Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Dear Bhikkhu Samahita, Here is a question my teacher asked me... " Why can't we find anywhere in the Buddha's teachings where he denies or affirms this one Creator God? " The only answer that I could give was this: When the Buddha was asked how the world started, he kept silent. In the religion of Buddhism we don't have a first cause, instead we have a never ending circle of birth and death. In this world and in all worlds, there are many beginnings and ends. The model of life used in Buddhism has no starting place...no God. It just keeps going and going. I ask dear Bhikkhu, what answer would you give? I gently ask for help in the answering of this question.. It is plagueing my brain.. I do understand that there is no reason for Buddha to talk of God.. The Buddha did not encourage speculation on the existence of Iswara, (God) among his disciples. He wanted them to confine themselves to what was within their field of awareness, that is, to understand the causes of suffering and work for its mitigation. My thanks. May all beings have peace. ___________________ _________ 1: The World expands & contracts. The 'first' beginning of this process is NOT perceivable by any even divine being. Speculation about this ultimate beginning does not lead to the End of Suffering and is thus irrelevant by two reasons: The impossibility of truly INFINITE regress into the past & the non-utility of whatever speculative answer one might imagine when direct observation is impossible... 2: The Creation or Emergence of the World is not by a GOD, but described in some detail by the Buddha in the Digha Nikaya 27: Aggana Sutta; On Knowledge of the Beginnings: http://www.pariyatti.com/book.cgi?prod_id=%1033 Which is recommendable study also on this specific subject of genesis! : - ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Hi Alton, > " Why can't we find anywhere in the > Buddha's teachings where he denies or > affirms this one Creator God? " It seems to me that there are plenty of places in the Buddha's teachings where he denies the Creator God. For example, Buddha's doctrine of independent origination (his main metaphysical theory) rules out the possibility of a Creator God. In the Kevatta Sutta, Buddha makes fun of Brahma (his name for the supreme God) and depicts him as a fraud. Nobody who believes in God would portray God in that way. Regards, Rob Realization , " Komo Kasha " <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > Dear Bhikkhu Samahita, > > Here is a question my teacher asked me... > > " Why can't we find anywhere in the Buddha's teachings > where he denies or affirms this one Creator God? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 P.S. Oops, typo alert. Should have been dependent origination, not independent origination. Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > > ... > > It seems to me that there are plenty of > places in the Buddha's teachings where he > denies the Creator God... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Dear Rob: That is why I bond with you. You know a lot more than me about almost everything, except maybe diet and health. Thanx. KK Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > > Hi Alton, > > > " Why can't we find anywhere in the > > Buddha's teachings where he denies or > > affirms this one Creator God? " > > It seems to me that there are plenty of > places in the Buddha's teachings where he > denies the Creator God. For example, > Buddha's doctrine of independent origination > (his main metaphysical theory) rules out > the possibility of a Creator God. > > In the Kevatta Sutta, Buddha makes fun of > Brahma (his name for the supreme God) and > depicts him as a fraud. Nobody who > believes in God would portray God in that > way. > > Regards, > > Rob > > Realization , " Komo Kasha " > <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhikkhu Samahita, > > > > Here is a question my teacher asked me... > > > > " Why can't we find anywhere in the Buddha's teachings > > where he denies or affirms this one Creator God? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Realization , " Komo Kasha " <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > Dear Bhikkhu Samahita, > > Here is a question my teacher asked me... > > " Why can't we find anywhere in the Buddha's teachings > where he denies or affirms this one Creator God? " I don't claim to know much about Buddhism, but I know a lil about god. LOL Some people call the ultimate reality, or pure awareness, or whatever, god, but more people refer to something else as a god. Prayer is awesome. I love it...my ego gets alot outta it.(would if it took the time anyway. LOL) I opening my crown chakra and third eye when I was entering puberty... I remember contemplating the joy and bliss of being at one with the christian god...well, my image of it anyway. A year or two later, I left that religion, as my reality shattered into shards... I believe that's how I would have described it...painful. Anyway, even after I dismissed the idea of a god, I experienced god...and I believe that some people who have " found god " go through this...as it's literally what happens. For me, I was on an acid trip. I traditionally had my notebook with me, to see what I could learn. Always took me a year afterwards to figure it out...but that's okay. I met Brahman...at least that's the name I got...no, I don't remember what it means or anything...though I know it has something to do with a god. Anyway, there were a few things I noticed about this god. He was god, but he wasn't everyone's god...at least, he wasn't the part of this god that everyone else had. Confusing, I know, but I'll get to it. The more important thing I noticed was how pleased/proud/accepting/loving he was of me. Unreal really. It didn't matter what I did, or who I became...it was like this being could see the light in me, no matter what. Unconditional love. Shocked me...still have that notebook somewhere. Anyway, later on, I figured it out. I became this brahman...not for long periods of time, but I did....that's all it took anyway. I realized that when people in most religions pray, they are praying to their higher self, holy guardian angel, super ego, whatever you wanna call it. It's like your soul is a seperate thing from your ego. LOL Imagine that! LOL Anyway, it's then I understood that though this was a single soul, it was only a drop in the ocean of a vast ocean of god...so to speak. :> Funny, one day you're on your knees praying to your god, the god who is always there for you, and the next, you come to realize yourself as that god...very confusing. People become their most beautiful when they are talking to their god...the act of being saved is to be a surrendering of yourself to yourself...kinda like that star of david symbol... Lower nature reaches for higher nature, and higher reaches to lower. Am I rambling again? Jeremy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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