Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > if being liberated means that i am not aware of my external > > > surrounding, then no i am not liberated... > > > > > > also, i still dream....so then again no.... > > > > > > .see below... > > > > > > > > > > > > In sahaja samadhi the activities, vital and mental, and the > three > > > states are destroyed, never to re-appear. However others notice > the > > > jnani active, e.g. eating, talking, moving, etc. He is not > himself > > > aware of these activities, whereas others are aware of his > > > activities. They pertain to his body and not to his Real Self, > > > swarupa. For himself, he is like the sleeping passenger --or > like a > > > child interrupted from sound sleep and fed, being unaware of it. > The > > > child says the next day that he did not take milk at all and > that he > > > went to sleep without it. Even when reminded he cannot be > convinced. > > > So also is sahaja samadhi. " > > > > > > 4. What is the state beyond bliss? > > > It is the state of unceasing peace of mind which is found in the > > > state of absolute quiescence, jagrat-sushupti (lit. sleep with > > > awareness) which resembles inactive deep sleep. In this state, > in > > > spite of the activity of the body and the senses, there is no > > > external awareness, like a child immersed in sleep* (who is not > > > conscious of the food given to him by his mother). A yogi who is > in > > > this state is inactive even while engaged in activity. This is > also > > > called sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi (natural state of absorption in > > > oneself without concepts). > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > If you learn to meditate you can become mindless or whatever, if > > that's what you want. It can also be done through hypnosis or > sensory > > deprivation. LSD and other chemicals can also induce mindlessness > and > > altered states. I used to be able to meditate and my body would > > disappear and I would be like clear, transparent awareness. But, > that > > isn't where it's at. Yogis and sadhus and what not can train their > > bodies to do all kinds of bizarre phenomena. So, what? You can > analyze > > all of this stuff and categorize it and divide it up into different > > " stages " or " levels " , etc., as many " stages " as you like. Why stop > at > > seven stages? It can be divided up ad infinitum. All of this is > > distraction. It does not lead to liberation or moksha or > realization. > > The only way to do that is to understand the self. The self is > being > > itself. It is pure awareness, nothing else. It always is and > cannot be > > lost or found. Once you realize it, there's no need to do anymore > > sadhana or " spiritual " exercises or anything. > > > > > fuzzie > > devi: you seem to be thinking that Self-realization and Liberation > are the same.... > they are not.... > i was not asking for a lecture either.. > i was asking what you thought were the differences between self- > realization and liberation... > and i was hoping that you could clear up my (puzzlement) about the > gnani (liberated one) who is unaware of the external world and has > lost the activities, vital and mental, and the three states which > are destroyed, never to re-appear even while appearing to be active > to the onlooker? > > if you don't know the answer just say so.... OK, Devianandi. Don't get all huffy and puffy. I'm sorry. I was trying to talk, that's all. You say self-realization is not liberation. In order for you to make that distinction, you must be liberated. So, since you are liberated, tell me what is the difference between self-realization and liberation? I eagerly await your response. Thank you for your patience. Yours, fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and all > > that. Find you. Be you. > > Yes, that is the essential teaching of Ramana! > > Love to all > Harsha Nope. Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > if being liberated means that i am not aware of my external > > > surrounding, then no i am not liberated... > > > > > > also, i still dream....so then again no.... > > > > > > .see below... > > > > > > > > > > > > In sahaja samadhi the activities, vital and mental, and the > three > > > states are destroyed, never to re-appear. However others notice > the > > > jnani active, e.g. eating, talking, moving, etc. He is not > himself > > > aware of these activities, whereas others are aware of his > > > activities. They pertain to his body and not to his Real Self, > > > swarupa. For himself, he is like the sleeping passenger --or > like a > > > child interrupted from sound sleep and fed, being unaware of it. > The > > > child says the next day that he did not take milk at all and > that he > > > went to sleep without it. Even when reminded he cannot be > convinced. > > > So also is sahaja samadhi. " > > > > > > 4. What is the state beyond bliss? > > > It is the state of unceasing peace of mind which is found in the > > > state of absolute quiescence, jagrat-sushupti (lit. sleep with > > > awareness) which resembles inactive deep sleep. In this state, > in > > > spite of the activity of the body and the senses, there is no > > > external awareness, like a child immersed in sleep* (who is not > > > conscious of the food given to him by his mother). A yogi who is > in > > > this state is inactive even while engaged in activity. This is > also > > > called sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi (natural state of absorption in > > > oneself without concepts). > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > If you learn to meditate you can become mindless or whatever, if > > that's what you want. It can also be done through hypnosis or > sensory > > deprivation. LSD and other chemicals can also induce mindlessness > and > > altered states. I used to be able to meditate and my body would > > disappear and I would be like clear, transparent awareness. But, > that > > isn't where it's at. Yogis and sadhus and what not can train their > > bodies to do all kinds of bizarre phenomena. So, what? You can > analyze > > all of this stuff and categorize it and divide it up into different > > " stages " or " levels " , etc., as many " stages " as you like. Why stop > at > > seven stages? It can be divided up ad infinitum. All of this is > > distraction. It does not lead to liberation or moksha or > realization. > > The only way to do that is to understand the self. The self is > being > > itself. It is pure awareness, nothing else. It always is and > cannot be > > lost or found. Once you realize it, there's no need to do anymore > > sadhana or " spiritual " exercises or anything. > > > > > fuzzie > > devi: you seem to be thinking that Self-realization and Liberation > are the same.... > they are not.... > i was not asking for a lecture either.. > i was asking what you thought were the differences between self- > realization and liberation... > and i was hoping that you could clear up my (puzzlement) about the > gnani (liberated one) who is unaware of the external world and has > lost the activities, vital and mental, and the three states which > are destroyed, never to re-appear even while appearing to be active > to the onlooker? > > if you don't know the answer just say so.... There is no difference between things that do not exist. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Thanks Harsha, What Is -- Is the essential truth ? Who Am I - Is the most essential question ? Where Am i - Is the essential search ... Regards, murali. Nisargadatta [Nisargadatta ]On Behalf Of Harsha Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:27 AM Nisargadatta ; Re: Re: A Prayer to Mahalakshmi fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > Dear Devianandi: > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and all > that. Find you. Be you. Yes, that is the essential teaching of Ramana! Love to all Harsha ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > Thanks Harsha, > > What Is -- Is the essential truth ? > Who Am I - Is the most essential question ? > Where Am i - Is the essential search ... > > Regards, > murali. > Only for the searcher. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and all > > > that. Find you. Be you. > > > > Yes, that is the essential teaching of Ramana! > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > Nope. > > > Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " > > He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > toombaru ************** Yes indeed. The great mis-understanding. All these fools running around trying to find themselves or be themselves, like they're somehow " God " or something " Wonderful " , but do they ever once stop to look into what they're doing, who they *are*, what that sickness, that self-ishness is in the first place. Noooooo. Anything but THAT! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 > > > > devi: you seem to be thinking that Self-realization and Liberation are the same.... they are not.... i was not asking for a lecture either.. i was asking what you thought were the differences between self- realization and liberation... and i was hoping that you could clear up my (puzzlement) about the gnani (liberated one) who is unaware of the external world and has lost the activities, vital and mental, and the three states which are destroyed, never to re-appear even while appearing to be active to the onlooker? if you don't know the answer just say so.... fuzzy: OK, Devianandi. Don't get all huffy and puffy. I'm sorry. I was trying to talk, that's all. You say self-realization is not liberation. In order for you to make that distinction, you must be liberated. So, since you are liberated,tell me what is the difference between self-realization and liberation? I eagerly await your response. Thank you for your patience. Yours, fuzzie devi: i was sincerely asking if you knew the difference between self- realization and liberation...since you say you are liberated.. i don't know if i'm liberated or not...i do know i'm self-realized.. are you aware of your bodily activites? do you dream and have deep sleep experience...then according to ramana maharshi your not liberated... meher baba says that there is an experience when one sees the Self and the person thinks that's self-realization..but thats actually called the abode of delusion and that happens frequently....the person has to go deeper... i'm just checking you out, you seem to be open to that... oh, i just remembered something...in liberation there are no vasanas...in self-realiztion there are still vasanas but they don't inhibit self-realization.. thanks for chatting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 > > Nope. > > > Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " > > He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > toombaru devi: he encouraged one of his disciples to go from kevela samadhi to sahaj samadhi...both implying the realizing of the Self... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " > > > > He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > > > toombaru > > devi: he encouraged one of his disciples to go from kevela samadhi to > sahaj samadhi...both implying the realizing of the Self... Now you are speculating on what Ramana was implying.... When Nisargadatta was asked a question about all those convoluted sanskrit mumbp jumbo....he would claim that he was an ignorant man that could hardly read and refer them to one of the " scholars " in the room. You are searching for meaning ...where there is none. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 toom: Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . devi: he encouraged one of his disciples to go from kevela samadhi to sahaj samadhi...both implying the realizing of the Self... toom..Now you are speculating on what Ramana was implying.... devi: i am not speculating....where do you see speculation? this is speculation------>your not self-realized toomy: When Nisargadatta was asked a question about all those convoluted sanskrit mumbp jumbo....he would claim that he was an ignorant man that could hardly read and refer them to one of the " scholars " in the room. You are searching for meaning ...where there is none. devi: now your specualting about me...i'll tell you..i am so glad that i met nizargadatta after the fact because for me he would have been no use.....now he is useful....but again, thats after the fact.. i was a born yogi...it is natural for me....so don't make fun... searching for meaning...all is meaningless until you give it your own meaning...don't make up stories about me in your head...thats not reality.... :-) devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > toom: Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " He never encouraged > anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > devi: he encouraged one of his disciples to go from kevela samadhi > to sahaj samadhi...both implying the realizing of the Self... > > toom..Now you are speculating on what Ramana was implying.... > devi: i am not speculating....where do you see speculation? > this is speculation------>your not self-realized > > > toomy: When Nisargadatta was asked a question about all those > convoluted sanskrit mumbp jumbo....he would claim that he was an > ignorant man that could hardly read and refer them to one of > the " scholars " in the room. You are searching for meaning ...where > there is none. > > devi: now your specualting about me...i'll tell you..i am so glad > that i met nizargadatta after the fact because for me he would have > been no use.....now he is useful....but again, thats after the fact.. > > i was a born yogi...it is natural for me....so don't make fun... > > searching for meaning...all is meaningless until you give it your > own meaning...don't make up stories about me in your head...thats > not reality.... > > :-) devi A real yogi...wouldn't care of someone made fun of them. Strrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiike Three. You're out! toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > toom: Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " He never encouraged > > anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > > > devi: he encouraged one of his disciples to go from kevela samadhi > > to sahaj samadhi...both implying the realizing of the Self... > > > > toom..Now you are speculating on what Ramana was implying.... > > devi: i am not speculating....where do you see speculation? > > this is speculation------>your not self-realized > > > > > > toomy: When Nisargadatta was asked a question about all those > > convoluted sanskrit mumbp jumbo....he would claim that he was an > > ignorant man that could hardly read and refer them to one of > > the " scholars " in the room. You are searching for meaning ...where > > there is none. > > > > devi: now your specualting about me...i'll tell you..i am so glad > > that i met nizargadatta after the fact because for me he would have > > been no use.....now he is useful....but again, thats after the fact.. > > > > i was a born yogi...it is natural for me....so don't make fun... > > > > searching for meaning...all is meaningless until you give it your > > own meaning...don't make up stories about me in your head...thats > > not reality.... > > > > :-) devi > > > > A real yogi...wouldn't care of someone made fun of them. > > > Strrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiike Three. > > > You're out! > > > > toombaru devi: my guru seems to care in certain instances and you don't get more yogi then he... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > > > > > toom: Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " He never > encouraged > > > anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > > > > > devi: he encouraged one of his disciples to go from kevela > samadhi > > > to sahaj samadhi...both implying the realizing of the Self... > > > > > > toom..Now you are speculating on what Ramana was implying.... > > > devi: i am not speculating....where do you see speculation? > > > this is speculation------>your not self-realized > > > > > > > > > toomy: When Nisargadatta was asked a question about all those > > > convoluted sanskrit mumbp jumbo....he would claim that he was an > > > ignorant man that could hardly read and refer them to one of > > > the " scholars " in the room. You are searching for > meaning ...where > > > there is none. > > > > > > devi: now your specualting about me...i'll tell you..i am so > glad > > > that i met nizargadatta after the fact because for me he would > have > > > been no use.....now he is useful....but again, thats after the > fact.. > > > > > > i was a born yogi...it is natural for me....so don't make fun... > > > > > > searching for meaning...all is meaningless until you give it > your > > > own meaning...don't make up stories about me in your > head...thats > > > not reality.... > > > > > > :-) devi > > > > > > > > A real yogi...wouldn't care of someone made fun of them. > > > > > > Strrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiike Three. > > > > > > You're out! > > > > > > > > toombaru > > devi: my guru seems to care in certain instances and you don't get > more yogi then he... If he (or she) is harmed by another's words........you might consider trading up. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > devi: you seem to be thinking that Self-realization and > Liberation are the same.... they are not.... > i was not asking for a lecture either.. > i was asking what you thought were the differences between self- > realization and liberation... > and i was hoping that you could clear up my (puzzlement) about the > gnani (liberated one) who is unaware of the external world and has > lost the activities, vital and mental, and the three states which > are destroyed, never to re-appear even while appearing to be active > to the onlooker? if you don't know the answer just say so.... > > fuzzy: OK, Devianandi. Don't get all huffy and puffy. I'm sorry. I > was trying to talk, that's all. You say self-realization is not > liberation. In order for you to make that distinction, you must be > liberated. So, since you are liberated,tell me what is the > difference between self-realization and liberation? > I eagerly await your response. > > Thank you for your patience. > > Yours, > > fuzzie > > devi: i was sincerely asking if you knew the difference between self- > realization and liberation...since you say you are liberated.. > > i don't know if i'm liberated or not...i do know i'm self-realized.. > > are you aware of your bodily activites? do you dream and have deep > sleep experience...then according to ramana maharshi your not > liberated... > > meher baba says that there is an experience when one sees the Self > and the person thinks that's self-realization..but thats actually > called the abode of delusion and that happens frequently....the > person has to go deeper... > > i'm just checking you out, you seem to be open to that... > > oh, i just remembered something...in liberation there are no > vasanas...in self-realiztion there are still vasanas but they don't > inhibit self-realization.. > > thanks for chatting Hi, Devianandi: I think your questions are for the meher and ramana, and, not for me. You should go ask them. There is no difference between self and liberation. Find the self and you're done. Find the self and there is nothing left to be liberated. All natural, conditional body/mind patterns continue (sleeping, dreaming, waking, eating, excreting, etc.). Nothing changes. Except that there is no more seeking. One is self-contained. That is, non-dual. What you seem to be questioning are the various altered states due to intensive meditation. I'm not into that. As I mentioned before, these states can be reached through any number of various methods (hypnosis, drugs, chanting, meditation, fasting, etc.). If that's your goal, then, seek those things out. You may want to check into siddha yoga. Have a good one. Yours, fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > > > > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and > all > > > > that. Find you. Be you. > > > > > > Yes, that is the essential teaching of Ramana! > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " > > > > He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > > > toombaru > > > ************** > Yes indeed. The great mis-understanding. All these fools running > around trying to find themselves or be themselves, like they're > somehow " God " or something " Wonderful " , but do they ever once stop to > look into what they're doing, who they *are*, what that sickness, > that self-ishness is in the first place. Noooooo. Anything but THAT! > > Judi sam: wait, judi now you've just dang well gone and confused me, admittedly that isn't a big leap =) Now you're not thrilled with people trying to find themselves or be themselves however just the other day you said that it was doubtful if people could even get into the nature of who there self really is because that was really where it was at (or however the heck you phrased it.) This sounds highly contradictory. Now you suggest they should stop and **look into** what they're doing, who they *are*, what that sickness is, etc. I do recall however that when you frequently troll for new members on a Ranch membership drive one of the prerequisites is that they can't be interested in psycologically trying for improvement etc., etc. which happens to be a part of this " looking into " what they're donig, who they *are* what that sickness is and why, etc. This too sounds highly contradictory to your above message. Do you just like to fight against advaidta board posters or do you like to fight against western christian religion, moslems et.al? Or, do you just like to fight? oh happy days indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and all > > > that. Find you. Be you. > > > > Yes, that is the essential teaching of Ramana! > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > Nope. > > > Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " > > He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > toombaru Sri Ramana never encouraged people to do ANYTHING! It was just that people wouldn't leave him alone, just to get some peace he " invented " his Koan Of course he knew,that " Who am I? " is an absolutely meaningless question Only,Ramana was smarter than most.............. Vibes, Flemming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > > > > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and > all > > > > that. Find you. Be you. > > > > > > Yes, that is the essential teaching of Ramana! > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " > > > > He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > > > toombaru > > Sri Ramana never encouraged people to do ANYTHING! > It was just that people wouldn't leave him alone, > just to get some peace he " invented " his Koan > Of course he knew,that " Who am I? " is an absolutely > meaningless question > Only,Ramana was smarter than most.............. > Vibes, > Flemming Actually Ramana was only another little meat monkey....through whom what is sparkled. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > > fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devianandi: > > > > > > > > Forget about Ramana and Nisargadatta and yogis and swamis and > all > > > > that. Find you. Be you. > > > > > > Yes, that is the essential teaching of Ramana! > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > Ramana encouraged people to ask " Who am I " > > > > He never encouraged anyone to " find themselves " or " be themelves " . > > > > toombaru > > Sri Ramana never encouraged people to do ANYTHING! > It was just that people wouldn't leave him alone, > just to get some peace he " invented " his Koan > Of course he knew,that " Who am I? " is an absolutely > meaningless question > Only,Ramana was smarter than most.............. > Vibes, > Flemming Hey, Yogidahl: How ya doing? I tell you the truth, I don't think Ramana ever even existed. I think he's a myth. Everybody's got their own idea of who he was. Which one's real? Who knows? Who am Ramana? Who am you? Who am anybody? Yours, fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 > > Hey, Yogidahl: > > How ya doing? > > I tell you the truth, I don't think Ramana ever even existed. I think > he's a myth. Everybody's got their own idea of who he was. Which one's > real? Who knows? Who am Ramana? Who am you? Who am anybody? > > > > Yours, > > fuzzie Hey Fuzzie! HaHa,well,yes,it may be that Sri Ramana has never existed! Anyway,his ashram in Tiruvannamalai does exist (I've been there myself),with its stone-hard meditation floor and great noisy proud peacocks just a few steps away - and that's Good Enough!! But,then,Jesus Christ,perhaps he too never existed?? Well,at least the POPE does exist! -- It's hardly Good Enough................. Hope You're Doing Fine! Vibes, Flemming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > > Hey, Yogidahl: > > > > How ya doing? > > > > I tell you the truth, I don't think Ramana ever even existed. I think > > he's a myth. Everybody's got their own idea of who he was. Which one's > > real? Who knows? Who am Ramana? Who am you? Who am anybody? > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > Hey Fuzzie! > HaHa,well,yes,it may be that Sri Ramana has never existed! > Anyway,his ashram in Tiruvannamalai does exist (I've been there > myself),with its stone-hard meditation floor and great noisy > proud peacocks just a few steps away > - and that's Good Enough!! > > But,then,Jesus Christ,perhaps he too never existed?? > Well,at least the POPE does exist! > -- It's hardly Good Enough................. > Hope You're Doing Fine! > Vibes, > Flemming That body was not Ramana. He told everyone that. Nobody got it. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " > <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey, Yogidahl: > > > > > > How ya doing? > > > > > > I tell you the truth, I don't think Ramana ever even existed. I think > > > he's a myth. Everybody's got their own idea of who he was. Which one's > > > real? Who knows? Who am Ramana? Who am you? Who am anybody? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > Hey Fuzzie! > > HaHa,well,yes,it may be that Sri Ramana has never existed! > > Anyway,his ashram in Tiruvannamalai does exist (I've been there > > myself),with its stone-hard meditation floor and great noisy > > proud peacocks just a few steps away > > - and that's Good Enough!! > > > > But,then,Jesus Christ,perhaps he too never existed?? > > Well,at least the POPE does exist! > > -- It's hardly Good Enough................. > > Hope You're Doing Fine! > > Vibes, > > Flemming > > > That body was not Ramana. He told everyone that. Nobody got it. > > fuzzie devi: what did nobody do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > > > > > That body was not Ramana. He told everyone that. Nobody got it. > > > > fuzzie > > devi: what did nobody do with it? Glad to see that Nobody finally appeared on a different forum. Nobody was bored when s/he appeared on another list. Nobody is either highly over, or under valued, depending on one's POV. Everyone argues about Nobody, and Nobody says nothing at all. And the great thing is that Nobody really cares what anyone says. Nobody, Nobody, s/he's my wo/man If Nobody doesn't get it, Nobody can. Durga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " > > <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Yogidahl: > > > > > > > > How ya doing? > > > > > > > > I tell you the truth, I don't think Ramana ever even existed. > I think > > > > he's a myth. Everybody's got their own idea of who he was. > Which one's > > > > real? Who knows? Who am Ramana? Who am you? Who am anybody? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > Hey Fuzzie! > > > HaHa,well,yes,it may be that Sri Ramana has never existed! > > > Anyway,his ashram in Tiruvannamalai does exist (I've been there > > > myself),with its stone-hard meditation floor and great noisy > > > proud peacocks just a few steps away > > > - and that's Good Enough!! > > > > > > But,then,Jesus Christ,perhaps he too never existed?? > > > Well,at least the POPE does exist! > > > -- It's hardly Good Enough................. > > > Hope You're Doing Fine! > > > Vibes, > > > Flemming > > > > > > That body was not Ramana. He told everyone that. Nobody got it. > > > > fuzzie > > devi: what did nobody do with it? Nobody knows. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Durga " <durgaji108> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > > > > > > > > That body was not Ramana. He told everyone that. Nobody got it. > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > devi: what did nobody do with it? > > Glad to see that Nobody finally appeared on a different forum. > > Nobody was bored when s/he appeared on another list. > > Nobody is either highly over, or under valued, depending on one's > POV. Everyone argues about Nobody, and Nobody says nothing at all. > And the great thing is that Nobody really cares what anyone says. > > Nobody, Nobody, s/he's my wo/man > If Nobody doesn't get it, > Nobody can. > > Durga What's up, Durga? How ya doing? What can I say? Nobody can say anything. I surrender. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " > > > <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Yogidahl: > > > > > > > > > > How ya doing? > > > > > > > > > > I tell you the truth, I don't think Ramana ever even existed. > > I think > > > > > he's a myth. Everybody's got their own idea of who he was. > > Which one's > > > > > real? Who knows? Who am Ramana? Who am you? Who am anybody? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > Hey Fuzzie! > > > > HaHa,well,yes,it may be that Sri Ramana has never existed! > > > > Anyway,his ashram in Tiruvannamalai does exist (I've been there > > > > myself),with its stone-hard meditation floor and great noisy > > > > proud peacocks just a few steps away > > > > - and that's Good Enough!! > > > > > > > > But,then,Jesus Christ,perhaps he too never existed?? > > > > Well,at least the POPE does exist! > > > > -- It's hardly Good Enough................. > > > > Hope You're Doing Fine! > > > > Vibes, > > > > Flemming > > > > > > > > > That body was not Ramana. He told everyone that. Nobody got it. > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > devi: what did nobody do with it? > > Nobody knows. > > fuzzie devi: nobody doesn't know that he doesn't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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