becomes > an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance between > void and experience. > > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > experience becomes. > > -- Reprinted from > http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html> > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........> > Email addresses:> Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org> > By sending a message to this list, you are giving> permission to have it reproduced as a letter on> http://www.realization.org> ................................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 lol yaaa ma. i search after this nirvana like its a lost treasure 20 miles from here just trying to meditate and chant until all my latent tendencies of the mind (vasanas) are destroyed but awareness and love , sat chit ananda is right here, or the moment before. so what am i doing? where am i going? ...just cutting down the the weeds in the jungle of my mind to make my path clear, but then...what path ...? ah im just as confused as i was when i started this thing, just a lil bit more relaxed now. Namaste tyroneJudi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: - tyrone martin Realization Saturday, December 25, 2004 3:46 PM Re: Enlightenment Clearly Explained ya too many words ********** Yup.... It comes down to a matter of intelligence, of need. Of seeing thru your own game so that it all falls apart. I guess it just comes down to going around the block so many times until a person says to themselves, now wait just a darn minute here, what am I doing? So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch.And round and round they go! Judi Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: Nope, not EVEN close! Guess again! :-)Judi> > > Here's an article about awareness that seems> pretty interesting to me:> > Enlightenment Clearly Explained> By Sufi George> > The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the > experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing at > all except the existence of awareness itself. > > During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind is > empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality > disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing > anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. > > The key understanding that results from this experience of pure > nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. One > realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal reality, > the permanent core of ourselves. > > The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. It > is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except > awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is clear > that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. > > So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream > universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being > alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and > experience is not part of one's being. > > It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, that > experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not > responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's experience. > > In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by eliminating > it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so > attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, only > displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. > > Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life without > content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with all > of its concerns and hang-ups. > > It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the > enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one can > easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. > > Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for the > remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually > influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness so > that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a balancing > act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. The > less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, and > the more free and peaceful life becomes. > > With too much void and too little experience, however, one becomes > an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance between > void and experience. > > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > experience becomes. > > -- Reprinted from > http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html> > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........> > Email addresses:> Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org> > By sending a message to this list, you are giving> permission to have it reproduced as a letter on> http://www.realization.org> ................................................. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Realization , tyrone martin <arunachala_1008> wrote: > lol yaaa ma. i search after this nirvana like its a lost treasure 20 miles from here just trying to meditate and chant until all my latent tendencies of the mind (vasanas) are destroyed but awareness and love , sat chit ananda is right here, or the moment before. so what am i doing? where am i going? ...just cutting down the the weeds in the jungle of my mind to make my path clear, but then...what path ...? ah im just as confused as i was when i started this thing, just a lil bit more relaxed now. Namaste > tyrone ************ Yep, like a dog on a freeway, relaxing in those quiet moments between the speeding cars. :-) Judi > > Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > > > - > tyrone martin > Realization > Saturday, December 25, 2004 3:46 PM > Re: Enlightenment Clearly Explained > > > ya too many words > > ********** > Yup.... > > It comes down to a matter of intelligence, of need. Of seeing thru your own game so that it all falls apart. I guess it just comes down to going around the block so many times until a person says to themselves, now wait just a darn minute here, what am I doing? > > So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch. > > And round and round they go! > > Judi > Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > Nope, not EVEN close! > > Guess again! :-) > > Judi > > > > > > Here's an article about awareness that seems > > pretty interesting to me: > > > > Enlightenment Clearly Explained > > By Sufi George > > > > The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the > > experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing at > > all except the existence of awareness itself. > > > > During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind is > > empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality > > disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing > > anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. > > > > The key understanding that results from this experience of pure > > nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. One > > realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except > > awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal reality, > > the permanent core of ourselves. > > > > The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. It > > is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except > > awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is clear > > that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. > > > > So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream > > universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being > > alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and > > experience is not part of one's being. > > > > It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, that > > experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not > > responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's experience. > > > > In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by eliminating > > it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so > > attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, only > > displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. > > > > Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life without > > content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with all > > of its concerns and hang-ups. > > > > It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the > > enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one can > > easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. > > > > Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for the > > remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually > > influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness so > > that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a balancing > > act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. The > > less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, and > > the more free and peaceful life becomes. > > > > With too much void and too little experience, however, one becomes > > an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance between > > void and experience. > > > > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can > > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a > > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts > > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is > > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > > experience becomes. > > > > -- Reprinted from > > http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > > > Email addresses: > > Post message: Realization > > Un: Realization- > > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > > http://www.realization.org > > ................................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > experience becomes. > I've received this twice so I will respond. I've been on this list for maybe a couple of months, but haven't said anything, mainly because I have no Buddhist background, which seems to be prevalent here. But this what you wrote is not my experience at all. I was in a dream *before* I opened my eyes. I didn't like the dream, especially, but there it was, and I had to learn how to wake up. Now that I am awake, or at least awakening, I'm living life very large and exuberantly and loving it. I find that I exist at a balance point that stretches out to the life I'm living 'in my skin', but it also stretches in another direction - toward the universal connectedness that frankly fuels my current life! I have experienced the interconnectedness that is the very energy that frees me to live exuberantly. I do not understand the void. To me, there is one thing, and it is everything. pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 m, good thought. ... i dont know how to respond cuz i dont need to. take care devi. judirhodes <judirhodes wrote: Realization , tyrone martin <arunachala_1008> wrote:> lol yaaa ma. i search after this nirvana like its a lost treasure 20 miles from here just trying to meditate and chant until all my latent tendencies of the mind (vasanas) are destroyed but awareness and love , sat chit ananda is right here, or the moment before. so what am i doing? where am i going? ...just cutting down the the weeds in the jungle of my mind to make my path clear, but then...what path ...? ah im just as confused as i was when i started this thing, just a lil bit more relaxed now. Namaste > tyrone************Yep, like a dog on a freeway, relaxing in those quiet moments between the speeding cars. :-)Judi> > Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@c...> wrote:> > > > - > tyrone martin > Realization > Saturday, December 25, 2004 3:46 PM> Re: Enlightenment Clearly Explained> > > ya too many words> > **********> Yup....> > It comes down to a matter of intelligence, of need. Of seeing thru your own game so that it all falls apart. I guess it just comes down to going around the block so many times until a person says to themselves, now wait just a darn minute here, what am I doing? > > So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch.> > And round and round they go! > > Judi> > > > > > > > Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > Nope, not EVEN close! > > Guess again! :-)> > Judi> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an article about awareness that seems> > pretty interesting to me:> > > > Enlightenment Clearly Explained> > By Sufi George> > > > The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the > > experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing at > > all except the existence of awareness itself. > > > > During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind is > > empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality > > disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing > > anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. > > > > The key understanding that results from this experience of pure > > nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. One > > realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except > > awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal reality, > > the permanent core of ourselves. > > > > The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. It > > is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except > > awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is clear > > that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. > > > > So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream > > universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being > > alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and > > experience is not part of one's being. > > > > It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, that > > experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not > > responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's experience. > > > > In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by eliminating > > it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so > > attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, only > > displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. > > > > Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life without > > content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with all > > of its concerns and hang-ups. > > > > It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the > > enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one can > > easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. > > > > Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for the > > remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually > > influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness so > > that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a balancing > > act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. The > > less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, and > > the more free and peaceful life becomes. > > > > With too much void and too little experience, however, one becomes > > an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance between > > void and experience. > > > > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that can > > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like a > > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate efforts > > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there is > > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > > experience becomes. > > > > -- Reprinted from > > http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........> > > > Email addresses:> > Post message: Realization > > Un: Realization- > > Our web address: http://www.realization.org> > > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving> > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on> > http://www.realization.org> > ................................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 It seems like J.I. Krishnamurti also got a lot of pain. The Full Monty seems to be painful. When Sri Ramana said to U.G. " I can give it but can you take it " ,he indicated IT comes with much pain that has to be endured. This quote is right in TALKS. The other great question and answer in TALKS was by U.G. and Ramana. Q: Can someone be free sometimes and not free other times? (paraphrase) Ramana: You're either free or your not free at all. (paraphase I think. Sure there are many on the Net that have that MINDSET that they GOT IT. As I see it those MINDSET beings have not quelled attachments to mental tendencies and therefore are not fully free. Sorry If I dont respond and we are taking a 6000 miles trip soon. Different strokes. Metta, Alton aka KK From J.I Krishnamurti's Notbook. All the posts for all those months are now on millionpaths. MillionPaths/ FOREWORD BY MARY LUTYENS In June 1961 Krishnamurti began to keep a daily record of his perceptions and states of consciousness. Apart from about fourteen days he kept up this record for seven months. He wrote clearly, in pencil, and with virtually no erasures. The first seventy-seven pages of the manuscript are written in a small notebook; from then until the end (p. 323 of the manuscript) a larger, loose-leaf book was used. The record starts abruptly and ends abruptly. Krishnamurti himself cannot say what prompted him to begin it. He had never kept such a record before, nor has he kept one since. The manuscript has received the minimum amount of editing. Krishnamurti's spelling has been corrected; a few punctuation marks have been put in for the sake of clarity; some abbreviations, such as the ampersand he invariably used, have been spelt out in full; some footnotes and a few interpolations in square brackets have been added. In all other respects the manuscript is presented here as it was written. A word is needed to explain one of the terms used in it - " the process " . In 1922, at the age of twenty-eight, Krishnamurti underwent a spiritual experience that changed his life and which was followed by years of acute and almost continuous pain in his head and spine. The manuscript shows that " the process " , as he called this mysterious pain, was still going on nearly forty years later, though in a much milder form. " The process " was a physical phenomenon, not to be confused with the state of consciousness that Krishnamurti variously refers to in the notebooks as the " benediction " , the " otherness " , " immensity " . At no time did he take any- pain- killing drugs for " the process " . He has never taken alcohol or any kind of drug. He has never smoked, and for the last thirty years or so he has not so much as drunk tea or coffee. Although a lifelong vegetarian, he has always been at great pains to ensure a plentiful and well-balanced diet. Asceticism is, to his way of thinking, as destructive of a religious life as overindulgence. Indeed he looks after " the body " (he has always differentiated between the body and the ego) as a cavalry officer would have looked after his horse. He has never suffered from epilepsy or any of the other physical conditions that are said to give rise to visions and other spiritual phenomena; nor does he practise any " system " of meditation. All this is stated so that no reader should imagine that Krishnamurti's states of consciousness are, or ever have been, induced by drugs or fasting. In this unique daily record we have what may be called the well- spring of Krishnamurti's teaching. The whole essence of his teaching is here, arising from its natural source. Just as he himself writes in these pages that " every time there is something `new' in this benediction, a 'new' quality, a `new' perfume, but yet it is changeless " , so the teaching that springs from it is never quite the same although often repeated. In the same way, the trees, mountains, rivers, clouds, sunlight, birds and flowers that he describes over and over again are forever " new " because they are seen each time with eyes that have never become accustomed to them; each day they are a totally fresh perception for him, and so they become for us. On June 18th, 1961, the day Krishnamurti started writing this record, he was in New York staying with friends in West 87th Street. He had flown to New York on June 14th from London where he had spent some six weeks and given twelve talks. Before going to London he had been in Rome and Florence, and, before that, for the first three months of the year, in India, speaking in New Delhi and Bombay. M.L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 How is being aware like going around the block? Being aware is just noticing what already is. You're not chasing anything when you're aware. Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch. > > And round and round they go! > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 > > > How is being aware like going around the > block? > > Being aware is just noticing what already > is. > > You're not chasing anything when you're > aware. > ********** Because there's still an " I " there, Rob, albeit a subtle one, whereas understanding up-ends, exposes all of that nonsense (high or low, subtle or mundane), for what it is - separateness. In other words, there's nothing really quite as obnoxious than a yogi who is just being *aware* and *noticing* everything. :-) Sheesh! The games that people play! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Good job Judi. Now I love you again. LOLOLOL. KK Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > How is being aware like going around the > > block? > > > > Being aware is just noticing what already > > is. > > > > You're not chasing anything when you're > > aware. > > > > ********** > Because there's still an " I " there, Rob, albeit a subtle one, whereas > understanding up-ends, exposes > all of that nonsense (high or low, subtle or mundane), for what it is - > separateness. > In other words, there's nothing really quite as obnoxious than a yogi who is > just being *aware* and *noticing* > everything. :-) Sheesh! The games that people play! > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Realization , " Komo Kasha " <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > > Good job Judi. Now I love you again. LOLOLOL. > KK ********* Well I'm not saying anything that, in our hearts, we don't *already* know! Judi > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is being aware like going around the > > > block? > > > > > > Being aware is just noticing what already > > > is. > > > > > > You're not chasing anything when you're > > > aware. > > > > > > > ********** > > Because there's still an " I " there, Rob, albeit a subtle one, > whereas > > understanding up-ends, exposes > > all of that nonsense (high or low, subtle or mundane), for what > it is - > > separateness. > > In other words, there's nothing really quite as obnoxious than a > yogi who is > > just being *aware* and *noticing* > > everything. :-) Sheesh! The games that people play! > > > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Realization , tyrone martin <arunachala_1008> wrote: > m, good thought. ... i dont know how to respond cuz i dont need to. take care devi. > ********** No response necessary, only understanding. Understanding will take care of everything, automatically. Iow, the snake ends up swallowing itself. Judi > judirhodes <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > Realization , tyrone martin > <arunachala_1008> wrote: > > lol yaaa ma. i search after this nirvana like its a lost treasure > 20 miles from here just trying to meditate and chant until all my > latent tendencies of the mind (vasanas) are destroyed but awareness > and love , sat chit ananda is right here, or the moment before. so > what am i doing? where am i going? ...just cutting down the the weeds > in the jungle of my mind to make my path clear, but then...what > path ...? ah im just as confused as i was when i started this thing, > just a lil bit more relaxed now. Namaste > > tyrone > > ************ > Yep, like a dog on a freeway, relaxing in those quiet moments between > the speeding cars. :-) > > Judi > > > > > > > > Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > tyrone martin > > Realization > > Saturday, December 25, 2004 3:46 PM > > Re: Enlightenment Clearly Explained > > > > > > ya too many words > > > > ********** > > Yup.... > > > > It comes down to a matter of intelligence, of need. Of seeing thru > your own game so that it all falls apart. I guess it just comes down > to going around the block so many times until a person says to > themselves, now wait just a darn minute here, what am I doing? > > > > So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll > be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch. > > > > And round and round they go! > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > Nope, not EVEN close! > > > > Guess again! :-) > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an article about awareness that seems > > > pretty interesting to me: > > > > > > Enlightenment Clearly Explained > > > By Sufi George > > > > > > The experience of enlightenment is simple to state. It is the > > > experience of awareness only, awareness that is aware of nothing > at > > > all except the existence of awareness itself. > > > > > > During the experience of awareness, the thought-processing mind > is > > > empty, body awareness is lost, there is no feeling, all reality > > > disappears. There is nothing in the imagination, there is nothing > > > anywhere. It is an experience of nothing, of the void. > > > > > > The key understanding that results from this experience of pure > > > nothing is that one is still alive even when everything is gone. > One > > > realizes that one's existence does not depend on anything except > > > awareness itself. One realizes that awareness is the primal > reality, > > > the permanent core of ourselves. > > > > > > The enlightenment experience makes many things immediately clear. > It > > > is clear that one's existence does not depend on anything except > > > awareness. This brings complete relief and liberation. It is > clear > > > that life is awareness, and not what awareness experiences. > > > > > > So the body, the mind, the physical universe as well as dream > > > universes, feelings, knowledge, are all non-essential to being > > > alive. Fear and guilt vanish because awareness is beyond harm and > > > experience is not part of one's being. > > > > > > It is clear that all experience comes from outside of oneself, > that > > > experience merely flows through awareness, and that one is not > > > responsible for the helpless act of experiencing one's > experience. > > > > > > In short, this state of freedom solves every problem by > eliminating > > > it, and provides a completely unburdened peace. This is so > > > attractive, so magnetic, that it cannot be actually forgotten, > only > > > displaced by the usual contents and concerns of life. > > > > > > Before the enlightenment experience, one has no idea of life > without > > > content. Rather, one's awareness is flooded with content, with > all > > > of its concerns and hang-ups. > > > > > > It should be noted that, after the initial impact of the > > > enlightenment experience wears off, it can be set aside and one > can > > > easily slip back into one's old lifestyle patterns. > > > > > > Yet, after the enlightenment experience, one has a yearning for > the > > > remembered peace and freedom of the void. This yearning gradually > > > influences one to decrease the amount of experience in awareness > so > > > that there is room in awareness for void. This becomes a > balancing > > > act between being aware of void and being aware of experience. > The > > > less experience one is aware of, the more void one is aware of, > and > > > the more free and peaceful life becomes. > > > > > > With too much void and too little experience, however, one > becomes > > > an idiot, and so there is the need for learning to balance > between > > > void and experience. > > > > > > With enough void in the balance, there is nothing in life that > can > > > consume one. Life is fluid and changeable. Life becomes more like > a > > > movie than a trap. More accurately, life becomes a group dream. > > > > > > Yearning for the void influences in the direction of keeping > > > awareness empty of experience. Balancing involves deliberate > efforts > > > to remember specific things out of practical necessity. The more > > > experiential content there is in awareness, the less room there > is > > > for the void. The more void there is in awareness, the less > > > experience there is, and the less important or consequential > > > experience becomes. > > > > > > -- Reprinted from > > > http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/enlightenment.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > > > > > Email addresses: > > > Post message: Realization > > > Un: Realization- > > > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > > > > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > > > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > > > http://www.realization.org > > > ................................................ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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